Insults can be true though?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Why are fans forgetting that it was Rashford who came out with an interview with a journalist saying he is ready for a new challenge...
After a new manager gets appointed, he says that but that isn't an insult to the club and the manager but when the manager asks him to train, its an insult.
After a new manager gets appointed, he says that but that isn't an insult to the club and the manager but when the manager asks him to train, its an insult.
Subscribe 100%. Too many fanboys on comments. His behaviour in last couple months has been disgraceful.
He didn't even respected the incoming of a new manager. Entitlement runs deep on his veins.
Any other player other than the "academy kid who will be a boy with potential forever and feeds children" would be grilled to the bones by everyone here.
Why are people saying Amorim insults Rashford? He is earning 300k a week and he shouldn't be in this situation at all in the first place.
Any professional athlete should be giving his/her 110% everyday, let alone a top athletic like him being paid 300k a week. He has no shame, so it's not an insult!
He is insulting himself by getting into this situation in a club he loves and pay him 300k a week.
Stop all these nonsense and train hard to get back into the team. Stop all the laziness, partying, egos and whatnot. Be a professional!
Any professional athlete should be giving his/her 110% everyday, let alone a top athletic like him being paid 300k a week. He has no shame, so it's not an insult!
He is insulting himself by getting into this situation in a club he loves and pay him 300k a week.
Stop all these nonsense and train hard to get back into the team. Stop all the laziness, partying, egos and whatnot. Be a professional!
Exactly. Rashford is the one who went public first. There's no point in Amorim trying to protect him. You can't do an interview saying you want a new challenge then train like shite and expect the coach to protect you. It would send the wrong message to the rest of the squad who are out there giving 100% day in and day out. He's on over 300k a week and can't be bothered to turn up. He absolutely deserves to be called out publicly for it. It's a disgrace.
The culture at the club has to change.
Exactly, new manager comes in he fecks off to America..
The manager sets the rules and then he disobeys them... went out clubbing on Thursday before Manchester derby as reported.
Its crazy how he carries on disrespecting the manager, fans and his team mates, but he is playing the victim card.
He has got managers sacked, the board backs him because he is the poster boy, finally we have a manager and board that are not having any of it.
Who has he insulted? It’s an incredibly soft take to say he insulted Rashford by saying he won’t pick players that don’t train hard enough. Would you ever get yourself in a position where you allow a manager to make that statement about you? And if you did, would you say it was fair? Or fair to the other lads that do train hard enough to be eligible for selection?
People acting like he called Onana a cnut for parrying the ball straight to a Brighton player. He only said he won’t pick players that don’t train well. If that’s the mentality then they’ll never make it in life, at football or anything that involves challenge.
This is all on Rashford, not Amorim. Amorim was merely making the point that application trumps ability.
Rashford is the highest paid player, a huge public profile, yet he's arrogant, entitled and about as lazy as a professional footballer can possibly be. He desperately needed calling out, people need to stop crying about it and get behind Amorim.
Rashford is the highest paid player, a huge public profile, yet he's arrogant, entitled and about as lazy as a professional footballer can possibly be. He desperately needed calling out, people need to stop crying about it and get behind Amorim.
? De Gea can‘t pass out the back and made horrendous mistakes.
What's the point of having a GK or CB that can play out if the rest of your team can't maintain possession in the opponents half? Pointless
If you're doing a shit job and someone says, I'd rather have someone else do that job because you're not doing enough.
That's not really an insult if it's true.
I suspect Marcus isn't putting in the effort Ruben requires because he is also realising that beyond developing his physic and pace, the development of his footballing intelligence is not keeping up with these other attributes.
Rashford is still reluctant to run onto the ball, wanting it delivered at his feet; when he does receive it out wide, he stops still immediately, taking any forward momentum out of the move as he faces up to the first defender. Immediately the space to go either outside or inside the first defender is cut-off by a second defender. If he is well outside the box, he will occasionally look for a 'wall type' return pass, otherwise his movement tends to be to try to force his way into the box, at an angle, hoping to find a way through, or to induce a penalty.
This 'down-the-line cameo' of Rashford's is seen repeatedly in his recent appearances. If you add to this 'rinse and repeat' scenario, the fact that if he does not make any real effort to get back and defend, if he does it's at walking pace... even when he sees opposition runners going past him.
I suspect that whatever other issues outside football are affecting Marcus, the realisation that his on-the-pitch effectiveness is 'plateauing out', that his skill level has not progressed and is still basically what it was 3 or 4 years back, hence his 'party pieces' such as they are, are well known by all defenders and their coaches in the PL.
Ruben could probably help him, but only if Rashford shows he is willing to join in the Amorim development project, which he must realise will continue, with or without him.
Rashford is still reluctant to run onto the ball, wanting it delivered at his feet; when he does receive it out wide, he stops still immediately, taking any forward momentum out of the move as he faces up to the first defender. Immediately the space to go either outside or inside the first defender is cut-off by a second defender. If he is well outside the box, he will occasionally look for a 'wall type' return pass, otherwise his movement tends to be to try to force his way into the box, at an angle, hoping to find a way through, or to induce a penalty.
This 'down-the-line cameo' of Rashford's is seen repeatedly in his recent appearances. If you add to this 'rinse and repeat' scenario, the fact that if he does not make any real effort to get back and defend, if he does it's at walking pace... even when he sees opposition runners going past him.
I suspect that whatever other issues outside football are affecting Marcus, the realisation that his on-the-pitch effectiveness is 'plateauing out', that his skill level has not progressed and is still basically what it was 3 or 4 years back, hence his 'party pieces' such as they are, are well known by all defenders and their coaches in the PL.
Ruben could probably help him, but only if Rashford shows he is willing to join in the Amorim development project, which he must realise will continue, with or without him.
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Good manager, hopefully get the rot of the club just like arteta did.
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Everyone knows who Rashford is, any club potentially interested will have known he has his issues and could be disruptive. I don't think Amorim's words will have much of an impact.
Players like Lingard, Sancho and Rashford were coddled for far too long by a series of managers. Amorim has a duty to end this crap.
If we had been winning trophies and making top four on a regular basis and these players played an important role in those successes Ole or ETH would still be here and Amorim somewhere else. Ruben, carry on.
If we had been winning trophies and making top four on a regular basis and these players played an important role in those successes Ole or ETH would still be here and Amorim somewhere else. Ruben, carry on.
I'm not saying I think it was smart of Rashford to do that interview, but it happened AFTER he and Garnacho was dropped from the squad against City and:
Yes that is not super harsh, he could have taken it on the chin and returned later like Garnacho. But this probably came together with some internal discussions that he wasn't happy with. Telling the media you are ready for a new challenge can also mean a new challenge in the club, a different role/project etc.
Just saying Rashford's interview didn't come out of nowhere. Amorim had first strike in a public way. Could potentially have benched them and not brought em on. Or at least more vague with why dropped.
agreed.
Yeah, and imagine how that looks to a new manager?! New guy comes in asks for a certain level of attitude and application, doesn't see it in training and so drops the player, player then immediately (2 days later) releases statement saying that he's ready for a new challenge away from the club. That's fecked up.
I can see him receiving options to join the MLS in the summer. If the finances work out for all parties then it could happen. He’ll be closer to his New York buddies and all the other bling BS.
Should have answered it like he answered it the previous hundred times. He clearly got riled up & gave a blunt answer, when a more level headed response would have been to take the diplomatic route.
Rashford went out clubbing the Thursday before the Manchester Derby....
Its true Amorim would rather not play rashy at all yes. The way he phrased it is still insulting. We can move on though
Sorry.
he didn't appear at all riled up, but I expect he's extremely tired of being asked the same questions time and again. Whether he was right or wrong to use the analogy he did at least everyone - players, fans, pundits, journalists, potential new signings etc etc - are all now in full understanding that attitude and application are the single most important things to him. Anyone not meeting those standards will be held to account, and in the long term it is a good thing for the club to take a hard line on.
Big supporter of Amorim, but I have to be consistent because i was one of the few that thought ETH was wrong to publicly call out Sancho for being a poor trainer post the Arsenal away loss.
As much as Sancho and now Rashford may have been performing under the required standards in training, it cant help when it comes to getting rid of them, which has to be the end goal.
If the training is so poor to not get in the squad right now, why has he not been put in the reserves? Surly, if the training and attiture is so bad, then it must be a drag on the rest of the squad to have him around?
As much as Sancho and now Rashford may have been performing under the required standards in training, it cant help when it comes to getting rid of them, which has to be the end goal.
If the training is so poor to not get in the squad right now, why has he not been put in the reserves? Surly, if the training and attiture is so bad, then it must be a drag on the rest of the squad to have him around?
If I understand you right here, what you're saying is that Amorim should have been less harsh, more diplomatic in his response - because this makes sense business wise: United want someone to buy (or at least loan) the player before the window closes.
Which isn't an unreasonable point to make - sure. The "I'd rather play a 63 old year old coach than this fecker" wasn't absolutely necessary, he could have worded it differently.
But, two things:
1) It's not Amorim's job to get rid of Rashford (either on loan or permanently).
2) He only genuinely fecked up with his remark if his employers didn't want him to make it. I personally would like to think he - Amorim - and the ones above him are on the same page here.
Rashford has had a lot of baggage for a while. went off to Belfast. School meals etc,But when criticised he woulld always come back and smash a couple of goals in and everything would be forgotten.
Thats not happening now and he seems to have given up with serious training. Big question who would take a chance on him in the next week?
Thats not happening now and he seems to have given up with serious training. Big question who would take a chance on him in the next week?
People are acting like the rest of the footballing World doesn't know what is going on with Rashford and Amorim has shed light on an unknown mystery about him. Every sane person with a pair of eyes can see that Rashford for the past few seasons:
- Does not track back
- Does not put 100% effort into each game
- Has disciplinary issues
- Does not contest for balls
- Has been dropped by 2 different coaches for stuff off the field
Its quite interesting that fans will say... oh it reduces his market value... would Amorim coming out saying he is amazing, model professional, the best trainer increase his market value and more teams come in?
No, in most cases the teams buying him couldn't care less what the current manager said, if the player fits the profile they need, they will go for him.
There is a reason there is no concrete interest, all the talk has been from his agent going round Europe trying to get a buyer, he has failed at that.
Rashford might be the shining face of "local lad privilege". If he was French or German and we'd bought him as a young player years ago people would have been fed up LONG before now. Instead he's had every excuse under the sun laid out for him for 4+ years and even now has people backing him and saying Amorim is in the wrong. It's insane really.
No matter what had happened, Rashford’s performances on the pitch have been horrendous for a good year and a bit now. Just not good enough for United, and rightfully dropped. That interview scuppered any hope of him being given a chance again.
Agree - He’s been dire now for 3 seasons out the last 4 really.
100%, time to move him on, get behind the manager on this one, Rashford has seen off enough Managers
It is worse when Bayindir plays. Onana is very comfortable on the ball.
You are right though on us losing the ball too much.
Rashford has a contract till 2028.
There is a slight possibility that Amorim will not be here in 2028. Especially, if we continue to play like this.
There is a slight possibility that Amorim will not be here in 2028. Especially, if we continue to play like this.
No he didn't, he mentioned no names.
He was speaking on the topic of Rashford and referenced playing the GK coach over someone who didn't train 100%. He didn't need to mention Rashford directly given the question was specifically about the player.
You expect Rashford to survive Amorim..? Nightmare fuel.
Absolutely love Amorim for his treatment of Rashford. Exactly what we've needed for years. Zero tolerance for lazy bellends with bad attitudes
Agreed, and for balance, Rashford didn't say that his new challenge meant playing alsewhere - though we all know what both statements really meant
Not true - he said: "I will put Vital (goalkeeper coach Jorge) before I put a player that does not give the maximum every day. I will not change in that." Pretty funny really and no less than any fan would want, surely?
That was his reply to a question about Rashford. There is no illusion whatsoever who he was talking about, even if the general point applies to all players