Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Theonas said:
I find that really encouraging for two reasons: 1) he is not overly emotional and getting carried away by such a big win like fans or even some managers like Ole who couldn't understand that anyone can win a one off game or kill a giant on a specific day but it's about looking at the level of performance and look for a sustainable way of playing because that's only way you can win consistently. and 2) which is related to the last part, is that he understands that we cannot play like that consistently. That's not because of aesthetics or principles but for pragmatic reasons. You cannot compete regularly at the top by devising overly defensive strategies where you rely so much on the opponent missing chances or your GK having a worldly. The best teams have control and play on the front foot the majority of the time. There are few exceptions of course but why should we look at imitating the exception when we have all the resources to aim for the best.
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That’s how Sporting plays in the championship. We have almost 70% of Ball possession and this season we have been scoring an average 3/4 goals per game with that strategy. With the same tactical setup/system.

He’s not a deffensive coach and the tactical system ain’t defensive as well. We just had to defend Way more in this game, and have had Way less ball possession in this game, for obvious reasons.

He’s always very careful in the press conferences, not allowing everyone get into “over-confidence mode”. If he wins by 4-0, he might comment on the chances the team missed on the Attack or some fluidness in the passes that wasn’t there.

Tonight was a great example of how well he can play vs a way stronger team than his. It’s not quite a great example of how Sporting used to play for the most part. Think about what you saw, that Collective way of defending and attacking, and that purposeness always there, and imagine it in a more dominant possession game - that’s how he works his teams for the most part.
 
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El Jefe said:
Watched them one game and you could see every player knew what they were doing and what their plan was as a team.

Like others have said the first thing that stuck out was the work rate of the players and how deliberate attacking moves were. Their midfield and wide players ran their socks off but unfortunately we don't have much of that other than Mount, Bruno and Ugarte.

It also made a nice change seeing a team come out swinging in the second half after a poor first one. That almost never happened with us in Ten Hag's last two seasons.
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Great comment. Pretty much accurate.

I would say also beside that work rate and running off the ball (which wasn’t there before - he real knows how to motivate, united and make the Players run for him and for his game proposal), the first touch of the players is essential. If you’re not an “elegant” player on those basics (ball reception, pass, control of the ball) it will be hard for you… cause the speed of the game and the ball circulation kind of requires that technicall class.
 
goncaloc10 said:
That’s how Sporting plays in the championship. We have almost 70% of Ball possession and this season we have been scoring an average 3/4 goals per game with that strategy. With the same tactical setup/system.

He’s not a deffensive coach and the tactical system ain’t defensive as well. We just had to defend Way more in this game, and have had Way less ball possession in this game, for obvious reasons.

He’s always very careful in the press conferences, not allowing everyone get into “over-confidence mode”. If he wins by 4-0, he might comment on the chances the team missed on the Attack or some fluidness in the passes that wasn’t there.

Tonight was a great example of how well he can play vs a way stronger team than his. It’s not quite a great example of how Sporting used to play for the most part. Think about what you saw, that Collective way of defending and attacking, and that purposeness always there, and imagine it in a more dominant possession game - that’s how he works his teams for the most part.
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That is the impression I have about him and how Sporting play to be fair but it's nice to have it confirmed by you indeed. My comment was more about that it's a really good sign that he didn't play to the gallery and give in to emotions by lauding up such a big win. He actually did admit that there was luck involved and that he wasn't happy with the performance. Plenty of managers out there would just hail defensive solidity, mental strength, fight and all that stuff without acknowledging that they will never compete winning games like on a consistent basis. I thought it was brilliant of him to maintain a rational head in the midst of all that excitement.
 
goncaloc10 said:
That’s how Sporting plays in the championship. We have almost 70% of Ball possession and this season we have been scoring an average 3/4 goals per game with that strategy. With the same tactical setup/system.

He’s not a deffensive coach and the tactical system ain’t defensive as well. We just had to defend Way more in this game, and have had Way less ball possession in this game, for obvious reasons.

He’s always very careful in the press conferences, not allowing everyone get into “over-confidence mode”. If he wins by 4-0, he might comment on the chances the team missed on the Attack or some fluidness in the passes that wasn’t there.

Tonight was a great example of how well he can play vs a way stronger team than his. It’s not quite a great example of how Sporting used to play for the most part. Think about what you saw, that Collective way of defending and attacking, and that purposeness always there, and imagine it in a more dominant possession game - that’s how he works his teams for the most part.
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That’s reassuring to hear. But
from I’ve heard the big three in Portugal tend to dominate the ball either way? That won’t be the case for him at United. I’m really hoping he’s someone who gets us to learn how to play in an opponents half and dominate as we really need that sort of progressive coach.
 
Cautious optimism is the way forward.

Having said that I expect to see an attempt to play with a cohesive style of play in the first 5 games under Amorim even if the results don’t follow. The board decided to write off this season the moment they kept ETH after the cup win. So no surprises if we don’t end up in the Top 6 this season.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
This is my worst fear. ETH succeeded with major help from Ajax's football structure and Overmars. Amorim had Hugo Viana and Sporting's great football structure especially the academy.

No doubts Amorim is a great coach, hope our football structure do their parts. We can't keep signing players like Antony, Mount, Malacia, Zirkzee, Ugarte.
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Apologies for my lack of knowledge of the board's specific structure, but who on our board is undertaking similar tasks as Hugo Viana? And what is his track record like?
 
Micky Targaryen said:
Apologies for my lack of knowledge of the board's specific structure, but who on our board is undertaking similar tasks as Hugo Viana? And what is his track record like?
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Dan Ashworth is our equivalent. He played a big part in England's DNA project which led to a big improvement in the performance of the teams up and down the age groups. He was also part of Newcastle's good business after the Saudi buy out. The likes of Isak, Guimaraes etc were brought in. Prior to that he had more junior roles at Brighton and West Brom.

Regardless, he's highly thought of and far more experienced than the likes of Woodward and Arnold who we've had in these roles or the years we had nobody.
 
Theonas said:
I find that really encouraging for two reasons: 1) he is not overly emotional and getting carried away by such a big win like fans or even some managers like Ole who couldn't understand that anyone can win a one off game or kill a giant on a specific day but it's about looking at the level of performance and look for a sustainable way of playing because that's only way you can win consistently. and 2) which is related to the last part, is that he understands that we cannot play like that consistently. That's not because of aesthetics or principles but for pragmatic reasons. You cannot compete regularly at the top by devising overly defensive strategies where you rely so much on the opponent missing chances or your GK having a worldly. The best teams have control and play on the front foot the majority of the time. There are few exceptions of course but why should we look at imitating the exception when we have all the resources to aim for the best.
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Funnily enough the contrast I also thought of was Ole.

Agree with what you said. Very good presser. Also the nuance with which he said it was very intelligent. He didn’t kill the joy or demotivate his players after they just beat City. But at the same time as the interview went on he let it be known that they could have easily lost.
 
JediSith said:
Funnily enough the contrast I also thought of was Ole.

Agree with what you said. Very good presser. Also the nuance with which he said it was very intelligent. He didn’t kill the joy or demotivate his players after they just beat City. But at the same time as the interview went on he let it be known that they could have easily lost.
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Exactly. We all heard what a great communicator he is and he certainly comes across like one. Communication skills won't win us trophies but it certainly helps buy you time and win fans and players over which we desperately need if we are going to improve. Ten Hag was severely lacking in that area which I think was ultimately his undoing with the players and fans.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Couldn't watch the match. How did Sporting win 4-1 when City had 73% possession?
I hope Sporting didnt only counter attack at home?
What sought of football did they play?
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City could have scored 3-4 goals i nthe first 30 minutes if they were clinical. City had the possession but Sporting counters every time they got the ball and were more clinical in front of the goal.
 
Theonas said:
like Ole who couldn't understand that anyone can win a one off game or kill a giant on a specific day but it's about looking at the level of performance and look for a sustainable way of playing because that's only way you can win consistently
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He literally told the whole fanbase this and was slaughtered for it

"Couldn't understand" ?????

Theonas said:
2) which is related to the last part, is that he understands that we cannot play like that consistently. That's not because of aesthetics or principles but for pragmatic reasons. You cannot compete regularly at the top by devising overly defensive strategies where you rely so much on the opponent missing chances or your GK having a worldly. The best teams have control and play on the front foot the majority of the time. There are few exceptions of course but why should we look at imitating the exception when we have all the resources to aim for the best.
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This is true but it was true for Ole and ETH as well. They tried to leave the pragmatic approach behind and evolve the team. It was the decision that made both of them lose their job eventually, although a lot of the fault lies with the club as well for not being able to come anywhere near to building them squads that can actually switch to a dominant style (especially in Ole's case), up until maybe now, as I believe now we have a good squad overall (our attack was better in Ole's final full season but that's it). But the reality is that every manager and head coach in the top 5 European leagues know that you can't get to 90-100 points in the PL with a significantly less dominant approach than your rivals. And obviously the PL is by far the most difficult competition to win in the world, even more difficult than the UCL I'd say, and it's been that way since the centurion City season 6 years ago.
 
Rojofiam said:
He literally told the whole fanbase this and was slaughtered for it

"Couldn't understand" ?????



This is true but it was true for Ole and ETH as well. They tried to leave the pragmatic approach behind and evolve the team. It was the decision that made both of them lose their job eventually, although a lot of the fault lies with the club as well for not being able to come anywhere near to building them squads that can actually switch to a dominant style (especially in Ole's case), up until maybe now, as I believe now we have a good squad overall (our attack was better in Ole's final full season but that's it). But the reality is that every manager and head coach in the top 5 European leagues know that you can't get to 90-100 points in the PL with a significantly less dominant approach than your rivals. And obviously the PL is by far the most difficult competition to win in the world, even more difficult than the UCL I'd say, and it's been that way since the centurion City season 6 years ago.
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I was talking specifically about Amorim's ability to keep a rational head and get swept away by the emotions of the game in the immediate aftermath. My point was that this shows a lot of security and clear thinking as opposed to getting the credit by using all the clichés managers use after a win like that. Ole might have wanted to change our style but I for once, don't think he had the coaching ability to do. I think his idea of doing it was to just buy players that can help him do it by individual quality alone. He and Ten Hag also lauded underdog like wins which may have been because he needed the good PR as his coaching ability was being questioned constantly but to me it doesn't send the right message to the team and fans, it sends mixed signals and makes your words ring hallow when you talk about moving to a more pro active style.
 
After a few matches, he will find out that.. some of our players cannot pass, cannot shoot on the target, cannot track back, cannot coach, cannot be benched and cannot be sold :lol::lol:
Also, he will find out that.. we will have 1 no. penalty given when we have 10 times clear foul in opp. box..and penalty will be given all the time in our box with apology after the match.. :lol: :lol:
 
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Bloody hell ten hags really done a number on us hasn't he. To convince people that sporting have a better squad than us. I don't even think our squad is that good but if ten hag had this sporting team in our league he'd 100% be in a relegation scrap. Obviously it's easy to see why some people think this way, as we've been so bad for so long, but I still believe our squad is decent (enough for top 4 anyway) and think we'll be fine under amorim. If we're still shite this season and next then I'll hold my hands up and say the players just obviously aren't that good, but until then I still think we just simply haven't had a very good manager since Sir Alex (or the right one at least)
 
MinGin said:
After a few matches, he will find out that.. some of our players cannot pass, cannot shoot on the target, cannot track back, cannot coach, cannot be benched and cannot be sold :lol::lol:
Also, he will find out that.. we will have 1 no. penalty given when we have 10 times clear foul in opp. box..and penalty will be given all the time in our box with apology after the match.. :lol: :lol:
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missed important part of cannot run
 
msjmohd83 said:
the amount of running they did in that City game to open them up , I'm not sure out current players will like it :lol:
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Can see him bringing up a few kids. He ain’t afraid to play youngsters. If the senior players don’t step up then they get kicked out of the starting 11.
 
Great result for him yesterday. Nice to see that the players and team are still motivated to run for him even though he is leaving them in the middle of the season. Which is a good sign, imo. From the interviews he seems to have the charisma and the personality as well. Hopefully, tactically he'll find the transition from the Portuguese league to the premier league not too tough. We know that for every Jose that is successful, there are tens of Villas-Boas' that are a complete disaster. Fingers crossed, he'll turn out to be the former for us.
 
I feel for Sporting fans. You've shown so much class, especially on these forums. The decency through all this and sterling assessments provided over and over without any snark. Commendable. I wish you the best in the future.
 
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El Jefe said:
Watched them one game and you could see every player knew what they were doing and what their plan was as a team.

Like others have said the first thing that stuck out was the work rate of the players and how deliberate attacking moves were. Their midfield and wide players ran their socks off but unfortunately we don't have much of that other than Mount, Bruno and Ugarte.

It also made a nice change seeing a team come out swinging in the second half after a poor first one. That almost never happened with us in Ten Hag's last two seasons.
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Rashford improved a lot defensively lately and looks like he is running his socks off. Garnacho has the necessary speed and stamina and can be coached. Bruno always works a lot too. Hojlund can make a lot of effort too.
Just let see what will happen before making judgement on the players.
 
I wish he'd come here and feckin ace it (almost) right from the off, a la Van Persie.
chances are slim, but boy do we need him to do that.
 
DRJosh said:
Cautious optimism is the way forward.

Having said that I expect to see an attempt to play with a cohesive style of play in the first 5 games under Amorim even if the results don’t follow. The board decided to write off this season the moment they kept ETH after the cup win. So no surprises if we don’t end up in the Top 6 this season.
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Agree with the bolded.

But the second part, I don't think INEOS is writing the season off, Amorim will have to get positive results immediately, I am not saying win all games from now till end of the season, but better performance levels and perhaps as much wins as possible and as less losses as possible, to climb up the table in both PL & EL.
 
msjmohd83 said:
the amount of running they did in that City game to open them up , I'm not sure out current players will like it :lol:
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I was watching it thinking this is night and day compared to us. Our players barely move off the ball, and everything is done at zombie pace. Sporting players are constantly moving off the ball and trying diagonal passes that opened city up, all at pace. It’s just in their dna at this point.
 
Redfrog said:
Rashford improved a lot defensively lately and looks like he is running his socks off. Garnacho has the necessary speed and stamina and can be coached. Bruno always works a lot too. Hojlund can make a lot of effort too.
Just let see what will happen before making judgement on the players.
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Rashford has shown a few performances lately, where his workrate was back to being average to slightly above average. "Running his socks off" is what Fred did, we shouldn't attribute that to players who do not do it. Rashford came from a below-average workrate level back to average in the last few games, thats it. Whether that'd be enough for Amorim we'll have to see.
 
erikcred said:
Klopp in his first season ended up 8th, conceding loads of goals and losing to bottom half teams while thrashing City twice 3-0 or 4-0, knocking us and Dortmund out in the EL but also ultimately losing two finals.

Yes, there were no trophies or top-6, but it was quickly clear what Klopp was trying to do and what they were capable of on their day.

That's what some of us mean when we say we don't care about results.
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But he got to the EL final, beating us. Also, like you say, he beat City well, so those were results and performances.. no way fans will be saying the same if we played well and lost 3-0 to City, got knocked out all cups early but had better performances?

I mean there is a very high likelyhood that performances will be better because they were so bad under Ten Hag, that dont mean that we are playing well.
 
RKEANE16 said:
Bloody hell ten hags really done a number on us hasn't he. To convince people that sporting have a better squad than us. I don't even think our squad is that good but if ten hag had this sporting team in our league he'd 100% be in a relegation scrap. Obviously it's easy to see why some people think this way, as we've been so bad for so long, but I still believe our squad is decent (enough for top 4 anyway) and think we'll be fine under amorim. If we're still shite this season and next then I'll hold my hands up and say the players just obviously aren't that good, but until then I still think we just simply haven't had a very good manager since Sir Alex (or the right one at least)
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Assuming he sticks to a similar system, the 343. Try doing a combined best 11 and you'll see. None of our players gets in the front 3 or wingback roles.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
A 'formality' they haven't done since and hadn't done for 4 years before. Won scoring 119 goals. They beat three-time champions Real Madrid 4-1 in the Champions League. Nobody had beaten them over two legs in three years by that point.

I was happy Ten Hag was sacked, but no need to shit on the great job he did at Ajax.
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I could win the Dutch league with Ajax.

Let's stop defending EtH. I was in favour of hiring him at the time, seemed a gamble worth taking but he was utterly appalling and we've wasted three seasons.

I'd go as far as to say that as a coach, he was maybe one of the worst the PL has seen. Might seem a big statement...look at the sheer number of records he broke at United and the number of thrashings we took, nevermind the incomprehensible, crazy tactics and disgraceful in-game management.
 
romufc said:
But he got to the EL final, beating us. Also, like you say, he beat City well, so those were results and performances.. no way fans will be saying the same if we played well and lost 3-0 to City, got knocked out all cups early but had better performances?

I mean there is a very high likelyhood that performances will be better because they were so bad under Ten Hag, that dont mean that we are playing well.
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I thought I clarified it.

I think it's important to see results and performances in individual matches. Show signs of how high our ceiling could be raised.

However, I don't care about the league position this season or whether we win EL (again, this season) because we are bound to be inconsistent while learning to play his style.
 
RKEANE16 said:
Bloody hell ten hags really done a number on us hasn't he. To convince people that sporting have a better squad than us. I don't even think our squad is that good but if ten hag had this sporting team in our league he'd 100% be in a relegation scrap. Obviously it's easy to see why some people think this way, as we've been so bad for so long, but I still believe our squad is decent (enough for top 4 anyway) and think we'll be fine under amorim. If we're still shite this season and next then I'll hold my hands up and say the players just obviously aren't that good, but until then I still think we just simply haven't had a very good manager since Sir Alex (or the right one at least)
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Absolutely ridiculous isn't it, the number of people who are on this forum daily who I presume watch a fair volume of football and yet haven't a clue what they're watching.

Do these people honestly believe that a single Sporting player, bar maybe Gyokeres would improve on the natural ability in our XI?

It's ALL about coaching...and coaching means implementing a viable system that the players understand and can execute.

EtH, and other Dutch managers for that matter, paralyse players with their ridiculously complex instructions and persistence in trying to make players something they are not - rather than just working out what they're good at and finding a way of promoting those qualities.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Nar, it’s up to him to get the best out of:

Onana, Maz, Dalot, De Ligt, Yoro, Martinez, Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo, Amad, Garna, Bruno etc

That’s how he’ll break the “curse”, use what you have to their very best, and build year on year on that.
No big stupid daft rebuilds for every new manager, how many fecking times do we need make that mistake?
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Spot on. Man for man, our squad should be majority stronger than that sporting squad. And those who refuse to buck up, put in the work should just be sidelined and shipped off.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I have some bad news…..

The character limit cuts it off but he says “we will have to adapt”

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Aye, Tactically that's understandable, that you have to be able to adapt to the players you're inheriting at the club and work to instill a style that can maximise their individual ability as part of a team.

But, when it comes discipline and work rate in terms of performance, there can't be any negotiation.
 
Lentwood said:
I could win the Dutch league with Ajax.

Let's stop defending EtH. I was in favour of hiring him at the time, seemed a gamble worth taking but he was utterly appalling and we've wasted three seasons.

I'd go as far as to say that as a coach, he was maybe one of the worst the PL has seen. Might seem a big statement...look at the sheer number of records he broke at United and the number of thrashings we took, nevermind the incomprehensible, crazy tactics and disgraceful in-game management.
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I echo this comment.

I also wanted EtH but he was way out of his depth. It was a complete and utter disaster.

Amorim has a decent squad to work with. He obviously has to ship out some disastrous signings (Antony, Zirkzee, etc.), but I think we will do okay this season. It seemed like the squad was not coached at all under EtH.
 
Ish said:
Spot on. Man for man, our squad should be majority stronger than that sporting squad. And those who refuse to buck up, put in the work should just be sidelined and shipped off.
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Exactly this. People undervalue the squad. Its funny when Ten Hag was in charge, he was the problem, as soon as he is sacked, its all the players, they are not good enough. It is a way of giving the new manager excuses... any top manager should get results and performances with this squad.

I have seen so many clubs over the last 2 years and the manager has implemented a style in 3 months, without a full squad overhaul.
 
TheReligion said:
There was plenty to be optimistic about when Ten Hag signed and I think he was the overwhelming favourite here for the job.

That said though, it’s well documented that there were concerns regarding communication skills and his lack of charisma. As said, Spurs didn’t move on him following Jose for those very reasons. Both of these things can be true.

I suspect United brought in Steve McClaren to support Ten Hag for this very reason, likewise with RvN this time around alongside Rene Hake.

Amorim, on the other hand, is meant to be extremely charismatic and a very high level communicator.
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It’s not well documented, it’s claim made years and years after.

Ten Hag wanted to bring in Steve McClaren, as they had worked together in the past, he’s not someone that was forced on on him. There's no indication whatsoever that the club insisted on assistants
 
NotChatGPT said:
It’s not well documented, it’s claim made years and years after.

Ten Hag wanted to bring in Steve McClaren, as they had worked together in the past, he’s not someone that was forced on on him. There's no indication whatsoever that the club insisted on assistants
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That’s why I said I suspect. My opinion of course.

His lack of charisma and communication issues are well documented though.
 
romufc said:
Exactly this. People undervalue the squad. Its funny when Ten Hag was in charge, he was the problem, as soon as he is sacked, its all the players, they are not good enough. It is a way of giving the new manager excuses... any top manager should get results and performances with this squad.

I have seen so many clubs over the last 2 years and the manager has implemented a style in 3 months, without a full squad overhaul.
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Yeah, and we’ll give the manager time - of that I have no doubt. But there’s a world of difference between giving someone 12-18 months to see “a style” and “progress” and being adamant of giving someone 30-36 months + and still whipping out the excuses.

I think performances and results under EtH have also kind of skewed peoples perspective (& expectations) of this squad. Can’t really blame them, but we should be anticipating an automatic (& drastic) improvement in the next few months.
 
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