Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Hojlund, Zirkzee, Garnacho and Amad are currently our real only forward options for various reasons in a team trying to dominate possession and break teams down. It's pathetic. Is it really any wonder we're struggling?

Honestly a couple of attacking players (and it would be nice if we had Dorgu/a striker after today) and I'm convinced our fortunes could change quite quickly because once you can score goals the entire game changes. I'll start judging him properly then if we still look the same.
 
Dannn411 said:
The problem is not the formation. Its the way the players are implementing. Our back 7 is probably the worst in the league all things considered. Incredibly negative and slow with the ball. Their default is to pass backwcrds and sideways. I saw it so many times yesterday. They are petrified to actually take initiative and try something.
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We don't have players with the personality. Maguire and Martinez will take that responsibility, and Eriksen will try.. but he's limited now by fitness, our centre halves cannot do it all. Dalot will try from where he plays.. but we need some better midfielders.

We need dominant midfielders. Look at Newcastle's midfield for example.. and even with those players, they still are challenged. Chelsea, L'Pool... Arsenal.. all have solid midfielders, which give their teams confidence. We don't have that. More worrying is that fact that we have few players who seem to wish to take this on.

This is why I am glad Rashford has gone, his bad attitude has reflected on to the squad. If your highest earner doesn't give a monkeys', what message does that send to the rest of the players?
 
stevoc said:
And we shouldn't embark upon one every time we get a new manager.

The majority of this squad can't be thrown on the scrap heap just because the last and current manager can't get a tune out of them.
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Agree with the first sentence.

The second sentence not so much. This squad is such an unbalanced mish -mash of individuals that there isn’t a manager or system around that suits the squad as it currently is.
 
People who are saying sack him are wrong. (There aren't many)
People who are saying trust him/back him no matter what are wrong. (There are many)

I'm pretty sure he should be given a summer of signings/preseason to change things. But one could have doubts about giving him a big budget as his reign has been a disaster so far.

The two best things he's done is get rid of Rashford and play Amad, who's form has been pretty good. I'd also add that our away matches have been pretty decent under him.

Negatives: Home performances/results. They're just unacceptable for any manager at any club, let alone Man United. It's boring, can't create, can't score, 5 at the back including 2 defensive wing backs.

I actually don't mind the Mainoo experiment yesterday, the 2 strikers are rubbish and I feel sorry for Ruben about this. Can't believe we're not getting a striker in. Our top scorer is on 6, I think only Southampton's is lower.

These days people look to press conferences when judging a manager. People were impressed with Ragnick but what's important is what happens on the pitch, and it's bleak.

He seems like a nice guy, he knows there are problems but he really needs to fix the home form quickly. The fans deserve a bit more than what they're seeing.
 
Redstain said:
This is the biggest concern, I've got Amorim being sacked this season due to INEOS but away from systems and tactical approaches the spaces between the defence is absolutely wild.

Anything the opposition throw down the channels is exposing this team, Palace last night caused many problems with the team running at pace against the back three. I don't think it's simply an issue that's rectified with new signings, it's on Amorim to coach the defensive shape in and out of possession.

Conte's Chelsea was absolutely solid so it's not a system orientated issue.
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I think its too simplistic to say it was not a system issue just because Conte did it for a while. Chelsea are the only team to win both PL and CL with a back 3. Noone else has ever done it. None of the top teams in Europe's major leagues play this system. That is a massive red flag
 
stepic said:
I don’t blame him for trying something different, it’s not like he’s not given both Hojlund and Zirkzee plenty of opportunities. Our forwards are easily the worst we’ve had in all of our living memory. That isn’t his fault.
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Mainoo is a kid.... Inexperienced, unfamiliar position.... Bad call for me

We really need to get a proven striker asap. Especially after shunting Rashford
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
He needs to stop playing 5 defenders. Our results are awful with 5 defenders.

Your wing-backs can't be Dalot and Mazraoui. It's just not working.
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Next up he is going to say these are the worse defenders in the history of history and will say we may need 8 defenders to play his system against Crystal fecking Palace at home and our fans will lap it up. They will convince you 18 competitive games to train them is not nearly enough but 8 pre season friendlies will definately bring the best out of them. Believe it.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
He needs to stop playing 5 defenders. Our results are awful with 5 defenders.

Your wing-backs can't be Dalot and Mazraoui. It's just not working.
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It's more a circumstance thing for this... But with Martinez's injury I'd assume Mazraoui goes back to RCB more often. Dalot and Dorgu will be the main wing backs I guess.

Bruno and Ugarte seems like a decent CM pairing but it also means our only players who can play as 10's are Amad, Garnacho and Mainoo. And we have 2 useless strikers. Hopefully it works better with Dalot at RWB but it's not like we have actual options in the attack that we can move Amad to RWB
 
I think when we eventually end up in 16th he will be gone.

I don't want another manager where everything has to be perfect for him to work.
 
pcaming said:
I think when we eventually end up in 16th he will be gone.

I don't want another manager where everything has to be perfect for him to work.
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It's not about being perfect is it?
It could be good, decent or just normal.
And it's a complete and utter mess. He has nothing to do with said mess.
 
pcaming said:
He is partly responsible for fixing it though, and I'm really losing trust him.
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There is no manager who could make this team any better at scoring goals.

You can't win games if you don't score goals.

You can't play this way without a very specific form of wingback.

If we were going to bring him in we should have waited till the summer and brought in his players and given him time on the pitch. Until then, you have to be willing to wait and give him a squad.

If we had good, athletic and technical players, he would and should have left. But he doesn't.

There have been multiple games where we've played well and had more of the ball, but cannot put the ball in the net. Then an individual error kills us, and it's not like we have the firepower to get back into the game.
 
afrocentricity said:
Mainoo is a kid.... Inexperienced, unfamiliar position.... Bad call for me

We really need to get a proven striker asap. Especially after shunting Rashford
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Thought it was brilliant he tried something different when I saw the initial line up an hour before kickoff.

Thought it was terrible that Mainoo was the 9. Felt it was going to be one of Nacho or my own preferred option of Amad.

Ten minutes in thought wow what a good option.

End of game thought why?

Bloody hell football
 
Will say it again, he’s fecked. This club is a black hole for talent. Both coaches and players.
 
Toshey said:
It's not about being perfect is it?
It could be good, decent or just normal.
And it's a complete and utter mess. He has nothing to do with said mess.
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He is literally the head coach and has been for a decent run of games, you cannot just absolve him of any responsibility.

People always swing so far to extremes on here. I feel one camp simply like how he comes across and can't accept he might not be that good and the other is so used to being crap, they have just written him off already.
 
stevoc said:
Madness.

Didn't we just do that over the last 2 years to the cost of £600m?

We shouldn't be letting any manager dictate transfers because they might make a complete clusterfeck of it and need sacking leaving a mess for the next guy. Hopefully the club have finally learned something from the Ten Hag era, though I doubt it.
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Wild that this has to be repeated over and over. Some of our fans (and the decision-makers at the club) never learn.
 
Why does he not want to give players from the academy a chance. They may just surprise us. For now, it’s just the same awful players doing the same awful things each game week. If we don’t have competent strikers and a LWB, give the youngsters are chance to prove they can do better.

Currently Amorim seems more like AVB than Mourinho sadly. He better get things to improve soon else we may do yet another “rebuild” only to find the manager is flailing and we will be stuck with more players not suitable for a different formation.
 
Judas said:
People who want him gone deserve this horrible mess of a club and whatever joker gets brought in if he’s sacked. I’m beyond exhausted by how this club is run.
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15 years ago.... Who would have thought it would be like this eh?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
He is literally the head coach and has been for a decent run of games, you cannot just absolve him of any responsibility.

People always swing so far to extremes on here. I feel one camp simply like how he comes across and can't accept he might not be that good and the other is so used to being crap, they have just written him off already.
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I can only sort of criticise him for his random team selection.
But I'm not trying to be smarter than the actual coach of Manchester United.

Don't know what happens in training or in the dressing room.

If it was up to me, I'd field

Bayindir (don't trust Onana one bit, he always seems to screw the team when we look up)

Amad - Mazraoui - De Liht - Yoro - Dorgu
Ugarte - Casemiro
Bruno Hojlund Garnacho

But maybe he doesn't see it that way.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
He is literally the head coach and has been for a decent run of games, you cannot just absolve him of any responsibility.

People always swing so far to extremes on here. I feel one camp simply like how he comes across and can't accept he might not be that good and the other is so used to being crap, they have just written him off already.
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Exactly, I get we want to give a new manager every chance and want to back the manager since a lot of the stuff he's walked into isn't his own doing. But no manager in the world comes in a club mid-season and is not allocated any responsibility.

I'm not expecting a top half finish, I don't care where we finish, but if the manager is compounding the problems by making weird decisions and shooting himself in the foot then it's perfectly reasonable to begin questioning their competency

We should not be getting outplayed and beat by lower table teams at home. Fans are paying good money, he's had enough games now not to need to waste people's time and experiment with no strikers and kobbie mainoo.

At the start of his tenure many questioned his continuous rotation and said it would not help the teams cohesion, and there was a fair argument that he needed to see which players were good enough and different roles. However he's now had a enough time with the players now on the pitch and on the training ground to get an idea of their best roles and positions to have an idea of his best selection.

I missed the game but any football fan would be able to tell you Mainoo will never work as a striker. When I saw the team line up I thought he was going to be experienting with Garnacho up front which would have been a bit more reasonable, a newbie in the newbie forum even suggested the idea since neither zirkee or hojlund are really doing anything goals wise.

Eventually goodwill and blind faith will dry up if you are doing things which do not make any sense while not getting any results and you can't keep blaming the players when they might have a good game in one position his system, then next game they are moved in another position played with a completely different set of players, it's impossible for any team to find any rhyme, form/consistency
 
He has no goalscorer, that isn't his fault. This squad isn't his, he's anchored to his system and will persist with it - for better or for worse. I do feel we will be better off longer term sticking to the system, even if it means we effectively write this season off (which was dead and buried as soon as we stuck with Ten Hag anyway).
 
I feel bad for the guy. Yet another manager that’s been setup to fail and not supported by the club. We’re great at ruining previously successful managers.
 
Toshey said:
I can only sort of criticise him for his random team selection.
But I'm not trying to be smarter than the actual coach of Manchester United.

Don't know what happens in training or in the dressing room.

If it was up to me, I'd field

Bayindir (don't trust Onana one bit, he always seems to screw the team when we look up)

Amad - Mazraoui - De Liht - Yoro - Dorgu
Ugarte - Casemiro
Bruno Hojlund Garnacho

But maybe he doesn't see it that way.
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Of course, but what you are saying is something a lot of fans are saying as well (why not Maz RCB, why not more attacking WBs, why not Cas, or in my opinion just risk Collyer, to shore up the CMs a bit) but ultimately we're online fans with lots of ideas and he's the one earning £7m odd a year to work it out and, it is fair to say, it is not working as it stands.
 
This is the hardest part for him to tackle on pitch, how to break low block. Hope it find out a solution. Players’ confidence is a critical factor as well.
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
Next up he is going to say these are the worse defenders in the history of history and will say we may need 8 defenders to play his system against Crystal fecking Palace at home and our fans will lap it up. They will convince you 18 competitive games to train them is not nearly enough but 8 pre season friendlies will definately bring the best out of them. Believe it.
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This part cracks me up, people pinning all their hopes and dreams on things clicking after some friendlies in the States against some MLS team.

I don't know about everyone else but I've always learned more on the job doing it then I ever had in the classroom.
 
A 20 year old kid from Lecce...



There you go Ruben, do your thing!
 
Surely he must know his 'best' 11 by now, constantly changing Cb's, midfield 2, Forwards, can't be helping, results reflect that imo, as each game plays out, ya just think how it it going to suddenly change
 
Martinez4midfield said:
This part cracks me up, people pinning all their hopes and dreams on things clicking after some friendlies in the States against some MLS team.

I don't know about everyone else but I've always learned more on the job doing it then I ever had in the classroom.
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Yep, it's much better to join mid-season with all those games coming thick and fast, your squad tired and picking up injuries, and no time to work on tactics and formation because the players are constantly in recovery...
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We dont really have any money to bring anyone in, we probably cant even afford to pay a loan fee in this window following the signing from Lecce
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What exactly did they intend to do? I remember the Glazers fecked us and needed to sell. INEOS came out on top, but what was the plan? And timescale?
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
For one the club cannot afford to sack him. They also hired him knowing this is not an easy job so will get the chance to rebuild the squad.

I am not concerned at all about the league form as he is implementing a new style while having rubbish players. This season is for learning and having a pre season and a summer transfer window will be huge for him and the team.
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I agree that ETH left a terrible squad and it makes sense to give him a transfer window and a pre-season before really judging him. Let's hope INEOS have a proper plan and stick to it whatever that plan is.
 
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