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Another thing I heard was he trains players to play other positions, eg wingers to be wing backs. Maybe Garnacho and Amad could do this role
He didn’t say he would change his style, he said he wouldn’t be able to play like yesterday. Which is obvious. He doesn’t play like he did yesterday on the portuguese League and he won’t play like this with Man Utd players on his hands.Isn’t this exactly what ETH said when he joined. Cant play the way his Ajax team did. A managers style is the reason teams go after them. I hope he doesn’t change his preferred style.
yes, Sporting have a lot of goals this season… playing with average 67%\68% ball possession and dominating the game with the ball in our possession. That’s not exactly what happened vs City right?Even if this is not the proper quote. He said we shouldn't be as defensive. This is a very worrying. He just smashed City playing that way and Sporting have a sht load of goals this season. Why change it? ETH's biggest fk up was throwing his whole philosophy out the window and trying to play 'transition' football.
PLease for the love of all things dont change your philosophy. Yes tweak it to cope with the Premier league. Its very different. But not because you want to accomodate Rashford or to play the 'United Way' Or any other nonsense.
Don’t worry about this. We love nitpicking and panicking over every little thing here on Redcafe. It’s great that he is ready to adapt his set up and game play to an opponent who are obviously stronger than them. Does not mean that is how he will play against every team.He didn’t say he would change his style, he said he wouldn’t be able to play like yesterday. Which is obvious. He doesn’t play like he did yesterday on the portuguese League and he won’t play like this with Man Utd players on his hands.
If you see a Sporting game at the portuguese League, it’s very different from yesterday’s performance in terms of how high we press, how much time do we have the ball, etc. the only similarity? It’s always really good football.
yes, Sporting have a lot of goals this season… playing with average 67%\68% ball possession and dominating the game with the ball in our possession. That’s not exactly what happened vs City right?
That’s what he meant. What this game proves is that beside being a great offensive dominating coach, he can also make his team defend and adapt to a stronger opponent when needed.
How is this not a great thing…?
He’s not a fool. He knows the miserable state of the club as well as how prestigious and historic it is. This is one of the biggest jobs in football.I know I shouldn't as a Utd supporter but I actually feel sorry for the guy. Sporting looks like such a happy camp with players working their arses off for each other. He's in for a shock when he comes to the misery that is United and players that cant be arsed.
I cannot keep up with all the videos posted but I felt this was a good watch.
Shot distance and absolute number of shots was quite interesting. It suits Hojlund quite well.
Im near certain that players that can't change their game will be dropped. I don't really see where Rashford fits yet.Unfortunately, Garnacho and Rashford do not suit Hojlund at all with their absolute refusal to pass the ball to him. Actually, it's not just to him - it's to anyone at all. The ball gets sucked into a black hole whenever it reaches one of them, and barely (if ever) comes back out.
I didn’t. I was referring to a culture of slacking at our club that has been prevalent since Fergie left. There’s a reason why all our signings have either been flops or flattered to deceive aside from Zlatan, Bruno and Mazraoui.
I hope so. For all of the failings of Ten Hag, his persistence with continually playing Rashford, I think, was one of the architects of his downfall. He showed faith and was let down. Massively.Im near certain that players that can't change their game will be dropped. I don't really see where Rashford fits yet.
He played that there cause it made sense. He will play whatever makes sense hereHe's hardly going to come out and say yes I will play 3-4-3 and do this and do that at United in a press conference for his current club.
We might not play 3-4-3 at the start but it could develop into that once he figures out his players and gets time training with them.
I'm not sure what the confusion is here. We clearly spent the entire last season playing 4141 with two attacking midfielders positioned significantly ahead of a DM, so the intention was for Mount and Bruno to play those two attacking positions. That's how we started the season, then due to Mount's first injury McTominay took that spot and continued to play the same way. Mainoo started off getting games as the DM in that formation while Casemiro was out, then once Casemiro came back Mainoo took over from McTominay as the second attacking midfielder (he probably did help the actual midfield a touch more than Mount or McTominay did, but he was still more of an attacking midfielder than a central midfielder).Mount 55m - Why? When you have Bruno who plays every game? What system was he going to play to accomodate him? People say 4-3-3 with Bruno and Mount, who was the 3rd meant to be because he had already earmarked Mainoo to break into the 8?
Indeed.Unfortunately, Garnacho and Rashford do not suit Hojlund at all with their absolute refusal to pass the ball to him. Actually, it's not just to him - it's to anyone at all. The ball gets sucked into a black hole whenever it reaches one of them, and barely (if ever) comes back out.
He's left Sporting in a far better place than when he took on that gig. A few years before he arrived a group of around 50 people forced their way into Sportings training centre and assaulted players and staff when they didn't qualify for Europe.I know I shouldn't as a Utd supporter but I actually feel sorry for the guy. Sporting looks like such a happy camp with players working their arses off for each other. He's in for a shock when he comes to the misery that is United and players that cant be arsed.
If there’s slacking/laziness, then it’s up to the coach to sort it out or get rid. I refer back to your original assertion that it’s the players getting the coaches sacked. I disagree.I didn’t. I was referring to a culture of slacking at our club that has been prevalent since Fergie left. There’s a reason why all our signings have either been flops or flattered to deceive aside from Zlatan, Bruno and Mazraoui.
I'm not sure what the confusion is here. We clearly spent the entire last season playing 4141 with two attacking midfielders positioned significantly ahead of a DM, so the intention was for Mount and Bruno to play those two attacking positions. That's how we started the season, then due to Mount's first injury McTominay took that spot and continued to play the same way. Mainoo started off getting games as the DM in that formation while Casemiro was out, then once Casemiro came back Mainoo took over from McTominay as the second attacking midfielder (he probably did help the actual midfield a touch more than Mount or McTominay did, but he was still more of an attacking midfielder than a central midfielder).
Mainoo was certainly going to play a decent amount of matches, but ETH wouldn't have gone into last season expecting him to be first choice. Plus with the amount of games that we play we need to be able to rotate, and if Mount had actually stayed fit then there was obviously a position there for him in that system.
Of course, this season we've played more of a 4231 again so now it was much harder to figure out where he would play. Which would have still made his purchase a waste in the long-term, but it did make sense based on what ETH originally wanted to do.
Now that Amorim is coming in, it will likely all change again. It appears his formation at Sporting is best described as a 3421, so Mount might be a good fit again in the '2'. If he can stay fit.
This is exactly the kind of thing written about ETH when he was arriving at MUFC.I think the club will know that we have a special managerial talent at the helm - give him space to do his bit, get rid of the players who don’t buy into his coaching and let the club grow. We’ll need to be patient - if he can get us to +15 goal difference, then that’s an instant improvement and something to work with ahead of next season.
I’m ridiculously excited for him.
In fairness, isn't Rashford our "star" player?I hope so. For all of the failings of Ten Hag, his persistence with continually playing Rashford, I think, was one of the architects of his downfall. He showed faith and was let down. Massively.
Based upon very little I am going to boldly predict Mount becomes a key Amorim player*
*for about 40 minutes before he gets injured
Based upon very little I am going to boldly predict Mount becomes a key Amorim player*
*for about 40 minutes before he gets injured
If only he were made of BusquetsTo be honest think he’d have been key for Ten Hag if he wasn’t made of biscuits. Bless him.
The long term plan was to play the 4141, with Mount being the one he wanted playing next to Bruno. He's not going to build a system and make long term plans based on an 18yo kid who had played less than 90 minutes of first team football. It was clear that both Mount and McTominay were playing at a similar field height as Bruno was, and the fact that it was completely different than Scott had ever played before shows it was how ETH was actively setting us up to play. That was his system. It was then up to Mainoo to fit into that system, with ETH developing him to do so over time. Mainoo's natural inclination meant he did it in a different way, but he arguably still played more as an attacker than a midfielder. He then pushed his way into the strongest lineup (partly due to his good performances and partly due to Mount's injuries and poor performances) earlier than expected.What do you mean you are not sure about the confusion, it is actually quite apparent, you have eluded to it too. What was the long term plan?
Mount was a 10 at Chelsea, McTominay and Kobbie are not the same profile of players, regardless of what you say, those 3 do not have the same qualities or attributes.
Mount is more in the Bruno mould than the other 2. There was no plan from Ten Hag, which was the issue, the players he bought to what he played, showed he had no clue.
He bought Anonty for the RW, a player he knows so he knows his strengths and weaknesses, he is more in the Amad mould but instead he insisted on using completely different profiles in Rashford / Garnacho in that position.
That is my point, he wasted alot of money with 0 plan. Also, this narrative that it was a 4-1-4-1 and this season 4-2-3-1 is incorrect.
We started to pay a 4-2-4 formation end of last season and this.. so where was the plan for Mount? Mainoo has never played in the 2 upfront to say he is same profile as Mount.
The long term plan was to play the 4141, with Mount being the one he wanted playing next to Bruno. He's not going to build a system and make long term plans based on an 18yo kid who had played less than 90 minutes of first team football. It was clear that both Mount and McTominay were playing at a similar field height as Bruno was, and the fact that it was completely different than Scott had ever played before shows it was how ETH was actively setting us up to play. That was his system. It was then up to Mainoo to fit into that system, with ETH developing him to do so over time. Mainoo's natural inclination meant he did it in a different way, but he arguably still played more as an attacker than a midfielder. He then pushed his way into the strongest lineup (partly due to his good performances and partly due to Mount's injuries and poor performances) earlier than expected.
I call it 4141 and 4231 due to that being the best description in my eyes to show the difference between how we played last season and this season. It's not a perfect description as there's so much rotation (for example Dalot sometimes inverting into midfield and sometimes staying out wide to join the attack), and there are some games where it's still been closer to how we played last season. But in general last season we were leaving the DM completely isolated, whereas this season it's a more normal setup where he's not being hung out to dry. Hence why we're not conceding 20+ shots every game. It's not the only reason, but that 2nd midfielder helping out a bit more is part of it.
ETH did have a plan. It was just an absolute shit plan, and some of the players he was planning around (such as Antony and Mount) lost their spot to different players that we already had as they, and the team as a whole, performed better.
The changes this season may have been due to ETH realising what he originally wanted to do wasn't working, or it may have been Wilcox and/or Ashworth telling him to dial it back a bit. But Mount clearly did fit the original plan, which is why I don't understand why people (not just you) say that his signing didn't make sense as we didn't have a role for him. We did, but it didn't work.
Unfortunately, Garnacho and Rashford do not suit Hojlund at all with their absolute refusal to pass the ball to him. Actually, it's not just to him - it's to anyone at all. The ball gets sucked into a black hole whenever it reaches one of them, and barely (if ever) comes back out.
The analysis that the media do is nowhere near the standard that top clubs need to actually use and implement a counter plan.There's a small, ABU conspiracy orientated part of me that makes me feel the over abundance of coverage of Amorim's system is to give the rest of the league ample time to find ways to stop it.
I've never seen an incoming manager have his tactics and even personality over-analysed like this by the media.
If they are trying to jinx us then I counteract their jinx and no backsies.![]()
Definitely high risk, high reward. If he fails he will be ridiculed but people will understand that he jumped on into a poisoned chalice so it will easier to restart elsewhere albeit at a lower level. If he succeeds, my word the power he will be able to wield within the club and the in the transfer market will be immense.
He has taken a huge risk but if he somehow makes it he will instantly join the upper echelons of football management kinda like how Klopp built his legacy.
The big hope would be that we have finally solved our recruitment issues and we can now efficiently turn the squad around for him. If Ashworth and Co can bring five top class, top class not expensive, additions in the summer to complement some of the good players we have and we start to enjoy incremental improvement, year on year, he will do great things here.
There's a small, ABU conspiracy orientated part of me that makes me feel the over abundance of coverage of Amorim's system is to give the rest of the league ample time to find ways to stop it.
I've never seen an incoming manager have his tactics and even personality over-analysed like this by the media.
If they are trying to jinx us then I counteract their jinx and no backsies.![]()
Can you dumb this down for me?The analysis that the media do is nowhere near the standard that top clubs need to actually use and implement a counter plan.
Media analysis is for dummies like us![]()
Ruben obviously wears the finest Balenciaga foil apparel to block the media mind rays from seeing his brand of underpants.While I applaud the tin-foil hat nature of this - I don't think its anything more then the fact that we're Manchester United and us having a new manager because our last one was crap is literally the biggest news story in football.
Any and all angles will be covered in-depth.
I cannot keep up with all the videos posted but I felt this was a good watch.
Shot distance and absolute number of shots was quite interesting. It suits Hojlund quite well.
Agree.If you want to compare him to Ten Hag, compare to Ten Hag in his first ~6 months. That's about it. Because after that he abandoned his plans and went to the wrong direction. So saying "but Ten Hag failed..." is not a valid comparison when you take account of a new manager. People change. Ten Hag definitely changed. He abandoned anything resembling 'structure' and 'pattern' to develop Oleball 2.0. I will never understand it.
Nah we're just a massive club and generate far more interest than most other clubs.There's a small, ABU conspiracy orientated part of me that makes me feel the over abundance of coverage of Amorim's system is to give the rest of the league ample time to find ways to stop it.
I've never seen an incoming manager have his tactics and even personality over-analysed like this by the media.
If they are trying to jinx us then I counteract their jinx and no backsies.![]()
The only time he dramatically changed plan was in his first season when he realised he couldn't implement what he wanted so largely went back to Ole-ball. Well, I guess there was also the last few games of last season in preparation for the FA Cup final, although I suspect that was Wilcox suggesting/demanding it rather than ETH doing it by himself.You say that he isnt going to make a long term plan based on a 18 yr old and say he changed styles which shows he had no plan.
He came into season 1 with a plan.. 2 games in shelved the plan and went to a counter attacking style for the duration of season 1, relying on Rashford.
Season 2 pre season tries this 4-1-4-1 system that completely failed.. you say that the team performed better? Last season was one of our worst in terms of results and performances, so no I disagree. The team did not perform better.
Then into season 3 he started with a 4-2-4 system.. 3rd season and he has changed his styles 4 times, none of them that worked. No it didn't make sense because he shelved the plan in 3 games.
Having a plan is something you believe in.. he clearly didn't believe in anything he was doing. Mount is not the only example of this... he spoke about how Maguire / Varane cant play LCB because of angles and rest defence... but they played there.
Mount has barely played in the 8, he wanted to mould him into that.. Ten Hag had managed to mould nothing and no player has improved... they have all actually regressed under his coaching.
I cannot keep up with all the videos posted but I felt this was a good watch.
Shot distance and absolute number of shots was quite interesting. It suits Hojlund quite well.
There's a small, ABU conspiracy orientated part of me that makes me feel the over abundance of coverage of Amorim's system is to give the rest of the league ample time to find ways to stop it.
I've never seen an incoming manager have his tactics and even personality over-analysed like this by the media.
If they are trying to jinx us then I counteract their jinx and no backsies.![]()
I don't really agree with this. The only time we looked decent under ETH was when he was playing Oleball in his first season. He started off trying to do his own thing but we got ripped apart in the first couple of games, so we then basically reverted to how we played under Ole for the remainder of that season. We arguably had a better defence and midfield but a worse attack than what we had under Ole, but the general style of play was very similar.If you want to compare him to Ten Hag, compare to Ten Hag in his first ~6 months. That's about it. Because after that he abandoned his plans and went to the wrong direction. So saying "but Ten Hag failed..." is not a valid comparison when you take account of a new manager. People change. Ten Hag definitely changed. He abandoned anything resembling 'structure' and 'pattern' to develop Oleball 2.0. I will never understand it.