Yep, if we stay this poor until summer, it would be madness by Ineos to back him
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The last manager signed quite a few of them. The way you say it makes it sound like he was weighed down by players he didn't want.
As I predicted.
Silent thread after last few games, today we get unlucky defeat and a bunch of posters are suddenly back from the dead, spamming for dear life.
feck off, really.
Silent thread after last few games, today we get unlucky defeat and a bunch of posters are suddenly back from the dead, spamming for dear life.
feck off, really.
Throwing a load of academy players in to this situation would be terrible for their development.
We have 24 hours to get some players in or Amorim won't see this summer.
I'm not even sure he can use the "this isn't my squad" thing now. He's making very public statements about players and is persisting on a formation that doesn't seem to be working in the Premier League.
Yep. I have some sympathy with him but he's making some glaring tactical mistakes in every league game.
We have the least physical team ever assembled and our 'talents' are some of the most overrated players in the league.
Mainoo and Garnacho would be struggling for minutes off Arsenal's bench, meanwhile we treat them like future Balon D'or winners.
We're exactly where the squad deserves to be.
Mainoo and Garnacho would be struggling for minutes off Arsenal's bench, meanwhile we treat them like future Balon D'or winners.
We're exactly where the squad deserves to be.
I thought we were moving away from this dumpster fire approach with the revamp from top to bottom but here we are again. Implementing a sysytem and buying players that are niche and wont translate well for the next regime.
The issue is that it will take a long time to replace the players he wants to move on. How long will he get? But he also has to get more from this group of players clearly. What positives are we seeing game to game?
We don't attack well at all and we can't defend either.
This criticism would make sense if, as with Moyes, Amorim was brought in with an immediate upturn in form being the priority.
But he wasn't. He was brought in to implement a change in system that would see us struggle in the short term, outright telling the fans to expect pain and suffering for the next several months.
It doesn't make sense to then be overly surprised when those short term struggles then occur, or to compare him to managers who were hired under a completely different premise.
That's nonsense and you know it. They have been in and around the relegation zone for the past several seasons. They haven't got a top ten team, let alone six. We have players in the squad that finished as high as second in other squads here, at the very least we should be sixth. You don't magically turn to shit.
Anyone that won't try stupid shit like playing Mainoo as striker...
Anyone that won't play 6-7 defensive players at Old Trafford...
What’s Iraola up to? 
You think we’ve been unlucky today?
Explain Moyes at Everton.
This is what oppo friends have been saying to me so week. He's being too inflexible, tweak the system to fit what you currently have.
And LVG, and Jose, and Ole, and Rangnick.
Players just simply aren't good enough, it is a squad comprised of players from too many different managers that don't mesh in style.
I look at the squad and whilst don't think we are a top half team when you look at other teams. Purely judging on how our players have played for us and not based on price tag or reputation.
At this pace, relegation battle is not far away.
Right so the plan should be to stick with Rashford, Dalot etc. and coach them? No. We should get someone with a system and vision who can build a squad over 2-3 years. The ship has long since sailed with this squad.
We’ve got to be honest with ourselves. This is appalling. I really like him but this is awful.
I hope now the games calm down a bit he picks a team and as near as damn it, sticks with it. His constant tinkering is frustrating me. He didn't need to change the three centre backs today and yet again he did. He didn't need to move Mainoo from 10 where he played well the other night, of course he does. It's beyond me.
This is fecking dreadful tbh.
Gets my vote.What’s Iraola up to?
Yeah Moyes this season has a better win ratio than Klopp's first season at Liverpool too.
Maybe he's a better manager than Klopp and Everton are going to win the champions league.
Or maybe it's a bit idiotic to judge anything after 3 games.
Which one do you reckon it is?
The big positive is he won't change like ETH did, or at least so he says.
Hopefully the club can put a structure in place to build the club up around him or whatever manager if the coaching stays this poor.
Does nothing for my confidence that they sacked our director of football and all the signs that people who haven't done that job are trying to fill in
Hopefully the club can put a structure in place to build the club up around him or whatever manager if the coaching stays this poor.
Does nothing for my confidence that they sacked our director of football and all the signs that people who haven't done that job are trying to fill in
That is absolutely bollocks. We have a lot of quality in this squad that Amorim can work with to do better than what, 3 wins in 13 league games or whatever it is.
Do people really want him to overhaul the squad with this silly idea that he has to play 3 centrebacks all the time? I have never seen any top or even mediocre manager do that. They always change it up when it's not working or their teams keep losing.
I missed the game and only saw the last 10 mins. How was it unlucky?
Amorim was brought in to get results too. Hence why we sacked ETH or else we would have kept him. Moyes has been given the same contract length as Amorim.
I know people want to make excuses, but this has been a disastrous appointment so far. Just get spanked by every team we play at home.
If he’s here for the long term and the mandate he’s been given is implement your system and work out what players do and don’t fit, then he’s right to stick with it.
"Unlucky defeat"
What part of this defeat was unlucky?
To people who watched his Sporting team play, how did they control the game in midfield with his system? I’m trying to work out the benefit of the extra defender in defence rather than the extra midfielder slightly ahead. I’m guessing the control comes from the two 10s ahead of the midfield dropping back, which clearly we’re missing.
We still have to remember that this isn’t his team. Not a single player from today is his. He has come in halfway through the season with a botched squad from ETH’s legacy. Hojlund, Zirkzee, Onana… none are his players.
We are where we are in the table, and exactly where we deserve to be.
Having said that he seems far too rigid with his tactics and he needs to be more flexible if he is to be a success here.
We are where we are in the table, and exactly where we deserve to be.
Having said that he seems far too rigid with his tactics and he needs to be more flexible if he is to be a success here.
At least the erm "progress" is clear to see.
Amorim is taking the "free hit" for the rest of the season a bit literally here.
Losing home games quite comfortably to all sorts is pretty worrying.
Whilst our best chances are little chips to Maguire at the back stick.
Amorim is taking the "free hit" for the rest of the season a bit literally here.
Losing home games quite comfortably to all sorts is pretty worrying.
Whilst our best chances are little chips to Maguire at the back stick.
Does it really really matter?
Utd should focus mostly in Europa League and Cups this season.
Having said that, Amorim's Utd has been poorer than my lowest expectations. I didn't think it could be this bad in the PL.
He desperately needs players that fit his style.
Fire him. Hire a care taker until end of season. Go for Iraola in the summer .
Theres nothing to expect from this season. I’m hoping for something from a cup maybe. But we could easily finish 16th in the league.
I dont blame it on Amorim. I do question how we turn this around on a personnel front because of our financial problems recruiting but I am sick to death of managers having to revert to a counterattacking 42 low block because of players not being willing to try or run.
The tail has been wagging the dog for a long time at this club
It seems so obvious that it is ridiculous comparing two situations like that, but if you really insist on it, then how do you explain Moyes at United?
If playing with two defensive wing-backs and a defensive midfielder made us solid and hard to beat, I’d be fine with it. The reality, though, is that despite setting up like that, we’re still fragile at the back, and, to make matters worse, we create next to nothing in the final third.
People can talk about him building and trying to implement his philosophy with players who aren’t good enough, which is fair to an extent, but we can’t ignore the fact that he should be doing better. His comments about us being nervous at Old Trafford were also a very naive move. I believe he’ll come good once he has his own players, but I’m not wrong in thinking he should be achieving more with what he has right now.
People can talk about him building and trying to implement his philosophy with players who aren’t good enough, which is fair to an extent, but we can’t ignore the fact that he should be doing better. His comments about us being nervous at Old Trafford were also a very naive move. I believe he’ll come good once he has his own players, but I’m not wrong in thinking he should be achieving more with what he has right now.
Tbf, you could give the job to me & i'd say you can expect the relegation within the next 2 years, but i'll win you the treble after 10 years.
The whole long term blind vision is a stupid way of running a big organisation - what are the short-medium term milestones is he achieving or will have achieved in the near future (i.e. the end of this season, the start of next season), to know he's actually on track for that long term goal?
He has 14 points from 13 Premier League games, within that the wins against Fulham and Southampton were poor performances. It's terrible.