I know what's being debated and how you're framing it semantically. People are easily sceptical of your position because of your post history about ETH and are critical this early about RA.Nothing to do with ten hag and I never disagreed with what he said. I know what he means too. Read what is being debated.
You clearly don't know what is being debated becuase I haven't been critical about RA here. I've said he's right to say what he did to Rashford 2 or 3 times in the last 24 hours.I know what's being debated and how you're framing it semantically. People are easily sceptical of your position because of your post history about ETH and are critical this early about RA.
Whether it was insulting or whether he was insulted by it are two different things.
One is subjective and the other, you'd have to ask Rashford, he might not see it the way you do.
I'm obsessed with ETH? OK. And youre not reading what I'm saying I know what you're position is i just have a different view which i addressed in the last paragraph. You've argued the toss for the last 3-4 pages with anyone who dares to disagree with you slightly and you do it and continue to do it in an arrogant and condescending way, telling people they're having a mare and saying try reading properly and so on. You would've dropped the issue, the tiny point you're making (not mutually exclusive etc) pages ago if you weren't so uncomfortable with people disagreeing with you about how you think a point is fact when, semantically, technically it's just as subjective as anybody else's opinion.You clearly don't know what is being debated becuase I haven't been critical about RA here. I've said he's right to say what he did to Rashford 2 or 3 times in the last 24 hours.
You appear obsessed with ten hag and are trying to wind me up by brining up unrelated matters into this debate. How about you read what I actually posted about this piece instead of quoting without knowing what is being said?
I dropped the issue a while ago, you decided to claim I am critical of RA here (I'm not) and that it's related to Ten Hag (it has nothing to do with him, hence you must be obsessed).I'm obsessed with ETH? OK. And youre not reading what I'm saying I know what you're position is i just have a different view which i addressed in the last paragraph. You've argued the toss for the last 3-4 pages with anyone who dares to disagree with you slightly and you do it and continue to do it in an arrogant and condescending way, telling people they're having a mare and saying try reading properly and so on. You would've dropped the issue, the tiny point you're making (not mutually exclusive etc) pages ago if you weren't so uncomfortable with people disagreeing with you about how you think a point is fact when, semantically, technically it's just as subjective as anybody else's opinion.
I'm saying that if Amorim does it privately and the player then goes to the press to say he wants to leave, and then journos' repeatedly ask why Rashford isn't making the squads, then why shouldn't Amorim provide a bit more info? Yes it was a colourful analogy that he made but feck it, don't we want to see characters in the game anymore? Rashford has had multiple chances over years, he decided after a matter of weeks that he would rather leave than attempt to adapt to the new managers' expectations, and all the while drawing the highest wage at the club. Personally I think it's a breath of fresh to have a bit of transparency rather than this 'cloak of secrecy' shite that seems all pervading in football these days - all the media training, non-answers, and speaking behind their hands. If I'm helping to pay a guy's wages by buying match tickets, merchandise or whatever then I appreciate finding out the truth about why that player isn't in the matchday squad.The above is what my post was in reply to. So he can't instill higher standards within the squad by making an example of Rashford privately? Is this what you are saying?
I'm saying that if Amorim does it privately and the player then goes to the press to say he wants to leave, and then journos' repeatedly ask why Rashford isn't making the squads, then why shouldn't Amorim provide a bit more info? Yes it was a colourful analogy that he made but feck it, don't we want to see characters in the game anymore? Rashford has had multiple chances over years, he decided after a matter of weeks that he would rather leave than attempt to adapt to the new managers' expectations, and all the while drawing the highest wage at the club. Personally I think it's a breath of fresh to have a bit of transparency rather than this 'cloak of secrecy' shite that seems all pervading in football these days - all the media training, non-answers, and speaking behind their hands. If I'm helping to pay a guy's wages by buying match tickets, merchandise or whatever then I appreciate finding out the truth about why that player isn't in the matchday squad.
Absolutely. It would have been a forgotten about almost immediately if he had actually put in the required effort and made the next matchday squad like Garnacho obviously did. To make that press statement 2 days after the City game must have felt like a massive kick in the teeth to the manager.Don't forget Rashfords team put out that he was happy to work with Amorim and give 100%, in attempt to undermine the manager in this situation (because clearly he isn't and has not been)
Rashford and his team are the ones who have made this a public spectacle
Pretty sure him doing all the things he has done in the past 3-4 years have shown everything those clubs need to know more than what Amorim said in one occassion. People seem to think all the clubs do are watching press conferences... they do have scouts, dof or similar position you know. Their research must be way deeper than that.
Have you ever seen him play?I doubt any interested club is buying this notion Rashford shows up for training every day and puts in no effort. Anyone who believes that is an idiot
A reminder:
He called his own team the worst in the clubs history. Then later admitted that was a mistake.
He's now publicly singled out one if his players with pretty harsh criticism.
The media generated lots of headlines and clicks based on his comments. That's the very definition of feeding the media negative stories mate.
And the incessant questions will never stop thats part of the gig. If Amorim can't handle that then he's in for a rough ride here.
You don't wait until your team is good to defend your players publicly. Creating an us against the world atmosphere is part of creating a winning culture.
Ten Hag took the similar public approach with Sancho last year how did that work out for Ten Hag, motivating Sancho or the rest of the squad?
They already know and that‘s why top clubs aren‘t lining up to sign him.What did the club gain from Amorim’s stupid comment?
Interested clubs already had concerns with Rashford. Amorim confirmed the concerns and reduced his value.
Well I’m fully behind him. I love his honest approach and I think it’s what the club needs. Hell it’s what the supporters need because I can’t trust the players, I’ve never trusted the Glazers and now I don’t think I can trust INEOS. Reuben is a genuine, honest and humble man and he tells it straight. Nothing he has said isn’t true. I also think he’s got the talent to cultivate a winning squad but it will take time. Whether he’s afforded that time is another question.
Rashford must've hit him extra hard.
That‘s a relief, wow, I‘m so glad Rashford is putting in the effort. Pretty sure we will sell him for at least 80 million .I doubt any interested club is buying this notion Rashford shows up for training every day and puts in no effort. Anyone who believes that is an idiot
They know it's more to do with Amorim and United wanting to sell him and there is a total breakdown between the two parties.
I doubt any interested club is buying this notion Rashford shows up for training every day and puts in no effort. Anyone who believes that is an idiot
They know it's more to do with Amorim and United wanting to sell him and there is a total breakdown between the two parties.
Keeping Ten Hag. Spending loads of money in the summer on players that seemed like they were for Ten Hag. Sacking Ten Hag when they have just backed him in a transfer window. Waiting and paying for Ashworth then sacking Ashworth. 200+ job cuts, penny pinching around bonuses to staff, massive price rises to tickets, club sitting in 12th…….Its funny how many people lump Glazers and INEOS into one. What makes you not trust INEOS then? After les than 1 year in charge?
Keeping Ten Hag. Spending loads of money in the summer on players that seemed like they were for Ten Hag. Sacking Ten Hag when they have just backed him in a transfer window. Waiting and paying for Ashworth then sacking Ashworth. 200+ job cuts, penny pinching around bonuses to staff, massive price rises to tickets, club sitting in 12th…….
I’m not saying they won’t come good, I’m not saying some of that stuff above wasn’t necessary but I am saying that so far they have done nothing to deserve my backing or trust. That can change. Right now though I DO trust the manager and my whole point is that supporters need to be able to find someone or something they can trust at the moment.
I'm saying that if Amorim does it privately and the player then goes to the press to say he wants to leave, and then journos' repeatedly ask why Rashford isn't making the squads, then why shouldn't Amorim provide a bit more info? Yes it was a colourful analogy that he made but feck it, don't we want to see characters in the game anymore? Rashford has had multiple chances over years, he decided after a matter of weeks that he would rather leave than attempt to adapt to the new managers' expectations, and all the while drawing the highest wage at the club. Personally I think it's a breath of fresh to have a bit of transparency rather than this 'cloak of secrecy' shite that seems all pervading in football these days - all the media training, non-answers, and speaking behind their hands. If I'm helping to pay a guy's wages by buying match tickets, merchandise or whatever then I appreciate finding out the truth about why that player isn't in the matchday squad.
He gave him time off and plenty of chances to play. He didn't do enough with it. He said he wasn't doing enough in training to be selected. He did everything he could before he made a public comment.
Ruben Amorim came in, ignored the comnents about Rashford taking off to America on the international break. Gave him chances to prove himself on the pitch, he scored a couple of goals and pottered about like a pensioner in a garden the rest of the time.
He was asked and said he'd rather play a 63 year old over anyone that doesn't put in the effort in training. That's not solely reserved for or directed at Marcus Rashford, it's a comment that goes for everyone because you can see he's willing to give people chances if they want to work for him.
Given where Utd are and how much money has been spent on these players, some brutal honesty isn't really a bad thing. Even if he says it to the media, he might also have one eye on what the fans want to hear.
If these guys aren't prepared to put in the effort to play and aren't in the team, he'll be asked why.
What's wrong with being honest and expecting professional footballers to put in the effort during the week to be prepared to play when it comes to games?
There's nothing wrong with that at all - each to his own. I think I'm just at that point where I'm happy to see something a bit different happening at the club. The way we've handled players that (for whatever reason) are no longer bringing value to the club has been ridiculous over the past decade or so, so I'm quite prepared to give Amorim the benefit of the doubt on this - at least until we see how it all pans out.Is there anything wrong with not wanting the manager to keep private club matters private and not feed the gutter tabloids headlines?
Yes.Was he there?
There's nothing wrong with that at all - each to his own. I think I'm just at that point where I'm happy to see something a bit different happening at the club. The way we've handled players that (for whatever reason) are no longer bringing value to the club has been ridiculous over the past decade or so, so I'm quite prepared to give Amorim the benefit of the doubt on this - at least until we see how it all pans out.
Sorry, yes it was a different topic where you were being condescending. I've read your opinion on the matter and like a lot in here disagreed with it.I dropped the issue a while ago, you decided to claim I am critical of RA here (I'm not) and that it's related to Ten Hag (it has nothing to do with him, hence you must be obsessed).
Where did I say people had a mare about the Rashford insult? I said someone had a mare when they accused me of quoting Dorgu's fee as 40m GBP when it was clear it was 40m EUR.
Are you perhaps getting mixed up? It seems you're generally frustrated and venting, rather than pursuing any reasonable discourse on this topic, where I have backed Amorim two or three times on his wording.
And I don't think it's unfair of me to accuse you of not reading my posts, when you claim I'm critical of Amorim here and I've literally said he's done the right thing.
I've never really understood the narrative that not being in Europe is a good thing.We literally have nothing to play for, top 5 looks out. Europa win is a bridge too far with our current condition
Plus no Europe at all is good next season the players can focus on the league.
Most clubs that misses out Europe completely tend to do much better in the league
Now is the best time for a cull
OK - sorry you feel that way. A lot also agreed with me. That's the wonders of a forum. Anyway that conversation wasn't an opinion, but a fact.Sorry, yes it was a different topic where you were being condescending. I've read your opinion on the matter and like a lot in here disagreed with it.
But he was clearly still talking about Rashford and it was reported as such.
It's just not the type of thing I want the manager of Manchester United to be saying to the press.
Nothing. But I'm not defending Rashford or saying his comments are wrong. All I'm saying is Amorim shouldn't be saying it publicly.
Is there anything wrong with not wanting the manager to keep private club matters private and not feed the gutter tabloids headlines?
He can play alongside Vittal!I read today he is adding on a short term basis 78 year old world renowned athletics coach Harry Marra to the coaching staff to oversee and advise on the players physical training to try and improve general fitness , stamina etc.
I read today he is adding on a short term basis 78 year old world renowned athletics coach Harry Marra to the coaching staff to oversee and advise on the players physical training to try and improve general fitness , stamina etc.
Good call but he is now identified the same issue Ole , ETH, Racknick etc etc encountered in that we have a lot of players in our squad who are not suited to the physical demands of the premier league. I hope the players he brings in over time are.
I'm not sure those aspects can be improved significantly during the season. But happy he's being proactive about an identified issueI read today he is adding on a short term basis 78 year old world renowned athletics coach Harry Marra to the coaching staff to oversee and advise on the players physical training to try and improve general fitness , stamina etc.
Good call but he is now identified the same issue Ole , ETH, Racknick etc etc encountered in that we have a lot of players in our squad who are not suited to the physical demands of the premier league. I hope the players he brings in over time are.
OK keep believing your opinions are fact, no wonder you argue with so many.OK - sorry you feel that way. A lot also agreed with me. That's the wonders of a forum. Anyway that conversation wasn't an opinion, but a fact.
If you have a genuine vent feel free to drop a PM because I have no interest in entertaining made up accusations in public.
Haven't met an Arsenal fan that isn't picking up meaningless fights.We were poor but get your facts right
