Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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This is was too specific for it not to be something you experienced. Question is - which one are you in that scenario
Team has no goals in it and was just made worse in the summer and Jan. They aren't really giving him a platform to do anything
I am very much reading between the lines here but the number of loans out and only one 1st teamer coming in suggests that Amorim has been given the rest of this season as a free pass.
We really need to adapt our expectations for this year and I am the first one that advice applies to. I get that we're in a rebuild but yet I still feel gutted when we play SO badly that there isn't even any hope.
I, and, us need to accept that this will take time.
Last season's squad which I think was worse than this one especially with all the injuries finished 8th, with a potentially worse manager according to some. We made decent additions in the summer (the majority was pretty happy at the time with the transfers that were made). I think finishing bottom half with this team would be very poor from a manager. Again, these aren't expectations of finishing top 4 or top 6 we are talking about here, its finishing in the top half.
He will have known that the club was in a weakened financial position, but he surely cannot have realised that even straight loan deals would be beyond their grasp (even with one of the top earners at the club departing).
It's a bit daft on United's part to write the season off (as they seemingly now have done), especially with the Europa League looking relatively winnable for any half-decent side that gets their act together (and the bonanza of UCL revenues next season at stake). Unless of course the hierarchy have already written off the manager, too, and are keeping their powder dry for the next guy...
No forward despite asking for one. Part of me wants him to walk tbh. Think the club needs to completely burn to the ground, hopefully would force an actual sale.
He must be livid. He comes across like a good decent bloke and has been absolutely shafted in the market by the owners. Results are partly his fault no doubt. But squad morale must be at an all time low now. The squad is really injury prone, no goals in the team, and have brought in a wing back while losing a forward, a left back, a CB to injury and whatever Antony is in January
Bill Shankley, of course, has said several things. One of them was that football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass.
Try getting this message into our lads' heads without looking like you have aged a decade after a season and a half in the job.
Feck, we're quoting Liverpool greats now. It really is the end of the world.
Try getting this message into our lads' heads without looking like you have aged a decade after a season and a half in the job.
Feck, we're quoting Liverpool greats now. It really is the end of the world.
Letting 2 forwards leave is a funny way of solving it our huge goalscoring issue. The remainder of this season is going to be horrendous.
Absolutely disgraceful where all the money has gone.
Absolutely disgraceful where all the money has gone.
Feel for the guy. The next one in line to get failed by his bosses. He’s actually a decent guy and knows what he’s talking about aswell.
I do think Ruben has been short changed this season, though I think bar relegation in the league or humiliation in the cups he'll get the summer, hopefully with an overhaul.
Does seem somewhat suicidal to go into the rest of the season with the attacking options left but there may be some miracle where one of the youth team steps up and actually knows how to shoot.
In any case, the club has saved some money, and may be just a few tea lady sackings short of buying a semi mediocre striker in the summer.
Does seem somewhat suicidal to go into the rest of the season with the attacking options left but there may be some miracle where one of the youth team steps up and actually knows how to shoot.
In any case, the club has saved some money, and may be just a few tea lady sackings short of buying a semi mediocre striker in the summer.
Asks for a ST and gets no one. Meanwhile his rival across town asks his owners to sign him some defenders an attacker and a midfielder and gets them all.
I feel for the guy. He must regret coming here. Have to deal with noobs like INEOS.
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I wouldn't blame him for quitting he's on a hiding to nothing here. INEOS isn't going to help him with what he wants and he will probably end up sacked next season having to play this lot every week
Sure.
One of those clubs has been cheated by its owners, and the other has cheated world football. It's not hard to understand why there's a difference between both outcomes.
I think you are on the money and its by no means a dig at you when I suggest that I can't believe more people don't realise that this is the case. Anything other than relegation and he is still in a job, the scale of the task is not lost on INEOS or Amorim, it apparently is very much still lost on much of the fanbase however.
Where are all those saviors who didn't want Sheikh Jassim but wanted Jim Ratcliffe? Haven't heard from those blokes from a long time.
It's not like we haven't heard this one before. Every manager needs "their players" that cost hundreds of millions of pounds and years to implement their own peculiar vision of football. From this window it's clear Amorim is not getting necessary reinforcements parachuting in to turn the tide. He's stuck with this lot. Many/most of whom won't be part of his plans and would be gone already if possible. I just don't see why Amorim is suddenly hailed as the messiah. His resume isn't better than LVG's, Mourinho's, or arguably Ten Hag's. He has a leg up on Ole, though. We just bought a feck-ton of players and now we're being shown/told they are all crap and can't control a football under pain of death.
So at the end of the rebuild, in 2028, will we have evolved past our rivals? Will this fiendishly clever wingbacks system so outfox the other managers that we can again plant our flag atop Bullshit Mountain? If not, why are we doing any of this?
So at the end of the rebuild, in 2028, will we have evolved past our rivals? Will this fiendishly clever wingbacks system so outfox the other managers that we can again plant our flag atop Bullshit Mountain? If not, why are we doing any of this?
Hello.
We also were exceptionally lucky to finish 8th by any metric and many that wanted Ten Hag sacked said so all year. The points total was a mirage
I think that's giving INEOS far too much credit.
Lucky in what way?
Still here, still delighted not to be state owned.
Will be interesting to see how they operate in the summer and if they try to do a Chelsea esque clear out of the squad and reshape it.
For me that would have been the end of watching football if they had bought the club. Jim might be blowing a lot of smoke up people's asses, but he's still better.
Overperformed both our xG and xGA and thus our expected points was 15th last year at the end of the season.
We were lucky as feck
Possibly, I think they have preached slow build the whole way and while they might have wanted a rebound by sacking ten Hag, they probably weren't banking on it and new that trying to implement a whole new way of playing meant tanking the season. if they can get a run in Europe where we look much better and possibly another trip to Wembley they will probably think they've gotten more than what we would have had under ten Hag and just shrug at the league position, dust off and go again in the summer.
Were we lucky in terms of the injuries that the squad faced?
And was that overperformance due to the quality of the squad, the manager or both?
Short term pain for long term gain.
We can cycle through managers until we find one that's fits this hodgepodge squad. By the time we find that unicorn, the current squad will have moved on or retired.
We are starting to look a bit more coordinated. Build from there rather than tearing that up and rolling the dice again.
When did INEOS take over? How many of these players were bought on their watch and for how much?
I would be absolutely gobsmacked if their only expectation of Amorim is to just not get relegated until they bring in a new starting 11.
My reading between the trees is they fee this team as a group of well paid professional footballers many of whom they sanctioned the purchase of and expect the manager to get a tune out of.
This nothing matters talk and they know the score and are going to do a major rebuild is bollocks in my opinion. They are panicking right now is my bet.
I would be absolutely gobsmacked if their only expectation of Amorim is to just not get relegated until they bring in a new starting 11.
My reading between the trees is they fee this team as a group of well paid professional footballers many of whom they sanctioned the purchase of and expect the manager to get a tune out of.
This nothing matters talk and they know the score and are going to do a major rebuild is bollocks in my opinion. They are panicking right now is my bet.
This is it.
The Martinez injury is really unfortunate.
But the fact is, we are really struggling for goals and we let two forwards in Antony and Rashford leave. Ok, both were sidelined, but still, we shifted over 400k a week off the wage bill and could not bring someone in.
It is certainly lost on INEOS they have sculpted the present circumstances with the choice of manager which has created the economic forecast of wholesale changes needed in such a constrained period given the demands of the new system.
It's reported they supposedly baulked at the 5m loan fee Bayern desired but the severance package to both Erik and Ashworth could have paid that 5x over.
The cost cutting initiative is because SJR doesn't have the financial resources to inject enough capital directly into the club at a rate that will diminish the Glazers ineptitude. United needed a more affluent owner to rectify the decades of mis-dealings, not some penny pinching initiative while the debt remains with a higher yield of interest to incur and the stadium redevelopment being unsubstantiated.
INEOS are absolutely useless, they don't have the firepower to get United back to a competitive level.
In theory I agree with that view but it's important to acknowledge that this isn't a "free" ride, during the next 4 months Amorim need to improve the team and show the ability and willingness to adapt and tweak things. A manager that doesn't improve his team and doesn't adapt to what he has, isn't a long term option, it's not even mid term option, you get rid of this type of managers as fast as you can.
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The sanctioned 5 first team signings in the summer (Zrikzee, Ugarte, Yoro, De Ligt and Mazroui) and two in this window.
The f*ck up came when not giving Ten Hag the sack in the summer.
4 out of 5 defensive signings for a team that could only score 57 Premier League goals last season.
I very much doubt that we would have made all 5 of these signings under a different manager.
And have 3 managers on your payroll?
United extended Ten Hag then sacked him within 6 months. You suggesting the same for Amorim? Especially after paying his release clause.
United will stick with Amorim. If the windows continue to be as bad as this one, the question is, will he walk?
Yeah I mean what’s the point in getting their wages off the bill for 6 months if we aren’t gonna bring anyone in on loan so replace them?
We’ll be making about 13 mil from that which gets us what in summer?