Mostly agree with this.
At the same time though, simply saying "we're going to lose all our games" doesn't magically make all expectations go away.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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He's been here 3 months with a bang average team bereft of confidence.
The players performed just as badly under 3 managers in a row but you lot are convinced that the problem is one of the most promising young managers in Europe.
Nowhere near even beginning to doubt.
The players performed just as badly under 3 managers in a row but you lot are convinced that the problem is one of the most promising young managers in Europe.
Nowhere near even beginning to doubt.
Is it worse that Everton? Palace? These teams are going to finish ahead of us.
This just isnt acceptable. Clearly they dont like the system.
Even predating Sir Alex, he's been shocking
Nit-picking, and doesn't really impact my overall point.
Definitely
There are threads in the transfer forum clamouring to let this manager sign his former players. Couldn't make it up. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes
We need to pack midfield.
Just very unbalanced and over reliant on young players and physically unimpressive ones, as well as limited options in key areas.
This season is a write off.
Mental isn’t it.
Yeah, we are too defensive.
Squad is garbage but we should be playing better than this, if anything he is actually reverted us to playing decent football but there is literally no one in the attack, interesting that he doesn't want to risk it more, especially because we have generally improved defensively(goals like today will always happen with the likes of Maguire and Onana in defence).
Squad is garbage but we should be playing better than this, if anything he is actually reverted us to playing decent football but there is literally no one in the attack, interesting that he doesn't want to risk it more, especially because we have generally improved defensively(goals like today will always happen with the likes of Maguire and Onana in defence).
The players don’t fit his system. That’s the problem. They were absolutely shite for the last manager too. So we give him time to implement his system, shed most of these shit players and buy players who fit his system. I genuinely won’t judge him for 18 months / 2 years.
The idea that we should be having someone come in and drastically improve this squad, as though they aren’t absolute shit, is mental hysteria. Even if we managed that, which probably would’ve happened to a certain extent with Ruud, it would’ve only meant we’re going nowhere long term.
In an ideal world we'd be building a squad based on a system we want to play irrespective of manager. The managers (and players) should then be picked in part based on their ability to play the system and work with the squad in my opinion. But for some reason we still seem to do it ass-backwards, bring in a manager who plays a vastly different system, buy players for it (not very well), bin the manager off, bring in a manager who plays a different system and needs different players like some kafka-esque loop.
Play 9 16-18 year olds and get battered 4-5 nil every game. What would that achieve exactly?
Other than probably getting us relegated of course.
If people are being absolutely honest Amorim at Man Utd just looks like a terrible fit.
He's not a bad coach. He's not necessarily got a squad of great players (decent ones though). However, everything that comes instinctively to our squad is pretty much the opposite of what he wants.
When you have a coach who's ideals highlight the weaknesses of your players, can you expect anything else?
Somewhere I am sure Dan Ashworth is grinning about his bosses making a decision that was 9 times out of 10 going to turn out like this.
Ultimately this is another call that INEOS has to take the responsibility for. I get the desire to modify our squad and style but without the ability to sign and sell a bunch of players, going for revolution not evolution was always going to lead to trouble.
He's not a bad coach. He's not necessarily got a squad of great players (decent ones though). However, everything that comes instinctively to our squad is pretty much the opposite of what he wants.
When you have a coach who's ideals highlight the weaknesses of your players, can you expect anything else?
Somewhere I am sure Dan Ashworth is grinning about his bosses making a decision that was 9 times out of 10 going to turn out like this.
Ultimately this is another call that INEOS has to take the responsibility for. I get the desire to modify our squad and style but without the ability to sign and sell a bunch of players, going for revolution not evolution was always going to lead to trouble.
I'm so utterly fed up its hard to describe. Every weekend I look forward to the game, and after every game I wonder why I bother.
His record has got to be down there with one of the worst we have had.
Moyes has been at Everton for three weeks and is nearly catching him up on wins. Do Everton have a better team than us?
Mourinho threw how many players under the bus? Martial, Shaw, Pogba etc.So 3 different squads of different players decided to not try and throw different managers under the bus?
Or alternatively maybe it was a combination of the players and the managers both trying their best but it just not working out for a multitude of reasons?
Why is the default for some always, ''Managers doing everything perfectly, the problem is these players are trying to get him sacked''
They havent. Our current run of form is miles worse than anything under the last 3 managers.
I can definitely see improvements in what he's trying to do. We have to accept as well that he is trying to implement a formation and system that is alien to our ridiculously put together squad. Wait until he has a few players of his own before we can really judge. That said, feck me man, just attack and speed it up a bit. On a side note we really really need to focus on set plays we are beyond a joke.
Yes. EtH and the club deserves a big chunk of the blame but at this rate we’re easily on course for the most defeats in one season and the fewest goals scored. We may even have the most goals conceded and worst goal difference too. Feck me this is horrendous!
It is the coaching, just like it was with eth.
Yeah they probably do tbh.
It's not nitpicking, that's the reality.
Absolutely diabolical return in the league so far, even after granting all the necessary context.
And that system is suddenly 343. Was that the plan last summer or has it became the plan because Amorim was the only decent coach available mid-season?
I think there's a strong chance he won't be here for the start of next season. He needs time but if we're still playing like this in May then Ineos are quite rightly going to be very wary of rebuilding the squad to suit the system of a manager who would have had 6 months and shown little sign of improvement.
We will look considerably better once we have functioning wingbacks. Nevermind addressing other areas of the squad.
The squad has been garbage for a long time before Ruben and will be garbage for the next few years too.
He needs to extract the maximum out of garbage to buy himself the time needed. If he cannot do that, he is fecked. It's just the reality of football.
Moyes was brought in as a short term manager to get results and he's doing that but Amorim was brought in as a long term manager to completely overhaul things with presumably the acceptance that there would be pain in the short term. If we wanted a quick turnaround in results then we wouldn't have appointed him given his system doesn't suit our squad and our only signing in January wouldn't be a raw 20 year old.
not enough training sessions
What if this 'system' is not suited to the premier league.
It's so predictable already.
It's so predictable already.
Reality can also be nitpicking. My point is that it's not inconsistent to say the players aren't good enough AND the previous two managers weren't good enough either.
Anyone bashing Amorim needs to have a word with themselves. He’s got his hands tied behind his back. No striker, I really wanted Hojilund to work but him and Zirkzee just aren’t. We are PSR sling and the squad just isn’t good enough. No idea how ANY manager turns this around. I hope Amorim gets the time his cv deserves.
I can't see us scoring, this team is impotent in goals it's actually criminal how INEOS have still not addressed this in this window. We need 3 fecking forwards this window let alone one, with a decent striker being on them.
On Amorim, because of how bad the squad is, he will get a pass but stop playing Dalot and Onana, don't be like EtH and have your favourites when they have been rubbish.
On Amorim, because of how bad the squad is, he will get a pass but stop playing Dalot and Onana, don't be like EtH and have your favourites when they have been rubbish.
Play ultra defensive formation and still concede goals. If you can’t adapt in football and need others to adapt around you, then United isn’t a club where you can succeed.
I hate the formation but even within his own framework he’s making very odd decisions which are counterproductive to the team. I’m talking completely obvious things as well like recognizing that Maz is not a wingback, Bruno not a midfielder, and that we’re constantly outnumbered in midfield.
This is exactly it. I don't blame Amorim and I'm sure we're making him look worse than he is. But we should not have signed him if we knew he was so insistent on a system that we do not have the players for. But let's call a spade, a spade. This has been much worse than anyone could have imagined.