There's nothing wrong with him or Ten Hag saying that. Liverpool didn't play like Dortmund, City don't play like Barca did. Every manager has to adapt and coach the players they have. Hell even the same coach at the same club has to adapt year to year to the new players he has and to how the league evolves/others adapt to your system. That's entirely normal. Ten hag didn't adapt successfully, that's where he went wrong. It wasn't because he didn't try to copy his Ajax team (which wouldn't have worked here anyway).
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I have no idea why you're aggressively reposting the conversation. I can read. I just told you we are taking it with a pinch of salt. There's nothing comical about cautious optimism.
If you found the other premise comical that's great but it literally has feck all to do with what we were posting.
No one would have cared if we didn't play like Ajax, had ETH got us playing nice football and found a winning formula. The problem was that he said it when we were playing absolutely atrocious stuff, which made it much worse.
Amorim basically said that Sporting were lucky last night, and that wouldn't be an ideal setup for us (City completely dominated possession). It was a reasonable response to the question.
I'm hopeful that he and his coaching staff can get a tune out of our players, sporting were in a sorry state when he took over. Hopefully we don't have to replace too many players, with our guys stepping up and learning to play different positions, some are young and motivated enough to do so. Personally I would get rid of all our existing coaching staff and start again. Approaching training in a completely different manner may be the refresh some players need.
Yeah, agreed. It was all a bit of clusterfeck with very little behind the scenes support, except for Ed's "Disneyland" references.
Did you hear the whole answer? He said, we can't play as defensively as Sporting have been, we have to control and dominate games more.
Definitely high risk, high reward. If he fails he will be ridiculed but people will understand that he jumped on into a poisoned chalice so it will easier to restart elsewhere albeit at a lower level. If he succeeds, my word the power he will be able to wield within the club and the in the transfer market will be immense.
He has taken a huge risk but if he somehow makes it he will instantly join the upper echelons of football management kinda like how Klopp built his legacy.
The big hope would be that we have finally solved our recruitment issues and we can now efficiently turn the squad around for him. If Ashworth and Co can bring five top class, top class not expensive, additions in the summer to complement some of the good players we have and we start to enjoy incremental improvement, year on year, he will do great things here.
I kind of agree but it has to be tempered, for me ETHs biggest eff up was not throwing his whole philosophy out of the window but trying to fit players into roles they were not capable of, he wanted FDJ but couldn't get him so instead tried a succession of players with different skill sets into the same role expecting that they would do the same thing, but the biggest problem was his insistence on persisting with systems, tactics and players in roles that just were not working and were often disastrous.
I am confident that Amorim will not make the same mistakes, he will not persist with a player in a role which they cannot do well, he will either adapt the system or swap out the player.
I think we will see some players come alive under Amorim and I think other players will flounder, I see an interesting few transfer windows, especially players being sold
I am convinced football managers see things differently to us as fans. How can a coach who is meant to be a great tactician, not see the obvious flaws in the team.
It makes 0 sense.. why would you have Eriksen Bruno Casemiro in year 3, after you have seen for 2 years before that it doesn't work, no bite in the midfield and no legs.
To add to that you back wingers that doesnt want to track.
Amorim needs to change that, if its not working change it, I really hope he does that. It seems when managers come to OT, they get bad results and go into survival settings, rather than trust their ability.
I wish we hadn't wasted 400M on ETH signings and have all that money now to get in players under new management team! one can only dream
Fair enough. He’s right then.
Pep as always played the same style though no? So as klopp. He always plays the same style.
What a waste of money... when you talk of transfers that make no sense..
Antony 80m - his guy, couldn't get him playing. after 3 seasons use Garnacho, Amad who were already there when EtH arrived. Makes you question, can he judge players?
Mount 55m - Why? When you have Bruno who plays every game? What system was he going to play to accomodate him? People say 4-3-3 with Bruno and Mount, who was the 3rd meant to be because he had already earmarked Mainoo to break into the 8?
Casemiro - 70m for a player who cannot cover ground? took him out of games because he wanted "more football".
Just seems like he didn't know what the players strengths and weaknesses were.
Maguire / Varane - kept saying they can't play left side, then they played left side..
McTominay... used him in the 10 in the last 8 months
Fortunately, I can see Mount being used by Amorin in the double 10. Not sure Antony will be of any use though.
Fair enough then. I don’t think any team in Europe will dominate the possession against city. And ole had the most success against pep and city by using a counter attacking style.
Klopp changed his style post CL run, where they used to play high octane football, they became alot more controlled, he realised to win the title, he had to do it.
Pep also changes his system yearly, he is the one who had inverted full backs, which was not the case at Barca or bayern, he had flying full backs.
Now he plays with a back 4 but with CB at LB and a ST who doesnt do anything but score. Adapting to players he has rather than crying.
Let's just hope we're not saying the same in a few years time
You allegedly being able to read is not reflected in your posts, hence why you keep going on about your cautious optimism not being comical when at no point did I label it such (the post you just quoted literally says “fair”) - just babbling for babbling sake - it’s also why you think points that aren’t aimed at nor about you - are about you - and this is why you need the conversation to be reposted aggressively.
Cautious optimism being your stance is great and all but it has nothing to do with me - you quoted and engaged me - I replied to your post and expounded on my view (disclaimer and all) because that’s how conversations work.
man, go do these unserious routines with someone else. peace
Enrique PSG, De Zerbie Marseille, Flicks Barcelona etc only some that would be even more possession heavy that City.
As I said, if you were talking about something unrelated as comical then that had feck all to do with the post I made. I suppose if Im in your shoes I should make some comment about your comprehension.
Imagine being so wound up from a nothing post that you talk about completely unrelated topics and wind yourself up about it.
Chill out and try to have a normal day without being aggressive. You've got issues mate.
Yeah I meant currently available bur yes Mainoo is the only good carrier in the entire squad since it’s impossible to count Mount these days.
Ffs, i am getting Eth vibes.
People melting down over those comments is classic Caf.
No need to. I’ve had it clarified that he actually meant we can’t play as defensive as sporting did. Although it did get them a 4-1 win.
600+ million you mean.
Seriously? you believe he can just magically transport Sporting's way of playing, and mentality over to United, just like that?
Understandable of the comments we’re seeing but if we look into it more and see what he actually said he meant we can’t be as defensive. So all is good. Although if you play defensive and win 4-1 that’s very good
It is not meltdown. You get excited for some things and worried for other things. Normal things in fan's life.
Most of us wanted Erik because we liked Ajax style. And then he made that famous quote about "lets be transition team".
Of course then that this type of quote is something which gets reaction.
He’s not even started and you are judging him?
Of course not. But my hope is that he will try. Erik gave up from his style after 6 months and never went back on it.
Watch the presser you silly sausage!
Yeah I really hope he doesn't fall into the trap of thinking we have to be a 'transition' side. After what we've witnessed under the last guy I'll settle for pragmatic.
It hasn't just been you but there has been similar reactions since yesterday without taking the context into consideration. I can see why people would be apprehensive about the comments in the tweets as it was a cause for frustration for a lot of people after spending £100s millions on a team, EtH couldnt them to play like Ajax or even get them to play some decent football. More like plucky underdogs.
The wider context, he was asked how yesterday's game would impact on his approach with United. He basically said it wouldn't because we should play that defensively. He had already said that they were a bit lucky and they didn't play well.
Do you worriers really believe Berrada has appointed Amorim with a brief to rip up what you do and be pragmatic please?
What planet are you lot on
What planet are you lot on
The problem was not the defenders, but the gap between defence and the one man left in the midfield, Amorims system will immediately solve that issue
he's talking about how defensive they were the first half but he's also trying to temper expectations given the result yesterday....it's a new squad of players that will take time to adjust to how he wants them to play
After watching last night's game I think it's clear.
Lisan al Gaib!
Lisan al Gaib!
We could say that about every manager since Moyes. The manager/coach should work with the players we have and make the team better through coaching, we can’t keep signing a new squad every 2/3 years.
Yes when he was at Brighton but not making the cut. Brighton brought him in from Sweden and he spent 3 or 4 different loans out including to Coventry who then bought him after 6 months loan for 1m. This was 2 years after signing from Sweden
Coventry sold him for 20m
