That just goes to show the importance of being organized as a team.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The system is very much the issue, we are conceeding goals due the backline being too far forward and not having the pace to get back quickly enough to stop goals being scored for quick counters plus we create very little and managed only 2 shots on target today.
Players missing the target is not related to the system.
He switched back to his original plan when Sabitzer was brought in and went to his 4-1-4-1 formation. What killed him was his total inability to go away from that, had about 50-60 games in a row of the midfield being destroyed trying to cover impossible spaces. That changed at the Arsenal home game last year when he finally tried to get numbers into the midfield and Utd brought that into the cup final.
His principles didn't work in England, and there is no virtue in being incapable of adapting.
Amorin will have to adapt until he gets the players he wants or he won't be here long enough to get them.
Which is fine. My point , it's the new group of players. We can't keep saying it's the players . Amorim has been appalling and he is sticking with his defensive weird formation without having the right players. Either change yourself or you will be changed.
They created roughly twice as much xG as we did
With how little we're creating, 100% conversion rate is needed.
No team has nor will ever have that.
Of course it is when those are all coming from ridiculous places due to the system not allowing us to create proper clear cut chances for our attackers.
Fair enough my bad
The squad isn't good enough, and the manager aren't doing good enough. Doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
We've literally just signed a wingback so..
Pretty sure we said exactly the same thing when we employed:
LVG
Mou
Ole
ETH
But hey, it’ll DEFINITELY be different this time, despite him starting much shitter than all the rest.
How’s about we stop this “manager” will fix everything experiment? It’s daft and expensive.
Buy players for the club, not a specific manager.
So why have we decided to change to a new formation that will probably require more investment than we would have needed otherwise?
That’s what makes them good coaches. If a manager has to have their own 11 players to realize their vision, I’m not sure that’s even coaching.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but you're absolutely right here
That's not going to happen though. Once again, we are broke.
This guy is Grade A shite. Should've stuck with Ten Hag. Stubborn and totally clueless.
If you've not got the players, play a different system.
If you've not got the players, play a different system.
This is yet another example of how piss poor we’re run at the very top as we should have people above the head coach deciding on how we set up tactically, a United identity, scouting players to fit that set up and a recruitment team to bring in those players.
Instead what we have is a group of players that played 4-2-3-1 under Ole, a clusterfeck and gegenpress under Rangnick, 4-1-4-1 under ETH and now 3-4-2-1 under Amorim and each time it’s a rebuild so the manager has the players to fit his system so the players before are just deadwood and a bad fit for the incoming manager.
From what I’ve seen Amorim’s man management and demands are top notch and he doesn’t accept players giving less than 100% but no one can convince me that 3-4-2-1 is what was decided at the very top as our set up and identity and its yet another feck up from Ineos in bringing in a manager who they knew was married to a formation and that we didn’t have the money to give him what he needs.
Ineos fecked up in keeping ETH then spending £180 million then getting rid of ETH a couple of months into the season then telling Amorim he either joins now or never even though they didn’t have the money to bring players in to fit what he wants, I feel sorry for Amorim as we’re such a fecking shambles and whilst Ineos may have done well in bringing the wage bill down and cutting costs they’re no better than the fecking parasites in what we do on the pitch with their decision making.
Instead what we have is a group of players that played 4-2-3-1 under Ole, a clusterfeck and gegenpress under Rangnick, 4-1-4-1 under ETH and now 3-4-2-1 under Amorim and each time it’s a rebuild so the manager has the players to fit his system so the players before are just deadwood and a bad fit for the incoming manager.
From what I’ve seen Amorim’s man management and demands are top notch and he doesn’t accept players giving less than 100% but no one can convince me that 3-4-2-1 is what was decided at the very top as our set up and identity and its yet another feck up from Ineos in bringing in a manager who they knew was married to a formation and that we didn’t have the money to give him what he needs.
Ineos fecked up in keeping ETH then spending £180 million then getting rid of ETH a couple of months into the season then telling Amorim he either joins now or never even though they didn’t have the money to bring players in to fit what he wants, I feel sorry for Amorim as we’re such a fecking shambles and whilst Ineos may have done well in bringing the wage bill down and cutting costs they’re no better than the fecking parasites in what we do on the pitch with their decision making.
he absolutely has NOT been brought in to do that. his job is to coach the team. we are supposed to have these expensive executives to build the team. why in the name of god would amorim be qualified to do that?
And then kill Hitler, right?
I agree with you, I was pointing out Maguire may have been in our squads but not a consistent starter. We still won trophies with those three, and, we perflrm no bettwr without Rashford than with.
Not good enough so far. I've said it a few times but I'm yet to convinced by the system. We are barely creating anything and at the same time conceding 2-3 goals very regularly.
Unless Hojlund and Zirkzee were both ill I don't see a point in benching them both. 5 defenders, a defensive mid and two other mids at home seems just too negative. Other teams constantly have 4 or 5 players in the opposition box which creates more opportunities for their players while we only have 1 lone striker in the box and expecting them to do everything with 4 defenders around them.
And no, we arent as bad as we are currently showing. We have become worse than we were under ETH. Same complain as before, not a single player looks to be benefiting from this system.
Unless Hojlund and Zirkzee were both ill I don't see a point in benching them both. 5 defenders, a defensive mid and two other mids at home seems just too negative. Other teams constantly have 4 or 5 players in the opposition box which creates more opportunities for their players while we only have 1 lone striker in the box and expecting them to do everything with 4 defenders around them.
And no, we arent as bad as we are currently showing. We have become worse than we were under ETH. Same complain as before, not a single player looks to be benefiting from this system.
Hey , I have nothing against this guy and want him to succeed . But he isn't going to get 3 or 4 windows to get his team. You have to adapt. We are losing home games at an alarming rate. If he doesn't change, he won't make it to March.
Overreaction much? We still wouldn't get top 4. Let him get the players he needs, then judge. Want to blame anyone, then blame Ineos.
Myself, like many others, am not under the illusion that our squad is something to write home about, but ask yourselves, would that bald cnut Slut have us in a better position than Amorim is? As much as it pains me to admit it, he would.
We were not far off top 4, and if we had a manager who could get results we could be in there. Our run was easy, city collapsed completely. Instead, we had an even WORSE collapse because Amorrim wanted to put square pegs in round holes.
He's had a shocker today
While none of its great, he's had long enough now to see what works and what dosnt, seems to have went out of his way today to go with what dosnt.
While none of its great, he's had long enough now to see what works and what dosnt, seems to have went out of his way today to go with what dosnt.
And Judas for being a snitch.
Ole lost 6 PL home games in his 3 years at United. Amorim has lost 5 PL home games out of his 7 available.
Exactly, it doesn’t have to be one or the other, they are both underperforming. We know the players who we need to replace but does Amorim have it in him to get them performing to a better level.
We can say we expect to ‘suffer’ but they’ve all had enough training sessions to be getting better. We still don’t look any closer to being a team.
How dare you say the emperor has no clothes on!
I see half the forum has already turned on the new manager. Didn’t take long.
Ops, i swear it was supposed to be Slot. Ffs
Covid football and counter attack. Not interested.
Winning matches is so 2020
Yeah but we've had, what, three months of Amorim...and it's nearly always Mazraoui and Dalot...and it never works or looks like working
Stop deflecting. It's bad no matter how you try to spin it. Ole couldn't help 2020 being what it was.
So Guardiola is not a good coach by this logic, he required his own players, Tixi came into city a year or so before and did work on buying his type of players. Even after that it took him a few £100m's to get his defence profile right.
His team has fell off a cliff and guess what, he is buying himself out of it.
This squad is mediocre and let's not kid ourselves, McTominay saved us many times last season, this season Amad is doing the same, we can't keep relying on individual brilliance to save us.
We clearly have a bad squad, in my opinion Collyer played better in our last match, than Ugarte today, and helped control the midfield better, if Ugarte continues erratically like today we need to start Collyer ahead of him.
Ruben made some mistakes today but that does not excuse the level of the squad. It's rubbish.