I love our stadium fans cheering Amorim. Sends a message to the squad that the fans believe in him and they shouldn't hope to outlast him at the club. Rashford has surrounded himself with an echo chamber of family members living off him as their meal ticket and making decisions to line their pockets and his. They praise him and tell him he is being treated unfairly but probably never dare to tell him (less he get upset) to train harder.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
Perhaps, but there was a period of a couple of months towards the end of the season where Casemiro seemed to get so fed up of the stupidity of the system (he was by far the most impacted) that it looked like he wasn't taking it seriously anymore. Downing tools may be too strong a term, but it looked like he didn't really care anymore. And I couldn't even really blame him too much, as in a system that set everyone up to fail he was the one that was most screwed over.
As for Rashford, consistently not putting in any effort is the same as downing tools as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else was still trying despite the issues, but he stood out as the one player that wasn't. Amorim has come in and quickly decided the same is happening under him as well.
He was outrageous at Monaco, I thought we had got Mbappe before erm Mbappe.
That was 21/22, Martial's worst season. The only one where he was at a similar (if not worse) level as Hojlund and Zirkzee have been this season.
After that, he got back to generally being decent-to-good when he was actually able to play. Still not good enough, but when fit he'd easily walk into this team and be an improvement. The fitness issues were just getting worse though so there's no reason to think he'd actually have been able to play very often.
Rashford, Cas (who also couldn’t be bothered to show up in shape that season) Martial, Pogba was always trying?, Cavani (played when he felt like it), Ronnie forced his way out, Sancho all at various times in various ways quit on their manager. Ole’s first game as caretaker certainly made it look like the team wasn’t really giving Jose their all. There are more, but that’s a hell of a lot of maximum wage players.
Jesus Christ! No one is saying it's written in his contract or whatever nonsense. The point is that it is not a good idea to downplay an asset you are trying to offload. Anyway, his massively inflated contract is a hindrance in moving him on. There was no need to chastise him in public and make it harder.
This is not your 2 year old you are trying to cajole or coerce into doing something. This is a 27 year old on a huge contract that you want out. He can do a Gareth Bale and sit out the rest of it. The trick here is to find an amicable solution and get him out. Not antagonize him, while telling the world he is worse than a 63 year old, to move him on.
And if it doesn't because now clubs are skeptical that he is a lazy git on massive wages?
Pogba in LAM role next to Amad? Bruno as a CM next to Ugarte?
Do you honestly think there’s a club on earth who wasn’t already sceptical?
They will be more involved when the wingbacks maroud fwd
Thwt was truly great and hopefully gives him some poaitive energy
Ah sorry for hurting your feelings.
They spent half of that 2020-21 season in lower half and midtable. The point stil stands that it was a reset seadon for them. Got rid of Özil in january and shipped packing a useless striker at the end of the season ( similar isues that Man Utd has)
Heil Amorim
It actually says a lot about the state of the club that our academy products are the ones lagging in commitment. And the state of the support that managers are being asked to accommodate them. What would it have taken to show some effort for the couple months? Worst case scenario, summer. Just reset the whole culture already. That statement from Rashford was worse than anything Amorim said.
I like Amorim but one thing I know is when a manager publicly insults his own players it doesn't tend to work out for them in the long run.
Who has Amorim publicly insulted?
Wasn't much of an insult. He was answering the standard it took to get into the team for any player. It's more alarming that all this time giving effort was the simple hurdle that has been so hard for these academy products to scale. Worse yet these are the brats being used as matyrs to question his methods. He finally told us why they couldn't get into the team and it had nothing to do with 343s or 442s.
Rashford
It's a strange situation to be in. Given the context around everything in the club over the last few years (particularly the last 18 months), Amorim is getting appreciation for showing off the issues in public rather than protecting players. In one way, it's what we need. I remember thinking Ole and EtH would do it, but they never did. EtH tried with Sancho but could not stick with the stick. Ole was vibes, and tolerated mediocrity. Only possible exception was Ralf, but who cared about an interim, and was completely undermined by the leadership too.
I, for one, am fully behind what Amorim is doing and/ or trying to do through the media. What I am concerned about, though, is when the stuff does get sorted (IF), and still results + performances don't improve.
I, for one, am fully behind what Amorim is doing and/ or trying to do through the media. What I am concerned about, though, is when the stuff does get sorted (IF), and still results + performances don't improve.
Really? How did Amorim insult him?
Asking a footballer who is paid over 300k a week to train hard is an insult?
Just because they earn big money, doesn't mean they cant be called out for not doing the basics...
In what way was what Amorim said an insult to the player? He never once mentioned Rashford, he was saying its the same with any player, dont train, dont play.
Asking players to train is an insult now is it?
It's fake outrage over media and fan favourites not making the cut. Martial, Pogba and Sancho had literally the same implied about them and it was no cause for riot. It's a miracle Rashford made it so long while they all got sold, despite being very much as much of the same failed core.
Brilliant.
He said he'd rather have the reserve keeper instead of him, insinuating he doesn't give enough.
Thats insulting, regardless of whether it's true or fair. It's still an insulting comment to make toward the player.
Do I like the blunt nature from Amorim toward him? Yes. Is the words accurate? Probably. Do I think it's also quite insulting for Rashford? Yes.
They aren't mutually exclusive.
Rashford himself has insulted the fans for long enough.
If he takes offence to being held to basic standards of professionalism then that's on him.
I'm sure they'd already heard about these issues before. It's not exactly unknown. It'd clear that the only thing stopping a move is Marcus.
He actually said it was the 63 year old GK coach.
Thats neither here nor there.
Question was whether Amorim publicly insulted anyone and the answer is yes. Whether it's deserved is another matter..
He didn't say he will start reserve Gk, he said he would rather start the goalkeeping coach over players that dont train well.
There is no insult in that, if a player cannot do what he is paid to do so, its not an insult.
Every other player trains hard, why should this one player have special treatment. Its actually an insult to all the other players that actually train well and hard, what Rashford is doing.
I don't think he has though. He wasn't disrespectful, nasty, or abusive in what he said?
There is an insult because he's basically saying Rashford trains worse than if a 63 year old hypothetically tried to train and be match fit.
It's one thing saying "training wasn't great" (which is still an insult to the player by the way because they're openly questioning their commitment), and it's another to say his training is so bad a 63 year old can get ahead of him.
It's insane how you think that's not insulting to a professional footballer.
You think it's not insulting for Marcus to hear a 63 year old can train better than him?
If I keep giving my family food poisoning I wouldn't be insulted if they told me I wasn't very good at cooking.
That’s not what was said though is it
How would you have liked the manager to answer? He was specifically asked about whether it would be useful to have someone with Rashford's pace and ability in the squad. The insinuation from the questioner was 'are you not kinda cutting off your nose to spite your face here?'. It's hard to answer that question without criticising Rashford, and he tried to do it in a general way by essentially saying that however good a player might be he's worthless to the team if he's not prepared to show up with 100% commitment. Yes the words he chose were pretty incendiary, but the problem here lies with Rashford - even ex-United players like Rio and Gary Nev are saying it. The fans have seen it with their own eyes for years now. It's a mad world if the only person not allowed to speak the truth is the guy's manager.
It is, he said that if a 63 year old gave his best, it's better than what Rashford is doing and he'd literally put him on the bench instead.
This analogy is the equivalent of Rashford trying to boot the ball in his own net every single game.
There's no point, they have decided it isn't insulting because they agree with the manager and are anti-player. Rashford deserves to go for his lack of effort, and to be honest, he's clearly out of love with the game and wants to do other things. But we don't need to pretend that comments like this by the manager aren't insulting. Amorrim has been here for five minutes and has already dropped two clangers in pressers like this. Every pro-manager poster wants to compare all our newer managers to Fergie, but did Fergie throw players under the bus in 1986? No. Anything like what Amorrim said was said behind closed doors and it was done and dusted the next day.
He’s not saying a 63 year old can get ahead of him. He’s saying that the 63 year old, even though with much less ability, would be giving his full 100% effort, and that is what he wants to see.
It’s not that someone else can be more skilled than Rashford, it’s that they would be willing to work 110% for the shirt and he isn’t anywhere near that level of effort.
It’s better because he’s trying his best, not because he’d be a better footballer than Rashford.
You are misunderstanding. He's saying that allowing players to train poorly and then get into the squad is not acceptable to him.
He was actually making the point that he knows that we miss a player on the bench of Rashford's profile but it's about setting the standards and long termism