Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

I have some bad news…..

The character limit cuts it off but he says “we will have to adapt”



Aye, Tactically that's understandable, that you have to be able to adapt to the players you're inheriting at the club and work to instill a style that can maximise their individual ability as part of a team.

But, when it comes discipline and work rate in terms of performance, there can't be any negotiation.
 
I could win the Dutch league with Ajax.

Let's stop defending EtH. I was in favour of hiring him at the time, seemed a gamble worth taking but he was utterly appalling and we've wasted three seasons.

I'd go as far as to say that as a coach, he was maybe one of the worst the PL has seen. Might seem a big statement...look at the sheer number of records he broke at United and the number of thrashings we took, nevermind the incomprehensible, crazy tactics and disgraceful in-game management.
I echo this comment.

I also wanted EtH but he was way out of his depth. It was a complete and utter disaster.

Amorim has a decent squad to work with. He obviously has to ship out some disastrous signings (Antony, Zirkzee, etc.), but I think we will do okay this season. It seemed like the squad was not coached at all under EtH.
 
Spot on. Man for man, our squad should be majority stronger than that sporting squad. And those who refuse to buck up, put in the work should just be sidelined and shipped off.

Exactly this. People undervalue the squad. Its funny when Ten Hag was in charge, he was the problem, as soon as he is sacked, its all the players, they are not good enough. It is a way of giving the new manager excuses... any top manager should get results and performances with this squad.

I have seen so many clubs over the last 2 years and the manager has implemented a style in 3 months, without a full squad overhaul.
 
There was plenty to be optimistic about when Ten Hag signed and I think he was the overwhelming favourite here for the job.

That said though, it’s well documented that there were concerns regarding communication skills and his lack of charisma. As said, Spurs didn’t move on him following Jose for those very reasons. Both of these things can be true.

I suspect United brought in Steve McClaren to support Ten Hag for this very reason, likewise with RvN this time around alongside Rene Hake.

Amorim, on the other hand, is meant to be extremely charismatic and a very high level communicator.

It’s not well documented, it’s claim made years and years after.

Ten Hag wanted to bring in Steve McClaren, as they had worked together in the past, he’s not someone that was forced on on him. There's no indication whatsoever that the club insisted on assistants
 
It’s not well documented, it’s claim made years and years after.

Ten Hag wanted to bring in Steve McClaren, as they had worked together in the past, he’s not someone that was forced on on him. There's no indication whatsoever that the club insisted on assistants

That’s why I said I suspect. My opinion of course.

His lack of charisma and communication issues are well documented though.
 
Exactly this. People undervalue the squad. Its funny when Ten Hag was in charge, he was the problem, as soon as he is sacked, its all the players, they are not good enough. It is a way of giving the new manager excuses... any top manager should get results and performances with this squad.

I have seen so many clubs over the last 2 years and the manager has implemented a style in 3 months, without a full squad overhaul.
Yeah, and we’ll give the manager time - of that I have no doubt. But there’s a world of difference between giving someone 12-18 months to see “a style” and “progress” and being adamant of giving someone 30-36 months + and still whipping out the excuses.

I think performances and results under EtH have also kind of skewed peoples perspective (& expectations) of this squad. Can’t really blame them, but we should be anticipating an automatic (& drastic) improvement in the next few months.
 
That’s why I said I suspect. My opinion of course.

His lack of charisma and communication issues are well documented though.

It seems like you have a shit suspicion. People are generally making shit up in hindsight

How are they well documented.
 
Dan Ashworth, the man who sold Gyokeres for 1 million 5 years ago.
Have you analysed Gyokeres’ performance 5 years ago? Or are you comparing his price then to his performances now, which is pretty low on logic?

Here’s his stats for the last 5 years, seem to show a late developer still to consistently prove himself at the highest level

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Lineups
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Goal
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2022/2023Coventry CityCHA4321494720221800
2021/2022Coventry CityCHA35994541410517100
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2020/2021Swansea CityCHA27511292160000
2020/2021Brighton & Hov…PRL0000000000
2019/2020St. Pauli2.B1678261978157200
2018/2019Brighton & Hov…PRL0000030000
2018/2019Brighton U23PL216141917210710


Additionally, if you’re referring to his transfer from Brighton to Coventry then a quick Google reveals

“Gyökeres moved to Coventry City in July 2021 from Brighton & Hove Albion, for whom he made zero league appearances in total.” The 5 years thing seems to be an internet myth.

If you’re intent on posting to criticise people’s performance in their jobs, at least have the decency to do a little diligence.
 
Yeah, and we’ll give the manager time - of that I have no doubt. But there’s a world of difference between giving someone 12-18 months to see “a style” and “progress” and being adamant of giving someone 30-36 months + and still whipping out the excuses.

I think performances and results under EtH have also kind of skewed peoples perspective (& expectations) of this squad. Can’t really blame them, but we should be anticipating an automatic (& drastic) improvement in the next few months.

Yeah, what fans dont do is learn from past mistakes, instead we look at it as excuses. I gave Ten Hag too much time, always looking for the next excuse thinking about his players, players that dont suit his style like McTominay, Maguire etc...

Look at other managers, they find a way. I look at Ten Hag when he took over and he got his signings but alot of fans then said.. he cant play his style because we dont have a player like FDJ. This season Slot didn't get his Zubamendi midfielder.. he instead used one he has and adapted him to fit the purpose.. Ten Hag never did that.

I will give Ruben time but in 6 months I dont see a style of play beginning to take shape, I will have doubts about him succeeding. Managers dont need long.

Chelsea were like us last season, new manager 4 months in have a style of play.

Spurs went from Conte ball to Ange Ball in less than 6 months last season. We have a better squad than Spurs as well.
 
Absolutely ridiculous isn't it, the number of people who are on this forum daily who I presume watch a fair volume of football and yet haven't a clue what they're watching.

Do these people honestly believe that a single Sporting player, bar maybe Gyokeres would improve on the natural ability in our XI?

It's ALL about coaching...and coaching means implementing a viable system that the players understand and can execute.

EtH, and other Dutch managers for that matter, paralyse players with their ridiculously complex instructions and persistence in trying to make players something they are not - rather than just working out what they're good at and finding a way of promoting those qualities.
Yeh I agree 100%. Some people believe that the majority of the issues are down to the players and that's fine, but in my opinion the majority of it is down to the coach. Obviously some players are more naturally talented than others that goes without saying but I think a good manager that can motivate his players and play in a certain system always improves his players and gets the best out of them.

There's so many players that would be seen as average if they were in our team playing under ten hag, I'm specifically talking about players that are seen as good/great in teams that are above us. Take Man City for example, players like Ake, akanji, doku, kovacic, these aren't (or at least weren't) seen as great players until they went to Man City under pep. I think they'd have been terrible for us and they wouldn't be any better than what we have. Same goes for oh I dunno, havertz, martinelli, white, gakpo, jones, elliot. These are all just 'good' players that are seen as better than ours because of their managers. This isn't me saying our squad is better than the top 3, I still think it's slightly worse but again, there's not huge amounts in it, we're only as good as our manager in my opinion.

Same goes for the Newcastle, spurs, chelsea and Villa squads, don't think there's much in it at all. I think if you swapped emery for ten hag and kept the same players, we'd definitely finish above Villa for example.

It is definitely hard to see it because like I said we've been crap for ages, and Villa or whoever have obviously been really good for the last few years, but I think that's 100% down to coaching, and again as I said before I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about the players if at the end of next season the players still can't play the way amorim wants and gets us up the table, but until then I'm gonna remain optimistic and I think we're gonna be really good (still obviously need some ins and outs if we're talking about winning the league, but top 4 is definitely something we're good enough for)
 
Yeh I agree 100%. Some people believe that the majority of the issues are down to the players and that's fine, but in my opinion the majority of it is down to the coach. Obviously some players are more naturally talented than others that goes without saying but I think a good manager that can motivate his players and play in a certain system always improves his players and gets the best out of them.

There's so many players that would be seen as average if they were in our team playing under ten hag, I'm specifically talking about players that are seen as good/great in teams that are above us. Take Man City for example, players like Ake, akanji, doku, kovacic, these aren't (or at least weren't) seen as great players until they went to Man City under pep. I think they'd have been terrible for us and they wouldn't be any better than what we have. Same goes for oh I dunno, havertz, martinelli, white, gakpo, jones, elliot. These are all just 'good' players that are seen as better than ours because of their managers. This isn't me saying our squad is better than the top 3, I still think it's slightly worse but again, there's not huge amounts in it, we're only as good as our manager in my opinion.

Same goes for the Newcastle, spurs, chelsea and Villa squads, don't think there's much in it at all. I think if you swapped emery for ten hag and kept the same players, we'd definitely finish above Villa for example.

It is definitely hard to see it because like I said we've been crap for ages, and Villa or whoever have obviously been really good for the last few years, but I think that's 100% down to coaching, and again as I said before I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about the players if at the end of next season the players still can't play the way amorim wants and gets us up the table, but until then I'm gonna remain optimistic and I think we're gonna be really good (still obviously need some ins and outs if we're talking about winning the league, but top 4 is definitely something we're good enough for)
Yeah totally agree on the player comparison front.

Bold statement I know but I can't think of a single Villa player that I'd want starting for us, and yet look at them, 4th last season and beating Bayern this season.

The likes of Watkins, Tielemans, Pau Torres and Morgan Rogers are 'good' players...but that's it. The difference is, they have been organised and drilled by a very very good coach, whereas our lads are more talented but have had an absolute maniac in-charge for three seasons.

Football should be simple. If the instructions aren't clear and easy to execute, then you've failed as a coach.
 
I would hope we don’t need to also. But how many of our players would have got in Sporting’s starting X1 tonight - not many imo.

I think there’s every chance that under different management and full of confidence, within a year you’ll think 5-6 would get in. If Sporting don’t get their replacement right, it might be up to as many as 9-10 in a year’s time if they see a big drop off.
Let’s not forget that Ugarte, who looks as average as if gets for us so far, and one of our worst players, with Eriksen looking far superior to him, was one of this Sporting sides best players just 2 seasons ago.

You don’t seriously think that if ETH had this Sporting squad in the Premier League, he’d be up fighting City & Liverpool do you? I’d imagine he’d be even closer to relegation.
 
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He’s got charisma which is a big plus but is he almost too nice?

He’s gonna have to deal with a lot of shit (the press, lazy players, terrible refs) so I hope he’s got a bit of an edge to him as well.

The comment about play style was innocuous and fine in context but predictably the press have jumped all over it. I expect it will be brought up fairly regularly.
 
Have you analysed Gyokeres’ performance 5 years ago? Or are you comparing his price then to his performances now, which is pretty low on logic?

Here’s his stats for the last 5 years, seem to show a late developer still to consistently prove himself at the highest level



Additionally, if you’re referring to his transfer from Brighton to Coventry then a quick Google reveals

“Gyökeres moved to Coventry City in July 2021 from Brighton & Hove Albion, for whom he made zero league appearances in total.” The 5 years thing seems to be an internet myth.

If you’re intent on posting to criticise people’s performance in their jobs, at least have the decency to do a little diligence.
People just parrot shit they've seen on Twitter with zero critical thinking.
 
Yeah totally agree on the player comparison front.

Bold statement I know but I can't think of a single Villa player that I'd want starting for us, and yet look at them, 4th last season and beating Bayern this season.

The likes of Watkins, Tielemans, Pau Torres and Morgan Rogers are 'good' players...but that's it. The difference is, they have been organised and drilled by a very very good coach, whereas our lads are more talented but have had an absolute maniac in-charge for three seasons.

Football should be simple. If the instructions aren't clear and easy to execute, then you've failed as a coach.

Thing is, we have never had an elite coach, so I can see why its difficult for fans.

We see teams across Europe being well coached, playing good football with good players.

How many times over the years have we seen players go from a well coached system to another team and look poor because they are not coached, at United almost all of our signings.

So I will give him a few months to coach these and then decide who doesn't make the cut.
 
I think he's not stupid. He's one of the most sought after managers. If he thinks our squad is way worse compared to Sporting Lisbon, he wouldn't have agreed to join. He joined because he knows he can work with it... surely. Doesn't strike me as a short sighted manager who takes job just for the money.
 
I think he's not stupid. He's one of the most sought after managers. If he thinks our squad is way worse compared to Sporting Lisbon, he wouldn't have agreed to join. He joined because he knows he can work with it... surely. Doesn't strike me as a short sighted manager who takes job just for the money.
To be honest, I think he joined because we’re currently shit and that will give him remit to mould it alongside the lads above him.
 
They asked him if he's going to take pointers on how to face City (with United) from this game?

He said - "we are a Portuguese team that faced many hardships and in the last four years we completely changed our squad (there's maybe 2 or 3 players that remain) and that has informed the way we play - transitions, waiting for the opponent etc - my next club is a different dimension, so the approach has to be completely different, so I'm not taking much from this. Up close I'll be able to ascertain better the team dynamics and what's possible (there are many variations), but I'm not taking much from this, we're going to approach it differently, we'll have to play differently - especially long-term - maybe short-term not as much, but long-term we can't have this behaviour (the way Sporting played today), because they're historic clubs that will be fighting for the same goals(targets) so it will be a different approach and different game. We grew in the past 2 years, but looking at today's game we had a little bit of luck, last time we faced them we were unlucky - the first four times they attacked last year, they scored - this time around they were pushing us and we couldn't get hold of the ball, but the game changed when we equalised close to half-time and the game changed - we are a better team (than we were 2 years ago) - but looking solely at this game what changed was luck, and this time around it went our way."

note - by the way I translated the question he was asked in Portuguese. He answered a question asked by the British press in a similar manner.
Good hopefully that means no counter attack and more possession dominance. Like a real big team. Maybe he's echoing the brief he's been given by Utd
 
He mightve meant we can't play the way they played last nite. With pure counter attack and 28% possession etc

That's exactly what he meant. He answered about two or three questions in a similar fashion. The one in portuguese at the post-match presser than I translated, then another one in English same post match press - and from recollection he had a similar answer right after the game with the CL reporters.

He was pretty adamant that United won't be playing like Sporting played last night, long-term. That Sporting rode a little bit of their luck yesterday (he also pointed out that they'd previously been unlucky against City). He also said his players were a bit - somewhat nervous initially yesterday - but the equaliser calmed them down, and scoring early in the second half gave them the momentum, but he didn't even put those early second half goals down to tactical adjustments. All in all he said Sporting's circumstances informed the way they played yesterday, but that he can't take much from it as it pertains to United because it's a different dimension, with different expectations and so it will require a different approach.
 
Based on purely individual talents, not how they work together in a team. If you want to take a look at team metrics then Sporting destroy us. Which is why I expressed my concern about their mentality within the club.

I'm not so sure about writing our players off. Some are saying we have to buy specialist CBs when the majority (dare I say all) CBs likely have converted from playing 4 at the back to 3, including Sportings. Same applies to their wingbacks, these players have been coached by Amorim to play in those positions, no reason why he can't do the same here. The only thing I think might be an issue is whether we have players with the stamina to play wingback, although I think Dalot does.
 
Are people being pessimistic for the sake of it? I can't wait for him to start and bloody excited to see where he takes us.
Yeah really head scratching. If you can’t feel positive about what’s going on with tut club right now you may as well pack up and go home. Football isn’t for you.

I’ve been inundated with messages from non United supporters saying you must be buzzing and excited with Amorim etc yet you come here and there’s a large chunk of posters seeking every negative they possibly can.
 
Are people being pessimistic for the sake of it? I can't wait for him to start and bloody excited to see where he takes us.
I'm genuinely excited. Can't wait to see what he can do with players like Højlund, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno, Dalot/Maz, Garnacho and even Casemiro just to mention some.

Really hope he doesn't stray away from his own style of play, maybe at the start he has to tweak it a little to fit our current players. Just don't abandon it completely.

I'm so excited I started a new FM save with hs with up to date database and created a "Amorim esque" tactic.
 
Yeah really head scratching. If you can’t feel positive about what’s going on with tut club right now you may as well pack up and go home. Football isn’t for you.

I’ve been inundated with messages from non United supporters saying you must be buzzing and excited with Amorim etc yet you come here and there’s a large chunk of posters seeking every negative they possibly can.

It seems like you are not allowed to be a fan anymore. People are quick to call you out on positivity if things dont go well. Fans are more concerned about being right than support the club.

When you hire a good coach, they get the team playing in a system, togetherness which is what is needed.

The first thing Amorim needs to get into these players head is, its a team game, alot of our players are too self focused, mainly the attackers. Hojlund, Bruno, Garnacho and Rashford all play for themselves, which makes teamwork difficult.

If Garnacho / Rashford running on the wing, the players inside have no idea what they will do, so you cant make runs.. if they knew that in that position this player will make this action, you can prepare for it.

I think Amorim will bring that and we will see a different Manutd in a short time.
 
Incredible how this quote is being spun completely out of context. What he was saying is actually positive.
Exactly why I posted this version... I took it in a positive way as well.

Posted above as well, he will probably have to tweak it a little to accommodate our current players.
 
Do you know which players are actually out for international duty? How many of the first XI-ish players (Onana, Dalot, Yoro, Martinez, De Ligt, Mazraoui, Mainoo, Ugarte, Casemiro, Bruno, Garnacho, Mount, Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee) will be available?
Not nearly enough to enable anything like a collective angle to training.