Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

flameinthesun said:
I don't necessarily think he is a dead man walking. This is not a bottom half squad, so good coaching will have us finishing in the top half which is about right (or lower) for expectations when he was brought in. If we do finish say 15th and he gets sacked I think he would have to take some of the blame.
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Team has no goals in it and was just made worse in the summer and Jan. They aren't really giving him a platform to do anything
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
That's like going over to where the girl you fancy lives, taking a huge dump on her lawn, and thinking you're sending a message that she should spend time with you.
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Could be this as well.
groovyalbert said:
I think it's more a case of whoever scored most recently gets a go at being striker. When I used to play youth football for a team that routinely lost by 5 goals or more we would do something similar.
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Widow said:
I feel for RA, he walked into a shit show with a bang avarage squad and it's looks to have got worse. Rashford and Antonys may not have contributed much but we are an injury away from an even bigger mess!

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I am very much reading between the lines here but the number of loans out and only one 1st teamer coming in suggests that Amorim has been given the rest of this season as a free pass.

We really need to adapt our expectations for this year and I am the first one that advice applies to. I get that we're in a rebuild but yet I still feel gutted when we play SO badly that there isn't even any hope.

I, and, us need to accept that this will take time.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Team has no goals in it and was just made worse in the summer and Jan. They aren't really giving him a platform to do anything
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Last season's squad which I think was worse than this one especially with all the injuries finished 8th, with a potentially worse manager according to some. We made decent additions in the summer (the majority was pretty happy at the time with the transfers that were made). I think finishing bottom half with this team would be very poor from a manager. Again, these aren't expectations of finishing top 4 or top 6 we are talking about here, its finishing in the top half.
 
Widow said:
I feel for RA, he walked into a shit show with a bang avarage squad and it's looks to have got worse. Rashford and Antonys may not have contributed much but we are an injury away from an even bigger mess!

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He will have known that the club was in a weakened financial position, but he surely cannot have realised that even straight loan deals would be beyond their grasp (even with one of the top earners at the club departing).

It's a bit daft on United's part to write the season off (as they seemingly now have done), especially with the Europa League looking relatively winnable for any half-decent side that gets their act together (and the bonanza of UCL revenues next season at stake). Unless of course the hierarchy have already written off the manager, too, and are keeping their powder dry for the next guy...
 
No forward despite asking for one. Part of me wants him to walk tbh. Think the club needs to completely burn to the ground, hopefully would force an actual sale.
 
He must be livid. He comes across like a good decent bloke and has been absolutely shafted in the market by the owners. Results are partly his fault no doubt. But squad morale must be at an all time low now. The squad is really injury prone, no goals in the team, and have brought in a wing back while losing a forward, a left back, a CB to injury and whatever Antony is in January
 
Bill Shankley, of course, has said several things. One of them was that football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass.

Try getting this message into our lads' heads without looking like you have aged a decade after a season and a half in the job.

Feck, we're quoting Liverpool greats now. It really is the end of the world.
 
Letting 2 forwards leave is a funny way of solving it our huge goalscoring issue. The remainder of this season is going to be horrendous.

Absolutely disgraceful where all the money has gone.
 
Feel for the guy. The next one in line to get failed by his bosses. He’s actually a decent guy and knows what he’s talking about aswell.
 
I do think Ruben has been short changed this season, though I think bar relegation in the league or humiliation in the cups he'll get the summer, hopefully with an overhaul.

Does seem somewhat suicidal to go into the rest of the season with the attacking options left but there may be some miracle where one of the youth team steps up and actually knows how to shoot.

In any case, the club has saved some money, and may be just a few tea lady sackings short of buying a semi mediocre striker in the summer.
 
Asks for a ST and gets no one. Meanwhile his rival across town asks his owners to sign him some defenders an attacker and a midfielder and gets them all.
 
I feel for the guy. He must regret coming here. Have to deal with noobs like INEOS.
 
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I wouldn't blame him for quitting he's on a hiding to nothing here. INEOS isn't going to help him with what he wants and he will probably end up sacked next season having to play this lot every week
 
DJ_21 said:
Asks for a ST and gets no one. Meanwhile his rival across town asks his owners to sign him some defenders an attacker and a midfielder and gets them all.
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One of those clubs has been cheated by its owners, and the other has cheated world football. It's not hard to understand why there's a difference between both outcomes.
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
I am very much reading between the lines here but the number of loans out and only one 1st teamer coming in suggests that Amorim has been given the rest of this season as a free pass.
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I think you are on the money and its by no means a dig at you when I suggest that I can't believe more people don't realise that this is the case. Anything other than relegation and he is still in a job, the scale of the task is not lost on INEOS or Amorim, it apparently is very much still lost on much of the fanbase however.
 
DJ_21 said:
Asks for a ST and gets no one. Meanwhile his rival across town asks his owners to sign him some defenders an attacker and a midfielder and gets them all.
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Where are all those saviors who didn't want Sheikh Jassim but wanted Jim Ratcliffe? Haven't heard from those blokes from a long time.
 
It's not like we haven't heard this one before. Every manager needs "their players" that cost hundreds of millions of pounds and years to implement their own peculiar vision of football. From this window it's clear Amorim is not getting necessary reinforcements parachuting in to turn the tide. He's stuck with this lot. Many/most of whom won't be part of his plans and would be gone already if possible. I just don't see why Amorim is suddenly hailed as the messiah. His resume isn't better than LVG's, Mourinho's, or arguably Ten Hag's. He has a leg up on Ole, though. We just bought a feck-ton of players and now we're being shown/told they are all crap and can't control a football under pain of death.

So at the end of the rebuild, in 2028, will we have evolved past our rivals? Will this fiendishly clever wingbacks system so outfox the other managers that we can again plant our flag atop Bullshit Mountain? If not, why are we doing any of this?
 
flameinthesun said:
Last season's squad which I think was worse than this one especially with all the injuries finished 8th, with a potentially worse manager according to some. We made decent additions in the summer (the majority was pretty happy at the time with the transfers that were made). I think finishing bottom half with this team would be very poor from a manager. Again, these aren't expectations of finishing top 4 or top 6 we are talking about here, its finishing in the top half.
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We also were exceptionally lucky to finish 8th by any metric and many that wanted Ten Hag sacked said so all year. The points total was a mirage
 
Stobzilla said:
I think you are on the money and its by no means a dig at you when I suggest that I can't believe more people don't realise that this is the case. Anything other than relegation and he is still in a job, the scale of the task is not lost on INEOS or Amorim, it apparently is very much still lost on much of the fanbase however.
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I think that's giving INEOS far too much credit.
 
MZX7 said:
Where are all those saviors who didn't want Sheikh Jassim but wanted Jim Ratcliffe? Haven't heard from those blokes from a long time.
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Still here, still delighted not to be state owned.
 
Stobzilla said:
I think you are on the money and its by no means a dig at you when I suggest that I can't believe more people don't realise that this is the case. Anything other than relegation and he is still in a job, the scale of the task is not lost on INEOS or Amorim, it apparently is very much still lost on much of the fanbase however.
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Will be interesting to see how they operate in the summer and if they try to do a Chelsea esque clear out of the squad and reshape it.
 
MZX7 said:
Where are all those saviors who didn't want Sheikh Jassim but wanted Jim Ratcliffe? Haven't heard from those blokes from a long time.
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For me that would have been the end of watching football if they had bought the club. Jim might be blowing a lot of smoke up people's asses, but he's still better.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I think that's giving INEOS far too much credit.
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Possibly, I think they have preached slow build the whole way and while they might have wanted a rebound by sacking ten Hag, they probably weren't banking on it and new that trying to implement a whole new way of playing meant tanking the season. if they can get a run in Europe where we look much better and possibly another trip to Wembley they will probably think they've gotten more than what we would have had under ten Hag and just shrug at the league position, dust off and go again in the summer.
 
Shark said:
Disagree with this. We're one of the biggest clubs on the planet, results will always matter at this club. Can we imagine Real Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool or Barca sharing this mentallity? Going down the route of accepting a losing culture is the opposite of what this manager is trying to promote in his interviews. He's a winner but is chronically losing games at home. Yes, he said we'll suffer but yesterday was not a positive suffering where we at least played well, and created plenty of chances, it was just plain crap. Ruben is honest enough to realize that it simply wasn't good enough.
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Short term pain for long term gain.

We can cycle through managers until we find one that's fits this hodgepodge squad. By the time we find that unicorn, the current squad will have moved on or retired.

We are starting to look a bit more coordinated. Build from there rather than tearing that up and rolling the dice again.
 
When did INEOS take over? How many of these players were bought on their watch and for how much?

I would be absolutely gobsmacked if their only expectation of Amorim is to just not get relegated until they bring in a new starting 11.

My reading between the trees is they fee this team as a group of well paid professional footballers many of whom they sanctioned the purchase of and expect the manager to get a tune out of.

This nothing matters talk and they know the score and are going to do a major rebuild is bollocks in my opinion. They are panicking right now is my bet.
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:
He must be livid. He comes across like a good decent bloke and has been absolutely shafted in the market by the owners. Results are partly his fault no doubt. But squad morale must be at an all time low now. The squad is really injury prone, no goals in the team, and have brought in a wing back while losing a forward, a left back, a CB to injury and whatever Antony is in January
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This is it.

The Martinez injury is really unfortunate.

But the fact is, we are really struggling for goals and we let two forwards in Antony and Rashford leave. Ok, both were sidelined, but still, we shifted over 400k a week off the wage bill and could not bring someone in.
 
Stobzilla said:
I think you are on the money and its by no means a dig at you when I suggest that I can't believe more people don't realise that this is the case. Anything other than relegation and he is still in a job, the scale of the task is not lost on INEOS or Amorim, it apparently is very much still lost on much of the fanbase however.
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It is certainly lost on INEOS they have sculpted the present circumstances with the choice of manager which has created the economic forecast of wholesale changes needed in such a constrained period given the demands of the new system.

It's reported they supposedly baulked at the 5m loan fee Bayern desired but the severance package to both Erik and Ashworth could have paid that 5x over.

The cost cutting initiative is because SJR doesn't have the financial resources to inject enough capital directly into the club at a rate that will diminish the Glazers ineptitude. United needed a more affluent owner to rectify the decades of mis-dealings, not some penny pinching initiative while the debt remains with a higher yield of interest to incur and the stadium redevelopment being unsubstantiated.

INEOS are absolutely useless, they don't have the firepower to get United back to a competitive level.
 
Bert_ said:
Short term pain for long term gain.

We can cycle through managers until we find one that's fits this hodgepodge squad. By the time we find that unicorn, the current squad will have moved on or retired.

We are starting to look a bit more coordinated. Build from there rather than tearing that up and rolling the dice again.
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In theory I agree with that view but it's important to acknowledge that this isn't a "free" ride, during the next 4 months Amorim need to improve the team and show the ability and willingness to adapt and tweak things. A manager that doesn't improve his team and doesn't adapt to what he has, isn't a long term option, it's not even mid term option, you get rid of this type of managers as fast as you can.
 
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Martinez4midfield said:
When did INEOS take over? How many of these players were bought on their watch and for how much?

I would be absolutely gobsmacked if their only expectation of Amorim is to just not get relegated until they bring in a new starting 11.

My reading between the trees is they very this team as a group of well paid professional footballers many of whom they sanctioned the purchase of and expect the manager to get a tune out of.

This nothing matters talk and they know the score and are going to do a major rebuild is bollocks in my opinion. They are panicking right now is my bet.
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The sanctioned 5 first team signings in the summer (Zrikzee, Ugarte, Yoro, De Ligt and Mazroui) and two in this window.

The f*ck up came when not giving Ten Hag the sack in the summer.

4 out of 5 defensive signings for a team that could only score 57 Premier League goals last season.

I very much doubt that we would have made all 5 of these signings under a different manager.
 
JPRouve said:
In theory I agree with that view but it's important to acknowledge that this isn't a "free", during the next 4 months Amorim need to improve the team and show the ability and willingness to adapt and tweak things. A manager that doesn't improve his team and doesn't adapt to what he has, isn't a long term option, it's not even mid term option, you get rid of this type of managers as fast as you can.
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And have 3 managers on your payroll?

United extended Ten Hag then sacked him within 6 months. You suggesting the same for Amorim? Especially after paying his release clause.

United will stick with Amorim. If the windows continue to be as bad as this one, the question is, will he walk?
 
gaffs said:
This is it.

The Martinez injury is really unfortunate.

But the fact is, we are really struggling for goals and we let two forwards in Antony and Rashford leave. Ok, both were sidelined, but still, we shifted over 400k a week off the wage bill and could not bring someone in.
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Yeah I mean what’s the point in getting their wages off the bill for 6 months if we aren’t gonna bring anyone in on loan so replace them?
We’ll be making about 13 mil from that which gets us what in summer?
 
gaffs said:
And have 3 managers on your payroll?

United extended Ten Hag then sacked him within 6 months. You suggesting the same for Amorim? Especially after paying his release clause.

United will stick with Amorim. If the windows continue to be as bad as this one, the question is, will he walk?
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Yeah. Having a good manager is the most important thing, if the one you have isn't improving the team and isn't working toward improving it, then you need to get rid of him otherwise you are just multiplying your problems. That's what we did with ETH, he should have been sacked this summer instead of adding years to his contract.

And while the window has been bad, Amorim has been as bad on the Football side, if things don't improve and he walks then we hit the jackpot.
 
I think people need to calm down with the comments implying he should walk. Amorim is well aware of where we are at the moment as a club and will have pinpointed the exact areas he needs reinforcements.

The most crucial signing in the first instance was a LWB as playing 3-4-3 relies heavily on width and pace. He will be happy that he now has a player that fits his profile to play there!

He clearly needs and wants better attackers but they seemingly were not available during this window. As he said himself, too many times previously we have panicked and bought players for extortionate prices that add no value in the long term and don’t fit with the long term plan.

He sees no future in Antony and Rashford so therefore has loaned them out with the view to selling them in the summer. A much better idea than them stinking up training and being a sub for the remainder. Those minutes may as well go to some youngsters like Obi, Fletcher or Mather to see if they have it in them.

The league is a write off- who cares if we finish 8th or 15th (barring the reduced prize money.) Our squad should still be good enough to challenge for the cups without the back ups.

It’s a long term game that hopefully we shall see the fruits of in the summer and at the start of next season. Trust the process!
 
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