Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Kaos said:
It certainly is a high risk high reward type career move for him. If he succeeds he'll have done what half a dozen or so managers (some with legendary reputations) have failed to do.

But on the other hand he might realise he's taken Sporting as far as he can take them. As good as they are now, he'll always contend with the reality of having his best players constantly poached by bigger clubs, and that no honeymoon period is sustainable at a club like that. I think Alonso is experiencing that at Leverkusen now. The only risk I feel he's taken is latching on to the opportunity now instead of waiting it out for a 'safer' move to a club like City, Madrid or Bayern. But again if he does return United to the ascendancy that only cements his legacy as being legendary.
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Definitely high risk, high reward. If he fails he will be ridiculed but people will understand that he jumped on into a poisoned chalice so it will easier to restart elsewhere albeit at a lower level. If he succeeds, my word the power he will be able to wield within the club and the in the transfer market will be immense.

He has taken a huge risk but if he somehow makes it he will instantly join the upper echelons of football management kinda like how Klopp built his legacy.

The big hope would be that we have finally solved our recruitment issues and we can now efficiently turn the squad around for him. If Ashworth and Co can bring five top class, top class not expensive, additions in the summer to complement some of the good players we have and we start to enjoy incremental improvement, year on year, he will do great things here.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Even if this is not the proper quote. He said we shouldn't be as defensive. This is a very worrying. He just smashed City playing that way and Sporting have a sht load of goals this season. Why change it? ETH's biggest fk up was throwing his whole philosophy out the window and trying to play 'transition' football.
PLease for the love of all things dont change your philosophy. Yes tweak it to cope with the Premier league. Its very different. But not because you want to accomodate Rashford or to play the 'United Way' Or any other nonsense.
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I kind of agree but it has to be tempered, for me ETHs biggest eff up was not throwing his whole philosophy out of the window but trying to fit players into roles they were not capable of, he wanted FDJ but couldn't get him so instead tried a succession of players with different skill sets into the same role expecting that they would do the same thing, but the biggest problem was his insistence on persisting with systems, tactics and players in roles that just were not working and were often disastrous.

I am confident that Amorim will not make the same mistakes, he will not persist with a player in a role which they cannot do well, he will either adapt the system or swap out the player.

I think we will see some players come alive under Amorim and I think other players will flounder, I see an interesting few transfer windows, especially players being sold
 
Zed 101 said:
I kind of agree but it has to be tempered, for me ETHs biggest eff up was not throwing his whole philosophy out of the window but trying to fit players into roles they were not capable of, he wanted FDJ but couldn't get him so instead tried a succession of players with different skill sets into the same role expecting that they would do the same thing, but the biggest problem was his insistence on persisting with systems, tactics and players in roles that just were not working and were often disastrous.

I am confident that Amorim will not make the same mistakes, he will not persist with a player in a role which they cannot do well, he will either adapt the system or swap out the player.

I think we will see some players come alive under Amorim and I think other players will flounder, I see an interesting few transfer windows, especially players being sold
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I am convinced football managers see things differently to us as fans. How can a coach who is meant to be a great tactician, not see the obvious flaws in the team.

It makes 0 sense.. why would you have Eriksen Bruno Casemiro in year 3, after you have seen for 2 years before that it doesn't work, no bite in the midfield and no legs.

To add to that you back wingers that doesnt want to track.

Amorim needs to change that, if its not working change it, I really hope he does that. It seems when managers come to OT, they get bad results and go into survival settings, rather than trust their ability.
 
I wish we hadn't wasted 400M on ETH signings and have all that money now to get in players under new management team! one can only dream
 
romufc said:
If you see what he said, he said we cant play like that at United meaning cant be defensive. It is actually opposite of Ten Hag. Ten Hag said he cant play Ajax way but never said what way he can play, talked abour being the best transition side, which in the old days was called counter attacking football.

Ruben is indirectly saying at United they expect more control.
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Fair enough. He’s right then.
 
bosnian_red said:
There's nothing wrong with him or Ten Hag saying that. Liverpool didn't play like Dortmund, City don't play like Barca did. Every manager has to adapt and coach the players they have. Hell even the same coach at the same club has to adapt year to year to the new players he has and to how the league evolves/others adapt to your system. That's entirely normal. Ten hag didn't adapt successfully, that's where he went wrong. It wasn't because he didn't try to copy his Ajax team (which wouldn't have worked here anyway).
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Pep as always played the same style though no? So as klopp. He always plays the same style.
 
Bobby_2024 said:
I wish we hadn't wasted 400M on ETH signings and have all that money now to get in players under new management team! one can only dream
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What a waste of money... when you talk of transfers that make no sense..

Antony 80m - his guy, couldn't get him playing. after 3 seasons use Garnacho, Amad who were already there when EtH arrived. Makes you question, can he judge players?

Mount 55m - Why? When you have Bruno who plays every game? What system was he going to play to accomodate him? People say 4-3-3 with Bruno and Mount, who was the 3rd meant to be because he had already earmarked Mainoo to break into the 8?

Casemiro - 70m for a player who cannot cover ground? took him out of games because he wanted "more football".

Just seems like he didn't know what the players strengths and weaknesses were.

Maguire / Varane - kept saying they can't play left side, then they played left side..

McTominay... used him in the 10 in the last 8 months

Fortunately, I can see Mount being used by Amorin in the double 10. Not sure Antony will be of any use though.
 
Robbie Boy said:
No one would have cared if we didn't play like Ajax, had ETH got us playing nice football and found a winning formula. The problem was that he said it when we were playing absolutely atrocious stuff, which made it much worse.

Amorim basically said that Sporting were lucky last night, and that wouldn't be an ideal setup for us (City completely dominated possession). It was a reasonable response to the question.
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Fair enough then. I don’t think any team in Europe will dominate the possession against city. And ole had the most success against pep and city by using a counter attacking style.
 
DJ_21 said:
Pep as always played the same style though no? So as klopp. He always plays the same style.
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Klopp changed his style post CL run, where they used to play high octane football, they became alot more controlled, he realised to win the title, he had to do it.

Pep also changes his system yearly, he is the one who had inverted full backs, which was not the case at Barca or bayern, he had flying full backs.

Now he plays with a back 4 but with CB at LB and a ST who doesnt do anything but score. Adapting to players he has rather than crying.
 
Bobby_2024 said:
I wish we hadn't wasted 400M on ETH signings and have all that money now to get in players under new management team! one can only dream
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Let's just hope we're not saying the same in a few years time
 
VP89 said:
I have no idea why you're aggressively reposting the conversation. I can read. I just told you we are taking it with a pinch of salt. There's nothing comical about cautious optimism.

If you found the other premise comical that's great but it literally has feck all to do with what we were posting.
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You allegedly being able to read is not reflected in your posts, hence why you keep going on about your cautious optimism not being comical when at no point did I label it such (the post you just quoted literally says “fair”) - just babbling for babbling sake - it’s also why you think points that aren’t aimed at nor about you - are about you - and this is why you need the conversation to be reposted aggressively.

Cautious optimism being your stance is great and all but it has nothing to do with me - you quoted and engaged me - I replied to your post and expounded on my view (disclaimer and all) because that’s how conversations work.

man, go do these unserious routines with someone else. peace
 
DJ_21 said:
Fair enough then. I don’t think any team in Europe will dominate the possession against city. And ole had the most success against pep and city by using a counter attacking style.
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Enrique PSG, De Zerbie Marseille, Flicks Barcelona etc only some that would be even more possession heavy that City.
 
TsuWave said:
You allegedly being able to read is not reflected in your posts, hence why you keep going on about your cautious optimism not being comical when at no point did I label it such (the post you just quoted literally says “fair”) - just babbling for babbling sake - it’s also why you think points that aren’t aimed at nor about you - are about you - and this is why you need the conversation to be reposted aggressively.

Cautious optimism being your stance is great and all but it has nothing to do with me - you quoted and engaged me - I replied to your post and expounded on my view (disclaimer and all) because that’s how conversations work.

man, go do these unserious routines with someone else. peace
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As I said, if you were talking about something unrelated as comical then that had feck all to do with the post I made. I suppose if Im in your shoes I should make some comment about your comprehension.

Imagine being so wound up from a nothing post that you talk about completely unrelated topics and wind yourself up about it.

Chill out and try to have a normal day without being aggressive. You've got issues mate.
 
Judas said:
People melting down over those comments is classic Caf.
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Understandable of the comments we’re seeing but if we look into it more and see what he actually said he meant we can’t be as defensive. So all is good. Although if you play defensive and win 4-1 that’s very good
 
Judas said:
People melting down over those comments is classic Caf.
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It is not meltdown. You get excited for some things and worried for other things. Normal things in fan's life.
Most of us wanted Erik because we liked Ajax style. And then he made that famous quote about "lets be transition team".

Of course then that this type of quote is something which gets reaction.
 
Shark said:
Seriously? you believe he can just magically transport Sporting's way of playing, and mentality over to United, just like that?
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Of course not. But my hope is that he will try. Erik gave up from his style after 6 months and never went back on it.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Even if this is not the proper quote. He said we shouldn't be as defensive. This is a very worrying. He just smashed City playing that way and Sporting have a sht load of goals this season. Why change it? ETH's biggest fk up was throwing his whole philosophy out the window and trying to play 'transition' football.
PLease for the love of all things dont change your philosophy. Yes tweak it to cope with the Premier league. Its very different. But not because you want to accomodate Rashford or to play the 'United Way' Or any other nonsense.
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Yeah I really hope he doesn't fall into the trap of thinking we have to be a 'transition' side. After what we've witnessed under the last guy I'll settle for pragmatic.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
It is not meltdown. You get excited for some things and worried for other things. Normal things in fan's life.
Most of us wanted Erik because we liked Ajax style. And then he made that famous quote about "lets be transition team".

Of course then that this type of quote is something which gets reaction.
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It hasn't just been you but there has been similar reactions since yesterday without taking the context into consideration. I can see why people would be apprehensive about the comments in the tweets as it was a cause for frustration for a lot of people after spending £100s millions on a team, EtH couldnt them to play like Ajax or even get them to play some decent football. More like plucky underdogs.

The wider context, he was asked how yesterday's game would impact on his approach with United. He basically said it wouldn't because we should play that defensively. He had already said that they were a bit lucky and they didn't play well.
 
Do you worriers really believe Berrada has appointed Amorim with a brief to rip up what you do and be pragmatic please?

What planet are you lot on :lol:
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I don’t mind the system and approach, especially since it’s better suited for a 343 than it was Ten Hags 424 thing. But the key (as always) is having real athletes at the back and in midfield that can compress that space out of possession to help gain control. Our biggest issue in majority of those Ten Hag disasters was having a backline unable to step up and defend high and wide and midfielders that (already weren’t incredibly gifted physically) be forced to defend impossible amounts of pace.
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The problem was not the defenders, but the gap between defence and the one man left in the midfield, Amorims system will immediately solve that issue
 
Bobby_2024 said:
I wish we hadn't wasted 400M on ETH signings and have all that money now to get in players under new management team! one can only dream
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We could say that about every manager since Moyes. The manager/coach should work with the players we have and make the team better through coaching, we can’t keep signing a new squad every 2/3 years.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Is it true Ashworth sold Gyokares for £1m?
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Yes when he was at Brighton but not making the cut. Brighton brought him in from Sweden and he spent 3 or 4 different loans out including to Coventry who then bought him after 6 months loan for 1m. This was 2 years after signing from Sweden

Coventry sold him for 20m
 
golden_blunder said:
Yes when he was at Brighton but not making the cut. Brighton brought him in from Sweden and he spent 3 or 4 different loans out including to Coventry who then bought him after 6 months loan for 1m. This was 2 years after signing from Sweden

Coventry sold him for 20m
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He's hardly going to come out and say yes I will play 3-4-3 and do this and do that at United in a press conference for his current club.

We might not play 3-4-3 at the start but it could develop into that once he figures out his players and gets time training with them.
 
Probably the only other plus (the other giving Ruud more time at the helm) of him staying at Sporting for these few games.

Beating City in the manner they did is such a huge scalp for Amorim. The players realise what kind of coach they are getting and that if the players want to be as good as they think they are, they need to listen to the man.

I think the club will know that we have a special managerial talent at the helm - give him space to do his bit, get rid of the players who don’t buy into his coaching and let the club grow. We’ll need to be patient - if he can get us to +15 goal difference, then that’s an instant improvement and something to work with ahead of next season.

I’m ridiculously excited for him.
 
golden_blunder said:
You make it sound like it’s the same players at the club since the dawn of man. ETH changed 75% of the squad. That really should be enough to change this silly narrative. ETH’s coaching was either not up to scratch or he wasn’t clearly getting his ideas across. The fault lay with him.
Amorim by all accounts makes it simple to understand and players love him for it. Can’t wait
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I didn’t. I was referring to a culture of slacking at our club that has been prevalent since Fergie left. There’s a reason why all our signings have either been flops or flattered to deceive aside from Zlatan, Bruno and Mazraoui.
 
Zed 101 said:
The problem was not the defenders, but the gap between defence and the one man left in the midfield, Amorims system will immediately solve that issue
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The problem was both. We don’t have defenders that defend high and wide well at all (barring Yoro), and on top of that you had the infamous midfield gap. Both have to be rectified
 
Tarrou said:
I don't think there was a gazumping involved, I just think he preferred United (just my opinion)
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I said the other day there was a report he told the portugese press he wanted the challenge of bringing Utd back to the top, moreso than any other challenge. It makes me think how quick it was done if this was going to happen in the summer, but we are that poor Ineos brought it forward.
 
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