Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

I really really want him to succeed, but whatever he's trying to do, particularly at home isn't working. If it's truly the players, promote some academy players at this point. This cannot continue.
 
Jev said:
We have the odd good attack but there’s no shape to our game, no sustained pressure, no control. It’s just weird, defensive, shapeless football with no visible style or identity.
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First 15 today is the style but with a direct left wingback, a wrong footed right wingback and a proper striker
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Reading between the lines, I believe this is why Ashworth was advocating for a transitional "steady the ship" manager with PL experience for the next few seasons, instead of a transformative one who would require significant investment that we're unable to commit to.

Of course, he lost that power struggle and was sacked for it.
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Well if that steady-the-ship manager was to be Southgate, then I'm glad he got sacked.
 
Fracture90 said:
Twelve years in, and some people are still peddling the same ol' "he needs his players" BS excuses.

If a manager needs a full squad of "his" players to show a glimpse of improvement, than that guy is a no manager to begi with.

After 4 months we should be seeing at least some semblance of order and improvement, so that we can focus on shortcomings and improve upon come summer...but under Amorim we appear as clueless as ever.
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Amen. You coach your players and improve them. Not buy a new set every time
 
He's a nice guy and I respect him, but we're so much worse now. If half the squad doesn't fit your principles, then change them.
 
Personally I find the complete system inflexibility a bit silly. But let’s just take it as read that he isn’t changing that for better or worse.

However… we have now seen countless games with Maz and Dalot at WB. We have been terrible pretty much every time. All of our best football has been with at least one attacking WB, usually Amad.

So yeh the squad is crap. And yeh he needs replacements. But what is the defence for making that decision over and over. He very much deserves criticism for that at the very least.
 
"We should get ETH he is doing wonders with Ajax" HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE
SACK SACK SACK SACK
"We should get Amorim he is doing wonders with Sporting" HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE
SACK SACK SACK SACK
Now the next one is "We should get Iraola" HIRE HIRE HIRE
Wonder what happens next in his thread if we get him?

It's like reading what seagulls Manchester United fans would sound like.

We have players in the squad who are not better than the players in any bottom 10 PL team. Dalot, Mazraoui, Onana (!), Maguire, Zirkzee, Hojlund, all could be on the bench of Southampton, not getting a sniff. Ugarte looks dangerously close to this level too. I've never seen a group of players so easily bullied on the pitch.
Mainoo, Garnacho and Yoro are too young and inconsistent.

Amad and Bruno are our players that we can count on to create something. Both were shit today.

It's proven again and again - all this team is good for is sitting back and counterattacking big teams. We have players who are nothing more than mid to bottom table level game raisers.
They shit themselves when they need to control a game and be creative.

But the easiest thing to do after a game is to spam against Amorim.

And I GUARANTEE that after our next win, this thread will have no more than 1-2 pages of comments.
We couldn't win today, you didn't get your daily dopamine hit from celebrating a bunch of millionaires winning at kicking a ball, get over it.
What's even the point of supporting a team and posting on redcafe if you are only interested in spewing poison against the manager?
 
waza7111 said:
Once he has brought in players in key positions like ST, CM, RWB, AM and GK, then I will judge him.

I'll give him another year at least no matter what happens between now and then.
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Hypothetically, does that stand even in the case of us getting relegated?
 
Dominant said:
Not sure what game you were watching because we were totally bullied and outplayed.
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Being outplayed is like when we lost 7-0 to Liverpool or the performance against Tottenham earlier this season. Where we couldn't get any sort of control of the game, where we barely had a touch inside the oppositions box. Today we deserved to lose, we didn't take our chances and Palace did. If you can seriously look at both of there goals today and claim its on the manager then that is beyond me, players need to be held accountable.
 
Toshey said:
"We should get ETH he is doing wonders with Ajax" HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE
SACK SACK SACK SACK
"We should get Amorim he is doing wonders with Sporting" HIRE HIRE HIRE HIRE
SACK SACK SACK SACK
Now the next one is "We should get Iraola" HIRE HIRE HIRE
Wonder what happens next in his thread if we get him?

It's like reading what seagulls Manchester United fans would sound like.

We have players in the squad who are not better than the players in any bottom 10 PL team. Dalot, Mazraoui, Onana (!), Maguire, Zirkzee, Hojlund, all could be on the bench of Southampton, not getting a sniff. Ugarte looks dangerously close to this level too. I've never seen a group of players so easily bullied on the pitch.
Mainoo, Garnacho and Yoro are too young and inconsistent.

Amad and Bruno are our players that we can count on to create something. Both were shit today.

It's proven again and again - all this team is good for is sitting back and counterattacking big teams. We have players who are nothing more than mid to bottom table level game raisers.
They shit themselves when they need to control a game and be creative.

But the easiest thing to do after a game is to spam against Amorim.

And I GUARANTEE that after our next win, this thread will have no more than 1-2 pages of comments.
We couldn't win today, you didn't get your daily dopamine hit from celebrating a bunch of millionaires winning at kicking a ball, get over it.
What's even the point of supporting a team and posting on redcafe if you are only interested in spewing poison against the manager?
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I'm deeply sorry United fans weren't wowed by a win vs Steaua Bukarest or Rangers B-team
 
Lentwood said:
We need to try Garnacho and Amad at WB for a few games. Dalot and Mazraoui kill every single attack down the flanks.
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If I'm not mistaken we have scored only 2 goals whenever Dalot and Maz have been wingbacks?
 
I think Amorim has huge potential to be a great manager but we're really fecking things up by making conditions untenable. Still don't think we should have got him so soon without the right investments in January. Better for all parties.
 
JG3001 said:
I’m not saying I want him sacked, saying he’s in a sack worthy position atm. Pretty sure one of Bayern, Barca, Real or PSG have hired and fired managers in the space of a season before.

But I’m done holding the manager in some sort of high esteem, amazed there’s fans out there who still have this pedestal approach to all who come in and take on the impossible challenge.
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In 2004 Real Madrid sacked Queiroz in the summer, got in Camacho and he resigned in September, Had Remon until December (as interim I think), replaced him with Luxemburgo in December, so 4 in one year.
 
Didn't see the game but I expected the same line up he put out for the second half against the Romanian team after the positive showing. Sounds like he changed it all up and it was a terrible performance and has no faith in Hojlund in Zirkee.

If you're going to act Billy Big Bollocks in the press and tell people you concerned about how players dress, how much effort in training they put it and act like some small time sunday league coach calling the team the worst team in Manchester History, drop and humiliate one of highest all time top scorers to show you are the big boss, then , you better show the fruits of your actions.

Love Amorim, but if this keeps up where he doesn't know his arm from his elbow in terms of team selection and can't get a tune out of internationals, that's on him
 
Someone said:
He's a nice guy and I respect him, but we're so much worse now. If half the squad doesn't fit your principles, then change them.
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Oh really that’s the solution? What about changing half the squad and replacing them with players who do for your principles? That’s likely the plan but unfortunately you can’t do that between November and February. But you want him to change his principles for the likes of Dalot, Rashford, etc. who were shite for so many previous managers. Ok.
 
Fracture90 said:
Twelve years in, and some people are still peddling the same ol' "he needs his players" BS excuses.

If a manager needs a full squad of "his" players to show a glimpse of improvement, than that guy is a no manager to begi with.

After 4 months we should be seeing at least some semblance of order and improvement, so that we can focus on shortcomings and improve upon come summer...but under Amorim we appear as clueless as ever.
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We have amazing fans to be fair, no-one ever expects any of our managers to improve anything until they get a full team of their own players.
We’ve been doing this expensive nonsense for 12 years yet they are happy to throw 3 more years & 300 more million at a totally new philosophy again that’ll have to be ripped up when the next guy inevitably doesn’t want to play with wingbacks & 3 central defenders.
 
BBer13 said:
Being outplayed is like when we lost 7-0 to Liverpool or the performance against Tottenham earlier this season. Where we couldn't get any sort of control of the game, where we barely had a touch inside the oppositions box. Today we deserved to lose, we didn't take our chances and Palace did. If you can seriously look at both of there goals today and claim its on the manager then that is beyond me, players need to be held accountable.
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Chances? what chances did we had?
 
jem said:
Well if that steady-the-ship manager was to be Southgate, then I'm glad he got sacked.
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Why, though, when you’ve seen what Amorim has done so far? Do you genuinely think Southgate could be doing worse than one point per game?
 
There's something I don't understand about his "idea" or "system" or whatever you want to call it.

Does Amorim believe:

a) It has some special magic that makes it better than other systems. If so, why don't more coaches use it?

or

b) The system itself is no better than any other, but he is better at coaching this system than alternative systems. In which case, why isn't he capable of coaching other winning systems?
 
Fracture90 said:
Twelve years in, and some people are still peddling the same ol' "he needs his players" BS excuses.

If a manager needs a full squad of "his" players to show a glimpse of improvement, than that guy is a no manager to begi with.

After 4 months we should be seeing at least some semblance of order and improvement, so that we can focus on shortcomings and improve upon come summer...but under Amorim we appear as clueless as ever.
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Urrr

If the managers were all playing the same style of football you might have a point, but when you are going from, for example, counterattacking to counter press to possession based within the three managers it's a bit more complicated
 
jem said:
The smiley was at your ridiculous assertion that you are 100% right. Bruno, Dalot and Maguire have been consistent presences in those teams, and I daresay those 3 were most responsible for today's disaster-class.
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You do realize how ridiculous that sounds , right ? You cherry pick 3 players out of 11 and put a generic statement that it's the same group of players continuously failing for 3-4 years ?
3 wins !! Let that sink it in.
 
#07 said:
Looking at things coldly, there's very little reason for optimism.

Those who believe Amorim will turn things around aren't basing it on anything other than hope. That in itself is a positive: Amorim is charismatic enough to convince people that it's a matter of when not if. However, if you are not bought in, there's little to hold onto.

Our coach and our players are mismatched. Our spending is constrained by FFP. There's questions over the decision making of our CEO and Technical Director. The football is awful and we are now losing at a rate that's untenable. From where does the uptick come?
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This sums it up nicely.

People are lead by pure optimism and nothing else, whilst in truth things are dire and aren't looking to change anytime soon.
 
Danny said:
Not true. Henderson is arguably better than Onana for a start, Mitchell is a prospect and a better LWB than Diogo Dalot, agree on Mateta and Guehi, Sarr is good and would likely improve our team and Eze from their bench today would waltz into our first XI.

We have fallen, and it will take years to sort out.
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Mitchel is a run of the mill WB, Sarr is a midtable attacker, he did well against us playing behind Mateta but his end product is always terrible, and obviously Eze is superior to any player we have now but I said "starters" and he wasn't.

No arguement from me though on how low we have fallen.

pascell said:
We are the canon fodder now.
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Cant argue against our team being a canon fodder now, we are so lucky the bottom 3 are terrible as I do not see us hitting the 40pts mark this season
 
Offside said:
Oh really that’s the solution? What about changing half the squad and replacing them with players who do for your principles? That’s likely the plan but unfortunately you can’t do that between November and February. But you want him to change his principles for the likes of Dalot, Rashford, etc. who were shite for so many previous managers. Ok.
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Dont even think it's "half the squad".

His CB options are good. I agree he needs a LWB, RWB. Needs a CM and a striker too. But Ugarte/Bruno look like good fits in a working system. He's probably 3 key positions short.
 
Drainy said:
Urrr

If the managers were all playing the same style of football you might have a point, but when you are going from, for example, counterattacking to counter press to possession based within the three managers it's a bit more complicated
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Results are all the same though, we're dire.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Unfortunately we can't do that. We are broke. There are very real constraints the club must operate within.
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I’m 100% sure barely any of this squad will be here in 5 years time. That’s how long it may take to have a top side. Not sure what you’re suggesting the alternative is. We’re broke so let’s get someone in who can have Rashford on another purple patch and stick with these bunch of jokers? Seriously, look up the definition of insanity.
 
I am frustrated by the losses but considering our current league situation I honestly don't mind a game like this where we are trying to find a solution. League results mean nothing right now so it's best to try things out now and see what we have available.
 
Fracture90 said:
Twelve years in, and some people are still peddling the same ol' "he needs his players" BS excuses.

If a manager needs a full squad of "his" players to show a glimpse of improvement, than that guy is a no manager to begi with.

After 4 months we should be seeing at least some semblance of order and improvement, so that we can focus on shortcomings and improve upon come summer...but under Amorim we appear as clueless as ever.
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People say square pegs in holes, but then also say he should deal with what he has.
What can you do if you don't have an in form striker and no proper wing (back) options?
 
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