Sack Ashworth, hire Coventry's head of recruitment. Why couldn't anyone else see his value?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Sack Ashworth, hire Coventry's head of recruitment. Why couldn't anyone else see his value?
It seems like you have a shit suspicion. People are generally making shit up in hindsight
How are they well documented.
Have you analysed Gyokeres’ performance 5 years ago? Or are you comparing his price then to his performances now, which is pretty low on logic?
Here’s his stats for the last 5 years, seem to show a late developer still to consistently prove himself at the highest level
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| 2024/2025 | Sporting Lisbon | PRL | 885 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2023/2024 | Sporting Lisbon | PRL | 2914 | 33 | 32 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 29 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| 2022/2023 | Coventry City | CHA | 4321 | 49 | 47 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 21 | 8 | 0 | 0 |
| 2021/2022 | Coventry City | CHA | 3599 | 45 | 41 | 4 | 10 | 5 | 17 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| 2020/2021 | Coventry City | CHA | 754 | 19 | 7 | 12 | 5 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2020/2021 | Swansea City | CHA | 275 | 11 | 2 | 9 | 2 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2020/2021 | Brighton & Hov… | PRL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2019/2020 | St. Pauli | 2.B | 1678 | 26 | 19 | 7 | 8 | 15 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| 2018/2019 | Brighton & Hov… | PRL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2018/2019 | Brighton U23 | PL2 | 1614 | 19 | 17 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 0 |
Additionally, if you’re referring to his transfer from Brighton to Coventry then a quick Google reveals
“Gyökeres moved to Coventry City in July 2021 from Brighton & Hove Albion, for whom he made zero league appearances in total.” The 5 years thing seems to be an internet myth.
If you’re intent on posting to criticise people’s performance in their jobs, at least have the decency to do a little diligence.
Quite happy with the result last night because it probably increases the players willingness to buy into his ideas.
Yeah, what fans dont do is learn from past mistakes, instead we look at it as excuses. I gave Ten Hag too much time, always looking for the next excuse thinking about his players, players that dont suit his style like McTominay, Maguire etc...
Look at other managers, they find a way. I look at Ten Hag when he took over and he got his signings but alot of fans then said.. he cant play his style because we dont have a player like FDJ. This season Slot didn't get his Zubamendi midfielder.. he instead used one he has and adapted him to fit the purpose.. Ten Hag never did that.
I will give Ruben time but in 6 months I dont see a style of play beginning to take shape, I will have doubts about him succeeding. Managers dont need long.
Chelsea were like us last season, new manager 4 months in have a style of play.
Spurs went from Conte ball to Ange Ball in less than 6 months last season. We have a better squad than Spurs as well.
Yeh I agree 100%. Some people believe that the majority of the issues are down to the players and that's fine, but in my opinion the majority of it is down to the coach. Obviously some players are more naturally talented than others that goes without saying but I think a good manager that can motivate his players and play in a certain system always improves his players and gets the best out of them.
There's so many players that would be seen as average if they were in our team playing under ten hag, I'm specifically talking about players that are seen as good/great in teams that are above us. Take Man City for example, players like Ake, akanji, doku, kovacic, these aren't (or at least weren't) seen as great players until they went to Man City under pep. I think they'd have been terrible for us and they wouldn't be any better than what we have. Same goes for oh I dunno, havertz, martinelli, white, gakpo, jones, elliot. These are all just 'good' players that are seen as better than ours because of their managers. This isn't me saying our squad is better than the top 3, I still think it's slightly worse but again, there's not huge amounts in it, we're only as good as our manager in my opinion.
Same goes for the Newcastle, spurs, chelsea and Villa squads, don't think there's much in it at all. I think if you swapped emery for ten hag and kept the same players, we'd definitely finish above Villa for example.
It is definitely hard to see it because like I said we've been crap for ages, and Villa or whoever have obviously been really good for the last few years, but I think that's 100% down to coaching, and again as I said before I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about the players if at the end of next season the players still can't play the way amorim wants and gets us up the table, but until then I'm gonna remain optimistic and I think we're gonna be really good (still obviously need some ins and outs if we're talking about winning the league, but top 4 is definitely something we're good enough for)
Yeah totally agree on the player comparison front.
Bold statement I know but I can't think of a single Villa player that I'd want starting for us, and yet look at them, 4th last season and beating Bayern this season.
The likes of Watkins, Tielemans, Pau Torres and Morgan Rogers are 'good' players...but that's it. The difference is, they have been organised and drilled by a very very good coach, whereas our lads are more talented but have had an absolute maniac in-charge for three seasons.
Football should be simple. If the instructions aren't clear and easy to execute, then you've failed as a coach.
I think there’s every chance that under different management and full of confidence, within a year you’ll think 5-6 would get in. If Sporting don’t get their replacement right, it might be up to as many as 9-10 in a year’s time if they see a big drop off.
Let’s not forget that Ugarte, who looks as average as if gets for us so far, and one of our worst players, with Eriksen looking far superior to him, was one of this Sporting sides best players just 2 seasons ago.
You don’t seriously think that if ETH had this Sporting squad in the Premier League, he’d be up fighting City & Liverpool do you? I’d imagine he’d be even closer to relegation.
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He’s got charisma which is a big plus but is he almost too nice?
He’s gonna have to deal with a lot of shit (the press, lazy players, terrible refs) so I hope he’s got a bit of an edge to him as well.
The comment about play style was innocuous and fine in context but predictably the press have jumped all over it. I expect it will be brought up fairly regularly.
He’s gonna have to deal with a lot of shit (the press, lazy players, terrible refs) so I hope he’s got a bit of an edge to him as well.
The comment about play style was innocuous and fine in context but predictably the press have jumped all over it. I expect it will be brought up fairly regularly.
People just parrot shit they've seen on Twitter with zero critical thinking.Have you analysed Gyokeres’ performance 5 years ago? Or are you comparing his price then to his performances now, which is pretty low on logic?
Here’s his stats for the last 5 years, seem to show a late developer still to consistently prove himself at the highest level
Season Team Comp 2024/2025 Sporting Lisbon PRL 885 10 10 0 1 0 16 0 0 0 2023/2024 Sporting Lisbon PRL 2914 33 32 1 2 2 29 3 0 0 2022/2023 Coventry City CHA 4321 49 47 2 0 2 21 8 0 0 2021/2022 Coventry City CHA 3599 45 41 4 10 5 17 1 0 0 2020/2021 Coventry City CHA 754 19 7 12 5 16 3 0 0 0 2020/2021 Swansea City CHA 275 11 2 9 2 16 0 0 0 0 2020/2021 Brighton & Hov… PRL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2019/2020 St. Pauli 2.B 1678 26 19 7 8 15 7 2 0 0 2018/2019 Brighton & Hov… PRL 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 2018/2019 Brighton U23 PL2 1614 19 17 2 1 0 7 1 0
Additionally, if you’re referring to his transfer from Brighton to Coventry then a quick Google reveals
“Gyökeres moved to Coventry City in July 2021 from Brighton & Hove Albion, for whom he made zero league appearances in total.” The 5 years thing seems to be an internet myth.
If you’re intent on posting to criticise people’s performance in their jobs, at least have the decency to do a little diligence.
Thing is, we have never had an elite coach, so I can see why its difficult for fans.
We see teams across Europe being well coached, playing good football with good players.
How many times over the years have we seen players go from a well coached system to another team and look poor because they are not coached, at United almost all of our signings.
So I will give him a few months to coach these and then decide who doesn't make the cut.
Eh? Go away.
I think he's not stupid. He's one of the most sought after managers. If he thinks our squad is way worse compared to Sporting Lisbon, he wouldn't have agreed to join. He joined because he knows he can work with it... surely. Doesn't strike me as a short sighted manager who takes job just for the money.
Are people being pessimistic for the sake of it? I can't wait for him to start and bloody excited to see where he takes us.
To be honest, I think he joined because we’re currently shit and that will give him remit to mould it alongside the lads above him.
He smashed City 4-1 and there's people being pessimistic?
Good hopefully that means no counter attack and more possession dominance. Like a real big team. Maybe he's echoing the brief he's been given by Utd
I get that vibe reading here a wee bit?
He mightve meant we can't play the way they played last nite. With pure counter attack and 28% possession etc
Typical caf then.
That's exactly what he meant. He answered about two or three questions in a similar fashion. The one in portuguese at the post-match presser than I translated, then another one in English same post match press - and from recollection he had a similar answer right after the game with the CL reporters.
He was pretty adamant that United won't be playing like Sporting played last night, long-term. That Sporting rode a little bit of their luck yesterday (he also pointed out that they'd previously been unlucky against City). He also said his players were a bit - somewhat nervous initially yesterday - but the equaliser calmed them down, and scoring early in the second half gave them the momentum, but he didn't even put those early second half goals down to tactical adjustments. All in all he said Sporting's circumstances informed the way they played yesterday, but that he can't take much from it as it pertains to United because it's a different dimension, with different expectations and so it will require a different approach.
I'm not so sure about writing our players off. Some are saying we have to buy specialist CBs when the majority (dare I say all) CBs likely have converted from playing 4 at the back to 3, including Sportings. Same applies to their wingbacks, these players have been coached by Amorim to play in those positions, no reason why he can't do the same here. The only thing I think might be an issue is whether we have players with the stamina to play wingback, although I think Dalot does.
Yeah really head scratching. If you can’t feel positive about what’s going on with tut club right now you may as well pack up and go home. Football isn’t for you.
I’ve been inundated with messages from non United supporters saying you must be buzzing and excited with Amorim etc yet you come here and there’s a large chunk of posters seeking every negative they possibly can.
Expecting nothing less than him winning every single game.
I'm genuinely excited. Can't wait to see what he can do with players like Højlund, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno, Dalot/Maz, Garnacho and even Casemiro just to mention some.
Really hope he doesn't stray away from his own style of play, maybe at the start he has to tweak it a little to fit our current players. Just don't abandon it completely.
I'm so excited I started a new FM save with hs with up to date database and created a "Amorim esque" tactic.
First draw and it's "Amorim out". No pressure.
Watch the press conference. They ignored the full quote for effect.
Incredible how this quote is being spun completely out of context. What he was saying is actually positive.
It seems like you are not allowed to be a fan anymore. People are quick to call you out on positivity if things dont go well. Fans are more concerned about being right than support the club.
When you hire a good coach, they get the team playing in a system, togetherness which is what is needed.
The first thing Amorim needs to get into these players head is, its a team game, alot of our players are too self focused, mainly the attackers. Hojlund, Bruno, Garnacho and Rashford all play for themselves, which makes teamwork difficult.
If Garnacho / Rashford running on the wing, the players inside have no idea what they will do, so you cant make runs.. if they knew that in that position this player will make this action, you can prepare for it.
I think Amorim will bring that and we will see a different Manutd in a short time.
I remember so many of these types of tweets for the final months of ten hags ajax.
Exactly why I posted this version... I took it in a positive way as well.
Posted above as well, he will probably have to tweak it a little to accommodate our current players.
Not nearly enough to enable anything like a collective angle to training.
"Not as defensive" was his specific point.
I know I shouldn't as a Utd supporter but I actually feel sorry for the guy. Sporting looks like such a happy camp with players working their arses off for each other. He's in for a shock when he comes to the misery that is United and players that cant be arsed.
Good news.
It was an impressive win today, but United shouldn't play as a giant underdog vs the best teams.
We absolutely should until we have the quality to match them toe to toe. Heck Sir Alex's best teams would often be pragmatic, its how we enjoyed a bit more success in Europe during the later years of his tenure.
It's a great challenge for him, people who are great leaders are not concerned about these situations because they will back themselves to be able to change the situation. If he can't do that then he is not the right person for the club, maybe the right person doesn't exist, it will be extremely difficult to bring the club back to where it should be.
It certainly is a high risk high reward type career move for him. If he succeeds he'll have done what half a dozen or so managers (some with legendary reputations) have failed to do.
But on the other hand he might realise he's taken Sporting as far as he can take them. As good as they are now, he'll always contend with the reality of having his best players constantly poached by bigger clubs, and that no honeymoon period is sustainable at a club like that. I think Alonso is experiencing that at Leverkusen now. The only risk I feel he's taken is latching on to the opportunity now instead of waiting it out for a 'safer' move to a club like City, Madrid or Bayern. But again if he does return United to the ascendancy that only cements his legacy as being legendary.