I’d be pretty certain this is not about training, or at least that’s only part of it. I’d be very surprised if it’s not mainly lifestyle issues.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I’d be pretty certain this is not about training, or at least that’s only part of it. I’d be very surprised if it’s not mainly lifestyle issues.
Heard he's been seen in casinos late night around Manchester drinking a lot.
Of course that could be melarkey but rumours going around town that he's quite active late night.
Of course that could be melarkey but rumours going around town that he's quite active late night.
He’s doing fine.
Nothing wrong with clarifying your statement and not every sentence has to be kosher.
I’m sick of the sterile press conferences, he’s real, raw and generally right with the things he says. If people are offended by that it’s their problem.
There would be pictures all over social media if that was the case.
No there wouldn't.
Why not? Just curious but surely there’s no law against having your phone with you in a casino and someone would surely have snuck a sneaky picture of someone that famous.
Careful mate, they might update your tagline!
I think you're quite right. He's unfortunately become of those players. He's got his entourage with him, £50k worth of clothes on, £50k diamond earrings, parking his Rolls-Royce on the pavement and laughing as he gets a ticket. It's no wonder he's rubbed Amorim up the wrong way.
I blame the people around him really, but we are where we are...
I did get a bit of stick once for saying he was a kick and rush footballer a few years ago
To be fair he was doing some great things then.
Agreed, that's how it sounds to me.
Have you listened to a word that Amorim has said? It's nothing to with ability, it's about attitude.
Yeah it is really weird the more it goes on, like what is he not doing? I can't imagine he's just pissing around, I kind of assumed they thought he was a bad egg and also need the money but is he tantruming and leaving training early or something.
I said this over 2 months ago just before he joined and still think the same. He talks really well but he's going round in circles with journalists by being good faith in answering their questions (about Rashford and other bs) etc. Surely he must be getting tired from it.
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Aaaah, gigolo then. Explains his lack of energy in training then!
I can go even further back and cite Gary Birtles as well as Diego Forlan, both ran their ballsocks of trying to score, Rashford has not done that for a coulple of seasons now, if he was on 20K a week I'd want him gone never mind what he's actuallly on, his attitude as a professional footballer is inexcusable
Is it lack of effort on the field?
I think saying he "walks around the pitch" is over egging it a little. I have seen Rashford play live at OT and away hundreds of times and never really thought his effort was lacking. Does he chase lost causes like Tevez, obviously not, which i know what fans appreciate.
For me, Rashford is a high twitch sprinter, as opposed to a long distance runner.
I think he is from a previous generation of footballers who could get away with standing on a the half way line and spring into action when called upon. Maybe coming though the academy at the end of the SAF era made him that way. We carried players under SAF that wouldn't exactly be of much use in todays football.
Perhaps Rashford should have adapted by now, but I just dont see him as being a great for for the majority of teams in todays Premier League.
No, it's not. That is exactly what he is doing. You can't get away with not putting the effort or tracking back. You have that clip against Luton as an example, but he did it against Victoria Plzen, and got substituted, he failed to stop crosses again Porto, substituted at half time. And this was under Ten Hag.
Salah, one of the top 3 players over the last 5 years in the PL does this. Older than Rashford, better than Rashford. No excuses, sorry.
I get that. But what is the attitude? How bad is the performance?
How bad can it really be when he is still training with the first team?
Journalists were asking the same at today's presser. Valid questions because usually if a player has a stinking attitude a manager wouldn't want him around the first team.
Rashfords last performance for Utd against Plzen was one of the most blatant examples of a player not giving 100% you'll ever see.
He played for about an hour and I'm not sure if he broke into a sprint at any point. He was fecking awful generally but his workrate especially was disgraceful. If you've never thought Rashfords effort was lacking then you honestly cannot have been paying much attention to the matches.
It's been blatant at times.
He played for about an hour and I'm not sure if he broke into a sprint at any point. He was fecking awful generally but his workrate especially was disgraceful. If you've never thought Rashfords effort was lacking then you honestly cannot have been paying much attention to the matches.
It's been blatant at times.
Not seen this montage. It's not great, is it. He can't defend to save his life, but granted, he should be putting in move to track his runners.
Lack of effort is more than just 'walking around the field' - he clearly makes little effort to press, he avoids competing for headers and to a lesser degree tackles and it's happened way to often
We may have carried some players under SAF but it wasn't because they weren't making an effort, and of course some players of that era wouldn't be of much use in todays game, I can also think of plenty of players who are suitable today who would have been useless back in the day as well
Rashford would be a moron to go to Saudi and according to most reports he’s willing to take a pay cut to get a move he wants.
£300k + per week for this …ffs
I just watched the pre match press conference, there were journalists from Europe, and all the English media asked about was Rashford, that's all, except for one lady that posed 2 questions to Yoro and one to Ruben, feckin English media keep incessantly asking about Rashford this and Rashford that.
Some posters have tried to defend all of that saying its tactical
Damn that is shocking! Really cannot fathom how any united fan can even make excuses for him.
Actually he used to have a pretty good defensive side as a winger under Mourinho. That used to be a point in his favour over Martial. It all fell off a cliff though, perhaps due to his back injury.
This is such a bizarre situation, I can’t weigh up if there’s more to the story or if it’s just standard United chaos.
If we want someone to buy him then why torch him in the media week after week?
If his behaviour (in training or in his off field life) is so horrendous to not even merit a spot on the bench then why is he still in training?
If it’s something beyond football like drinking or gambling causing him to train so badly then why throw him under the bus and say he’s a bad trainer instead of making up an injury story or something and allowing him time to get support and recover?
The most likely explanation is the simplest, we just want rid, because he’s been shite and we’re paying him loads of money - but we’re driving down his value and potential suitors every time Ruben answers a question on him. Make something up for feck sake.
I find it astonishing that Ineos are allowing the value of a multi million pound asset to be degraded in this way.
If I had a knackered sports car I wanted to sell to an unwitting buyer I wouldn’t regularly post on Facebook about how shit and useless it is every week.
If we want someone to buy him then why torch him in the media week after week?
If his behaviour (in training or in his off field life) is so horrendous to not even merit a spot on the bench then why is he still in training?
If it’s something beyond football like drinking or gambling causing him to train so badly then why throw him under the bus and say he’s a bad trainer instead of making up an injury story or something and allowing him time to get support and recover?
The most likely explanation is the simplest, we just want rid, because he’s been shite and we’re paying him loads of money - but we’re driving down his value and potential suitors every time Ruben answers a question on him. Make something up for feck sake.
I find it astonishing that Ineos are allowing the value of a multi million pound asset to be degraded in this way.
If I had a knackered sports car I wanted to sell to an unwitting buyer I wouldn’t regularly post on Facebook about how shit and useless it is every week.
Any journalist who comes out clutching their pearls about Amorim's comments should just be relentlessly spammed with this video in response.
I'll say the same thing I said during the Sancho saga.
Rashford can be the worst trainer in thw world, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot here.
If we wanna sell him and get him out...why are we airing dirty laundry and making him less desirable for buyers? So asinine
Rashford can be the worst trainer in thw world, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot here.
If we wanna sell him and get him out...why are we airing dirty laundry and making him less desirable for buyers? So asinine
That's one game, could do same video for several others unfortunately, his times up, move him on
Because journalists are constantly asking about him. Amorim is just telling it how it is. Should be communicated by the club that we are no longer taking any questions about Rashford until the situation changes.
100% agreed.
People are really missing the point here. Firstly, you can't compare this to the Sancho situation because its different.
Rashford, was the first one to come out and say.. I am ready for a new challenge and I will explain to the fans when I leave, not if, when.
Thereafter, him and Garnacho were dropped, one buckled up, the other went crying to his agent to look for a new club. Since then he has been flying around Europe looking for teams to take him, met with rejections galore.
There is nothing that Amorim is saying that is having ANY impact on his desirability, that's all on him. On the opposite side, if Amorim said he is a world class player, do you think we will have clubs queueing to sign him tomorrow? No.
Finally, every presser, he is asked about Rashford, he says we have standards, meet them and play, its that simple really.
Amorim is the one saying Rashford is not good enough in training, or atleast implying he doesnt work hard. He can not do that if he wants, like he's with Casemiro.
Why would you say that about a player you're trying to sell? You are literally giving other clubs reason not to give us money/lowball us.
The Rashford comments were clearly responsive to the press commentary saying he had been marginalised and was for sale, literally the day before his interview.
Given that since then he has indeed been marginalised (0 minutes on the pitch) and is obviously for sale, those media reports were either a briefing or leak from the club and accurate. As such, Rashford’s comments were actually helpful as a player wanting a new challenge is definitely a better prospect to buy than one who is just lazy and a worse option than a 63 year old GK coach.
I trust that the club is correct in its decision to sell Rashford but it’s beyond argument that the way we’ve tried to go about it in the past month has been an absolute disaster.
Are you being dense on purpose? That was an interview from Rashford to Henry Winter... those were his own words, not some leak.
Its a bit silly to call out a club for years about culture and standards, we all have, when a manager comes in and sets standards... you are hurt because its Rashford who is suffering.
So a player saying he wants to leave doesn't devalue him but a manager saying he needs to meet standards does? where is the logic in that?
If he was serious about a new challenge, he would have got a move, he hasn't because of his wage demands, so it is quite clear, he is not interested in a football challenge. He wants to be paid to do the minimum.
What would you like him to say? What excuse should Amorim have been using to hide Rashford's unprofessionalism over the last 6/7 weeks? Teams aren't silly. They know that Rashford is lacking in effort and focus. I'm glad that we have a manager who isn't afraid to say it how it is.