Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Are you assuming sancho , Erisken, lindelof and Cas are gone ? And Marcus too ? 80m is a big decrease.

Very few players will leave and new players want salary too.

I would actually say yes, by July Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen are all gone.

Their wages is a big saving, whilst we wont be offering any new signings anything over 150k a week.

Actually I add Antony to that as well. This is me basing on we do not get any transfer fee, just wages sabing is 80m.

If you get a light 20m for a Rashford say, that improves our position, Sancho 25m is coming anyway.

Garnacho 55m as well, we could be in for a summer where we have a 50m net spend.
 
Maz and Dalit as wingbacks means 0 offense, don't see why he continues with it.
This will be addressed in the summer. Possibly in the next week on one side if we sign Dorgu, I believe he’s more attack minded than the other 2
 
This will be addressed in the summer. Possibly in the next week on one side if we sign Dorgu, I believe he’s more attack minded than the other 2
I'm interested to see how Dorgu gets utilised. Maybe hel unlock something going forward through his ability to carry the ball, but I don't recall his creative stats to be great.
 
I'm interested to see how Dorgu gets utilised. Maybe hel unlock something going forward through his ability to carry the ball, but I don't recall his creative stats to be great.
His ball carrying will be useful. Not seen this proper since Shaws been out. I suppose his assist stats could become better if he’s playing with a decent striker. Something lecce and even us don’t have at the minute. He’s scored a couple of goals this season at RW so I’m wondering whether he has a decent shot on him.
 
His ball carrying will be useful. Not seen this proper since Shaws been out. I suppose his assist stats could become better if he’s playing with a decent striker. Something lecce and even us don’t have at the minute. He’s scored a couple of goals this season at RW so I’m wondering whether he has a decent shot on him.
Looks no different to Malacia or Wan Bissaka if I'm being honest.
 
Wrongfully. It's an extremely lazy take that the fanbase latched on to, when it hasn't really happened.

The only season that the squad seemed to down tools was 21/22, the Ole/Rangnick season. It certainly didn't happen under ETH, as it was notable that despite his unbelievably bad and naive tactics that the players kept trying their best (other than Rashford and possibly Casemiro for a couple of months). What we were seeing under him (and what we're still suffering from now) is that those tactics utterly destroyed the confidence and belief of the squad, which makes it significantly harder for the players to actually perform.

It didn't really happen under Mourinho either, as the players who would have had reason to down tools were actually the best performers and kept him in the job for months longer than he should have been (while the players that he loved the most were the ones performing the absolute worst like Lukaku and Matic). Certainly didn't happen under LVG either.
Mostly spot on but the bit in bold is an equally lazy take.

None of them downed tools. The tactics were broken and the team was lacking confidence. Casemiro is just old and shouldn't have played every week. Rashford was part of an underperforming strike force that's also struggling this season (even without him) because the structure behind them is rubbish.
 
I've said it before and will say it again, in the politest way possible, Amorim is stupid. If he wants rid of Rashford it is madness to say he is lazy and doesn’t train properly. That immediately reduces his saleability and value. Just talk about him being a good player who needs a fresh start. He and Ange are intransigent managers who get crap results and wont change. No one cares about philosophy if you’re losing.

I'm seriously concerned that Amorim, nice guy and all, is just out of his depth. And is confusing the ability to be flexible with weakness. Or more to the point believes being inflexible is strength
Right because the offers have just been flooding in prior to his comments. Rahsford isn’t worth anywhere near what he’s being paid and ultimately that’s why he’s impossible to sell. At this point it doesn’t what Amorim says or doesn’t about his attitude/training.
 
I swear there's a collective amnesia around Martial. He was absolutely rubbish for years, he was so bad we loaned him to Sevilla and they booed him off and sent him back.
We couldn't even loan him out in the end.

He's an annoying one, Martial. He had talent but at some point he became a head's gone. Maybe about the time he split with his wife/girlfriend? I can't remember which it was.
 
Amorim is an absolute supreme narcissist. He does not care about Manchester united. He didn't care about Sporting. What he cares the most is being in the spotlight - whether positively or negatively. He wanted to join us mid-season: not because he wanted to manage us, but because he wanted to be the sole focus of attention in the most popular league in the world.

He is destruction. And because he loves himself unconditionally, he will never change, he will take never responsibility. After the Ipswich match, he told the sport pundits that "no more press conferences after this one - I've done more in my first week of England than my whole time with sporting." This was just deflection from his true intention: to be a complete media whore.

He might bring some success, but my oh my, he doesn't give a damn about the club or the players. Those rumours of him flying over to west ham last season during midseason are true - he'll do anything to be the focus of attention. He'll say anything, do anything (even be sacked) to make sure his name is the headlines.
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Amorim is an absolute supreme narcissist. He does not care about Manchester united. He didn't care about Sporting. What he cares the most is being in the spotlight - whether positively or negatively. He wanted to join us mid-season: not because he wanted to manage us, but because he wanted to be the sole focus of attention in the most popular league in the world.

He is destruction. And because he loves himself unconditionally, he will never change, he will take never responsibility. After the Ipswich match, he told the sport pundits that "no more press conferences after this one - I've done more in my first week of England than my whole time with sporting." This was just deflection from his true intention: to be a complete media whore.

He might bring some success, but my oh my, he doesn't give a damn about the club or the players. Those rumours of him flying over to west ham last season during midseason are true - he'll do anything to be the focus of attention. He'll say anything, do anything (even be sacked) to make sure his name is the headlines.

Not even the worst post in here lately.
 
While not undeniably successful, they are still improvements on what we had before.

While not undeniably successful, they are still improvements on what we had before.
Hojlund and Zirkzee an improvement on Ronaldo and Martial? No
De Ligt an improvement on Varane? No
Casemiro was decent for half a season and then predictably a disaster
Malacia for Telles both terrible
Onana for De Gea both terrible

Disaster. We wouldn't get half of the £600m back if we tried.
 
I've said it before and will say it again, in the politest way possible, Amorim is stupid. If he wants rid of Rashford it is madness to say he is lazy and doesn’t train properly. That immediately reduces his saleability and value. Just talk about him being a good player who needs a fresh start. He and Ange are intransigent managers who get crap results and wont change. No one cares about philosophy if you’re losing.

I'm seriously concerned that Amorim, nice guy and all, is just out of his depth. And is confusing the ability to be flexible with weakness. Or more to the point believes being inflexible is strength
I'm inclined to agree with you. Not the cleverist in terms of speaking with the media when should be keeping things in the dressing room - so to speak.
 
He is such a likeable guy, we are all under his spell for now...can't do any wrong in my eyes.

On a separate note, I'd love to see him outsmart a team soon, maybe the Spurs game coming up, tactically any manager coming up against them must have a few ideas how to punish them.

We are still in the awkward Plan A stage but would be nice to see a Plan B every now and then to surprise the opposition.
 
Hojlund and Zirkzee an improvement on Ronaldo and Martial? No
De Ligt an improvement on Varane? No
Casemiro was decent for half a season and then predictably a disaster
Malacia for Telles both terrible
Onana for De Gea both terrible

Disaster. We wouldn't get half of the £600m back if we tried.
Hojlund and Zirkzee can run.

De Ligt is a replacement of Varane and doing fine.

Onana is better than De Gea.

I‘m not saying we are going to win the lot with these lads, but they aren‘t as bad as made out lately. Two cups and all that.
 
Hojlund and Zirkzee can run.

De Ligt is a replacement of Varane and doing fine.

Onana is better than De Gea.

I‘m not saying we are going to win the lot with these lads, but they aren‘t as bad as made out lately. Two cups and all that.
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Being still new to the Café I am spending a lot of time getting to know the etiquette of the forum and to see what kind of debates and views are held by members who post frequently on here. It is a bit disquieting to see what I think are some knee jerk reactions to the apparent lack of progress Amorim is making, as the match wore on against Fulham the amount of people hammering the players and our inability to create clear cut openings seemed like pure frustration to me and nothing more.

Being arguably the biggest club, certainly the most famous club in the world means the scrutiny on every aspect of what we do is pulled apart and reconfigured to serve a multitude of functions. Every two-bit hack spins their own two cents worth on what players are thinking, feeling, who’s in, who’s out. There are some interesting pundits and ‘analysts’ out there but in the main I tend to go along with Amorim’s own early assessment, that Man Utd is the ‘engine’ of the Premier league, and it keeps ratings up endlessly everywhere by peddling headlines with every scant bit of gossip real or imagined keeping many people in jobs. But we have also been a club in serious cultural, material and financial decline post Fergie, and arguably the rot set in well before the great man left when despite his wonderful achievements, our legendary manager possibly sowed these bad seeds over his falling out with the Irish boys over that bloody racehorse.

Regardless, ever since Fergie left the Glazers haven’t cared less about who or what was enriching themselves with a succession of dodgy transfers and poor commercial decisions that we are reaping today. The culture of the club changed to one of mercenary player power, and we’ve had quite a few of these, from Alexis Sanchez to Pogba, Sancho, Antony, the list goes on. Players knew we were a soft touch, and hell probably knew deep down they weren’t cut out for it but couldn’t turn down the chance to engineer a hefty pay check on a long contract, Casemiro being the most recent example. It’s quite telling that before Antony went out on loan, you have over 50 million pounds in wages per year either on the bench or not even in the squad! The mind boggles.

I believe that Ruben has been brought in to finally break apart and clear out this scourge of player power that is killing our club from the inside out, and that means pain in the short to medium term. Ruben is using every psychological trick in the book to out these charlatans that are only here to enrich themselves, and slowly he’s starting to get somewhere, and this means taking on the poster boy Rashford, one of the main pernicious influences in our dressing room the past 18 months for sure. Under previous managers, the players just dug their heels in whenever they didn’t like something, now their feet don’t touch the floor on the way out the door. Because Ruben has to break this toxic culture mid-season without time to properly train and bed in a different system, we have seen chaotic and unpredictable performances on the pitch. It’s not that the players can’t play three at the back, this is more down to they haven’t been moulded into a proper collective before and they forgot all the extras that come with that.

Genuine togetherness, camaraderie and desire to achieve only comes from a shared vision, a vision where you are prepared to die for the cause and for each other in the combat of Premier League football, when I was watching the Fulham game I wasn’t expecting to see free flowing attacking football, because Ruben has already explained this will be the last piece in the puzzle. We have become a low block counter attacking transition team, changing these habits and instincts into the progressive front foot football we all crave will happen but it will take time. Of course personnel have a major part to play in all this, but the squad is not as bad in places as some might think, once that collective spirit is ignited in the flames and sparks of desire, the magical alchemy of football can begin and will (hopefully) gather momentum with good signings of young, hungry athletic smart and ambitious players that are willing to sacrifice their egos to become one with Ruben’s philosophy of play and behaviour off the field.

I thought we did okay against Fulham, the things I was looking for were there, structure, cohesion, hard running when we lost the ball, the energy and dynamism of Collyer clearing off the line, the fight and spirit and will to win, to keep the opponent out, the energy of the away fans, it meant something to them all. Of course there are no certainties in football, but I hope that the board did their homework on Ruben, I hope they back him to the hilt, because if he is able to instil that collective spirit and togetherness and get everyone pushing each other to the limits of what is humanely possible, then we will by hook or crook, climb our way back into contention for the big prizes, I could be wrong but this is the feeling I get from everything that’s happened since Amorim arrived at the club.

In Ruben we trust!
 
Amorim is an absolute supreme narcissist. He does not care about Manchester united. He didn't care about Sporting. What he cares the most is being in the spotlight - whether positively or negatively. He wanted to join us mid-season: not because he wanted to manage us, but because he wanted to be the sole focus of attention in the most popular league in the world.

He is destruction. And because he loves himself unconditionally, he will never change, he will take never responsibility. After the Ipswich match, he told the sport pundits that "no more press conferences after this one - I've done more in my first week of England than my whole time with sporting." This was just deflection from his true intention: to be a complete media whore.

He might bring some success, but my oh my, he doesn't give a damn about the club or the players. Those rumours of him flying over to west ham last season during midseason are true - he'll do anything to be the focus of attention. He'll say anything, do anything (even be sacked) to make sure his name is the headlines.
What an utterly ridiculous post.
 
I swear there's a collective amnesia around Martial. He was absolutely rubbish for years, he was so bad we loaned him to Sevilla and they booed him off and sent him back.

I just went through his Utd career and he only score more than 10 league goals twice for us. 17 & 11 were his two best seasons.