3 wins? Not sure what you're referring to there. There's no cherry-picking: those 3 have been everpresent in our infuriating mediocrity over the years. And the failing has been for year, not just today. Grow up.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Failing to do the bare minimum, with a style of play that is a horrendous fit for these players. No players have improved, no part of our game has improved. There's basically nothing other than blind faith left that indicates that this will somehow become good.
Kobbie hitting the post, Garnacho deflected first half. second half we had a good chance with bruno getting a cutback and then Ugarte i think also had a decent chance where Maguire knocked it down for him. I think we were good enough to get at least one goal today, that's how i feel. The defending is what crucially let us down.
I mean that’s not true at all is it?
Everyone wanted ETH (aka “The One”) to get a war chest to buy his own players until they’d judge him, much like Ole and Mourinho before him.
After 2 years and hundreds of millions the same fans realised he probably wasn’t good enough.
We can keep doing this, building a full new squad for every new manager or…..
We can build a squad for the fecking club, not a specific manger and employ coaches to fecking coach them, and if they can’t, bring someone else.
Putting “faith” in managers has fecked us for 12 years, STOP FECKING DOING IT!!
Do you think that he would do that if he could? Or are we blaming him for not spending INEOS money that we don’t have?
We’ll find out when he actually as players suited to it. We’re talking about a manager that battered city with sporting.
Not play with wingbacks.
I agree, blind faith and pure optimism is the lifeline of our fan base...not the whole fan base, but a great majority.
Also "holier than thou" virtue signaling is quite frankly appalling.
I love him and have full faith in him but he keeps doing same mistake; rotating too much. By now, he should know what player fits the best for each position.
And playing without striker is his worst call so far.
And playing without striker is his worst call so far.
When did I say anything about Rashford? I'm glad he's gone.
The decisions made last summer have wrecked the season and maybe beyond. If they didn't want Amorim then, get somebody else that suited the squad makeup. Instead they didn't, nobody was good enough for them or wanted to work for us under the constraints put in by SJR and Co. Who exactly are they looking for. If they kept ETH they should have said work with what you have and saved the money. Trouble is they thought he couldn't get any worse so spent even more money to make things worse. I know Hojlund isn't ready yet, so lets bring in another lad who isn't a striker either. What were they thinking.
Change what? The principles or players? We all moaned when ETH changed his principles for something different. I bet he didn’t have the right type of players when he took over sporting… who I may add now have a manager that’s playing a back 4 and there losing games as he doesn’t have the right players.
Yes that’s what im saying. Sunshine and roses and all that.
There’s no perspective in the posts I’m referring to. No thought of “hmm I wonder if sacking yet another manager will have us in the same position 9 months down the line, but this time in dark green”.
Patience seems to be a value completely deleted from football too. We have no right to win, especially with the way we’ve been mismanaged. Some things take time and we will never ever get back to where people think we have a right to be if we keep doing the same old routine.
football is a metagame and some clubs are now banking on 3-4-3 being a good match against the transitional counter pressing football that's on top at the moment
I would be carefull to compare our Thursday matches with our Premier League matches. Most of the teams we have played in EL are Championship level at best.
I'm talking about changing his style, or do you mean changing half the squad is easier?
Needs to stop shoe horning players. Bruno isn’t a number 6. Play collier with ugarte instead. Mainoo as a number 10 looked good in the week. Stick with it. Time to stop fecking about now.
Least that was the last time before Dorgu and hopefully a forward come in. Really hope they can help us in the final third because we're absolutely toothless.
That's where we fecked up all along. If they wanted LVG style but more attractive to watch, get someone in who plays that, except we went to the other end of the scale. Absolute madness.
Looks like it, doesn't it?
It's on the club. Why do we have a football structure if it doesn't set the direction of the club?
The club i.e. the CEO and Technical Director should have a view of what's possible and recruit a coach and players to fit that.
You would never see Barcelona appoint a coach who plays 5 at the back and no wingers. Barcelona know what they are, know what they want to be and they recruit against that. Then the coaches job is to get the best out of the players.
When they first came in that's what INEOS promised: That the football side would choose how we want to play. So how are we still in a situation where the manager is seemingly choosing 'his' players?
The club should be making smart choices based on their players. Not appointing coaches and then scrambling to make everything fit.
People keep claiming things have changed but I feel like this is exactly how Richard Arnold and Ed Woodward would have done it. People are just wanting to believe in change and convincing themselves it's happening.
@Toshey I don't think anyone should be judging Amorim -too- harshly right now, given that they are Ten Hags squad.
But we really have been abysmal since he took over and there's no real feeling at OT for happy clapping. I don't care what you think of our players, getting done by an awful, awful Crystal Palace side at home is just not acceptable for any manager. Ten Hag got done 4-nothing by this absolute nothing team, and now Amorim has been done by them. It's nothing new or anything, but it's not really something to celebrate right now is it?
At this point , as has already been said, some academy players might boost morale, a change of formation just to show a bit of adaptability, some motivation for the players, anything at this point would be enough to get people at least on side. But it's not happening for Ruben at the minute.
But we really have been abysmal since he took over and there's no real feeling at OT for happy clapping. I don't care what you think of our players, getting done by an awful, awful Crystal Palace side at home is just not acceptable for any manager. Ten Hag got done 4-nothing by this absolute nothing team, and now Amorim has been done by them. It's nothing new or anything, but it's not really something to celebrate right now is it?
At this point , as has already been said, some academy players might boost morale, a change of formation just to show a bit of adaptability, some motivation for the players, anything at this point would be enough to get people at least on side. But it's not happening for Ruben at the minute.
That was torture, Barca played with no recognised CF when they kept possession so well for a few years. Crazy for us to do this. After 30 mins or even half time get CF on. Game was there for the taking. So many missed passes, love Amad but how many times did he give the ball away. Think Amorim missed a trick with his tactics, which is not the players fault for once.
We can build a squad for a manager who has a sense of direction and a firm style he wants to implement.
ETH let go of his idea of football immediately, 2 bad results in. He was given way too much freedom and catastrophically was allowed to sing Antony for huge money, Mason Mount, Hojlund on Joao Pedro/Mitoma money and Zirkzee of all people.
Don't really see Amorim desperate to buy "only players he has worked with before".
Our team can't score a goal and that should be adressed immediately. If the board leaves him without a striker this window, we are fecked. And I think dropping both Hojlund and Zirzkee today was more a message to the boar, than anything.
We also payed a bunch of part timers who were absolutely shit outside of a couple of attacking spells. They couldn’t string more than 2 passes together without giving the ball away.
There’s no silver bullet here. Playing Maino as a 10 isn’t all of a sudden going to address all our issues.
Mate no striker in the world is going to score if there are little to no chances being created.
Maybe adapt, try different options, don't play 5 at the back constantly.
United haven't been able to freely score goals for years...not just the last few months.
That problem is gonna require some changes and experimentation...todays approach was another L but credit him for trying something new.
If only United could play in EL opposition every match.
That problem is gonna require some changes and experimentation...todays approach was another L but credit him for trying something new.
If only United could play in EL opposition every match.
Today he got it wrong and it looked utterly clueless and almost pathetic by the end.
I don't understand, for the life of me, why he didn't play Amad as a wing back? Or why he had Bruno in a fecking pivot and Mainoo as a false 9. But Amad at wing back is one of his few 'round pegs in square holes' that has actually worked, because it has helped us penetrate from wide positions and offered a threat on the overlap.
A low block defence will snuff out three attackers all day long, especially when two of those are out wide and have no real support at all from the wing backs. He adapted his system today because he played actual widemen but they were feeding Mainoo, who's got no idea what he's doing.
I felt sorry for the players today because that was just pitiful from a managerial perspective.
I don't understand, for the life of me, why he didn't play Amad as a wing back? Or why he had Bruno in a fecking pivot and Mainoo as a false 9. But Amad at wing back is one of his few 'round pegs in square holes' that has actually worked, because it has helped us penetrate from wide positions and offered a threat on the overlap.
A low block defence will snuff out three attackers all day long, especially when two of those are out wide and have no real support at all from the wing backs. He adapted his system today because he played actual widemen but they were feeding Mainoo, who's got no idea what he's doing.
I felt sorry for the players today because that was just pitiful from a managerial perspective.
His principles. His job is to get the best out of the current group. There's no glory in losing so many games. We just don't have the ingredients for his recipe. He can surely wait till the summer for it.
The record with Mazraoui x Dalot as wing backs at the same time is awful.
Not saying it changes the result, but he didn’t need to do that out of necessity today.
His pass is wearing thin with some of these weird lineups, it can’t all just be the players imo. No need to play Mainoo in that position on the back of an excellent performance as a 10.
Not saying it changes the result, but he didn’t need to do that out of necessity today.
His pass is wearing thin with some of these weird lineups, it can’t all just be the players imo. No need to play Mainoo in that position on the back of an excellent performance as a 10.
We have to drop Mazraoui. Dalot makes these runs more often, but his end product has been lacking. Maz doesn’t make the runs and on the rare occasion he does, his end product has been lacking too, and doesn’t have the pace to cover back on a turnover. He’s such a bad fit for the position.
I guess Amorim knows because he’s tried a couple of times now with Amad at RWB, or switching Dalot to the right and playing Malacia on the left. Problem with the first option is we’re light on attackers who are in form for the front 3, and with the latter that Malacia is even worse.
Dorgu will bench Mazraoui or force him back to RCB and that should improve things. But that is just one problem, the team has a lot of other problems
Yup, the whole structure is rotten.
I remember reading the report regarding Liverpool's interest in Amorim, and them ultimately backing off out of fear about his ability to adapt to PL.
Feels like we thoroughly panicked when ETH became untenable
I’m seeing absolutely nothing in him that convinces me that he’s the right man for the job.
This is far worse than i could ever have imagined.
This is far worse than i could ever have imagined.
Do you think these players could do better in a different system? Or are they good enough to play for United in the first place? Have you seen anything from a majority of these players that makes you believe there is a manager that can get them firing? If they’re is then just sack Amorim and get that guy. The reality is, a lot of these players have to go because they were signed to play for Ten Hag in a system he abandoned
That is to do with the system, mate.
When Tanhag changes his principles we actually won something and he kept his Job (FA Cup is one of them). The problem with Ten Hag was when he said he wanted to change to a transition football (what ever that was) but still kept his kamikaze principles of forgetting that a midfield exists.
Quite a lot of managers have vested City this season tbf. The problem with appointing was always the level of vhange to find players that fit his style and then we are like to have to go back to a different system if he goes