Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

jonny's said:
Exactly why we looked and moved on. Would have meant we would have had to tear up the whole foundation of the club from U16s onwards if we wanted to implement his style and vision. Luckily, we decided to bring in someone who could get the best out of what we had and build on it. Just really can't understand how that was such an alien concept to your decision makers!
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I mean the two situations aren’t comparable though and I don’t know why anyone thinks they are. Liverpool was coming off a season in which they comfortably got 80+ points and just needed a refresh and some tweaks with a new voice at the helm. The squad was still filled with quality and a few world class players in it though.

United had actual good PL quality at maybe a couple positions with the rest either aging, washed up, or young and raw and we’re coming off a historically bad season with yet another terrible start to this season.
 
MUEricTheKing said:
I got a lot of stick for saying this, but I genuinely believe the squad is good enough to be in the top 6, especially with the addition of a proven Premier League striker. It’s crazy to see how poorly this forum rates the players' abilities and potential. For me, it’s clear that the talent is there, but the performances just aren’t matching up.

I’m convinced that a top-tier manager would get far more out of this squad than Amorim is right now. Honestly, I don’t see any evidence that he should be trusted with funds to sign players tailored to his system or style.

At the moment, Amorim looks like the worst appointment since Sir Alex retired. He must get more out of this squad, even though it has obvious flaws, and we are crying out for a proper centre-forward.

What we really need is an overarching philosophy that isn’t dependent on the manager. The club should scout managers who fit into that vision rather than overhauling everything whenever a new manager comes in. Look at Barcelona during their peak – their style of play and philosophy ran through the club at every level.

When a new manager comes to United, it feels like everything has to change – tactics, recruitment, structure. That’s not sustainable in football. We need a clear identity, “The United Way,” that runs from the academy to the senior team. This vision needs to come from the top and be consistent throughout the entire club.
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Utter delusion thinking the squad is top 6 worthy
 
at this point, i'd bloody give rashford a chance at the #9 role and see if he can score bc clearly zirkzee and hojlund are shooting blanks
 
Guv77 said:
Imagine the meltdown in here
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well shit....if he's not getting shipped out by the end of the window, might as well give it a shot considering we are paying him a massive weekly wage and all

again...can't be less production than we are currently getting or not getting actually
 
jonny's said:
Exactly why we looked and moved on. Would have meant we would have had to tear up the whole foundation of the club from U16s onwards if we wanted to implement his style and vision. Luckily, we decided to bring in someone who could get the best out of what we had and build on it. Just really can't understand how that was such an alien concept to your decision makers!
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I think they rushed out and snapped up Amorim as quickly as they could to get in before City snapped him up rather than taking their time to ensure they got the right appointment to fit the current squad, their must have been other managers out there that that would have been a better fit for the squad and would have got us playing better football than Ruben has us playing and in a better position in the league.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Seemed to be working quite well under Ruud, tweaked a few things and they looked much better than under EtH, there seemed to be a lift.

I see no lift under Amorim so far, no response at all and not just talking about the results.

Going from one of the worst performing managers in the league, to a new charismatic promising manager with new ideas, you'd expect some response but it's more of the same.

We will play well vs top teams, and grind out some results vs minnows but I'm not sure what change we can expect. Maybe some signings?
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Against crap teams like Leicester twice and some nobodies in Europe.

The only decent team he played, Chelsea, we scraped a draw.
 
alexthelion said:
Against crap teams like Leicester twice and some nobodies in Europe.

The only decent team he played, Chelsea, we scraped a draw.
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It was a very good draw against an in-form Chelsea which could have gone either way, and it is the same kind of teams we look even worse against now.
 
deef said:
The only real opponent ruud faced was Chelsea, so it was nice and loved seeing him doing a job but its not like he had a real challenge. We have seen this before. Also see his current job, he is not a miracle worker either.

I try to stay positive. The what if debates are pointless in my oppinion.
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We were crap against Ipswich and Southampton and Wolves under Amorim, so what do you mean by real opponents?

I don't think Ruud is good enough to turn Leicester upside down, don't think he's that kind of manager anyway. He might have inherited a similar mess relatively as Amorim, who also can't work miracles here in Manchester.

It's all about the right type of appointment based on that scenario.
 
We Are Manchester United said:
Some really good points, especially about new managers overhauling everything and a playing philosophy throughout the club.

I do not agree, however, that the current squad (even with the addition of a proven striker) is good enough for a top 6 finish. The league table doesn't lie.
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alexthelion said:
I've read some rubbish on here but this takes the cake.
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So, you believe that Amorim gets the most out of the players' potential and that no other manager could guide this squad to a top-6 finish?

And you don’t think we need a clear identity and vision that stems from the top, shaping the entire club—from the academy to the senior team—rather than leaving it to the manager to define the playing style and identity?
 
The only reason Forest beat us was.... Andre Onana. Also happens to be the only reason Brighton beat us.

Stop trying to put everything on the manager, for God's sake.

At this point if we hired Ancelotti, you'd be screaming in his thread "he is past it", "he can only work with superstars" and so on. In the few days between games the only thing you can talk about is the manager, the only posts you can think of is different ways to blame the manager.
Surely this isn't healthy?
 
alexthelion said:
Really?

City, liverpool, Arsenal were much better performances.
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Not that different to City, Liverpool last season in the FA Cup, or even this season in the community shield.

We know that these guys can raise their levels, or show their true levels in top matches. Though EtH also often got completely battered by them.

But for him to reach 3 cup finals in 2 seasons, also beating some top teams kinda show that those matches didn't say much.

I think Amorim's setup will be very good vs the top opponents. We will not necessarily dominate but compete.
 
Toshey said:
The only reason Forest beat us was.... Andre Onana. Also happens to be the only reason Brighton beat us.

Stop trying to put everything on the manager, for God's sake.

At this point if we hired Ancelotti, you'd be screaming in his thread "he is past it", "he can only work with superstars" and so on. In the few days between games the only thing you can talk about is the manager, the only posts you can think of is different ways to blame the manager.
Surely this isn't healthy?
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Okay and if not for Onana, then they might have been draws?

Onana is a tricky one, he's cost us a lot but also saved us a lot. At the end of the season he will likely be top 5 keepers in terms of the amount of goals he's prevented minus the goals he's costed us.
 
romufc said:
That theory is actually false. What art? If a player is good enough, they are old enough. Do you think Mbappe was an art project? Do you think Palmer was an art project? Do you think Saka was ? No, most top players get into teams at a young age.

Wes Brown was a very good player, he was a squad player, similar to Collyer, who is in and out the team.

Football has changed and players are under more pressure from a younger age. Player loyalty is no longer there either, which means players want first team football as soon as they think they are ready.

Look at players like Sancho, Palmer, Porro, Lavia at City... all left for first team football because they didn't want to be an art project, even go back to KDB, Pogba, Salah.

Football landscape has changed.
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I think you might not understand the phrase "there is an art to". It is a common phrase in English meaning that something requires subtly. You seem to have misunderstood and think it's about being an artist.
 
witchtrials said:
I think you might not understand the phrase "there is an art to". It is a common phrase in English meaning that something requires subtly. You seem to have misunderstood and think it's about being an artist.
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Regardless of what it means, you have clearly ignored the content showing that you have no responses.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Okay and if not for Onana, then they might have been draws?

Onana is a tricky one, he's cost us a lot but also saved us a lot. At the end of the season he will likely be top 5 keepers in terms of the amount of goals he's prevented minus the goals he's costed us.
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Results aside, when your goalkeeper makes consistent mistakes, it gets players nervous. His mistakes have also come at crucial times, which does not help.

Onana is not tricky, he is a rubbish goalkeeper that excels in nothing. You can talk about saved us alot but that you can put any keeper in there, they will make saves. Most goalkeepers make brilliant saves but not many make so many mistakes as Onana does.

Generally, goalkeepers are weak at kicking or coming at crosses but Onana is weak at everything including shot stopping.
 
romufc said:
Results aside, when your goalkeeper makes consistent mistakes, it gets players nervous.
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How nervous do you think Onana gets when he he see's the opposition attacking and knows his terrible defence will probably allow the opposition to walk through them and get a free shot at his goal?
 
RedRocket9908 said:
How nervous do you think Onana gets when he he see's the opposition attacking and knows his terrible defence will probably allow the opposition to walk through them and get a free shot at his goal?
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Then he should re-consider being a goal keeper if he is getting nervous at opponents shooting at him.

I was under the impression that a goal keeper in football is to face shots.. unless I am mistaken?
 
RedRocket9908 said:
How nervous do you think Onana gets when he he see's the opposition attacking and knows his terrible defence will probably allow the opposition to walk through them and get a free shot at his goal?
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How erect do you think any opposition player with the ball in our box gets when he faces Onana and knows that almost anything hit low will go in the net?
 
devilish said:
Ted Lasso was more an Ole type of manager ie the hand around the shoulder and zero tactics acumen style of manager. Correct me if I am wrong but he never won a trophy in the EPL as manager either.
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Things must be really bad when we're discussing the merits of a fictional manager on a TV show!
 
Just been watching clips on X of a comparison of Liverpool and United squads doing rondos in training. It’s fecking frightening how different the two groups are. Liverpool looked sharp, energetic, committed etc. United looked like a pub team. It may have been different periods of training but it still points at how slack our players are. Poor Amorin must be pulling his hair out.
 
He can't lose tonight, although his job won't be on the line most likely, the pressure is just going to ramp up. Even a draw would be much better. Unfortunately I think there's every chance we'll be beat, especially since it's at OT where our form is diabolically bad. Rangers are going to be well up for it.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
Backtracking on the ‘worst team ever’ comments is a mistake, you’ve laid the challenge out to the squad so stick to it. Next we’ll be seeing Rashford in the team.
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That might be tonight!

Ruben’s must stick to his principles however he’s made genuine mistakes and shown far too much emotion with his over reactions.

That record of losing 4 in 5 old Trafford PL games is his record, not ETH, Not David Moyes, it’s his so he needs to start a huge recovery, sometimes a Coach can talk his players up to run through brick walls and sometimes a Coach can talk them down into being scared to even walk on the field. It’s ok in the dressing room but please Ruben reign it in for the media!

Create a ‘Jose style Siege mentality’ and the fans will be ok with a few 1-0’s, 1-1’s, 0-0 and 0-1’s wins and draws, just to get a run going for confidence.
 
Guv77 said:
Imagine the meltdown in here
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Most who arent his biggest fans think it'll be best for the club to move on. If he's staying there's no way freezing him is what is best. Of course he should work those wages.
 
romufc said:
Results aside, when your goalkeeper makes consistent mistakes, it gets players nervous. His mistakes have also come at crucial times, which does not help.

Onana is not tricky, he is a rubbish goalkeeper that excels in nothing. You can talk about saved us alot but that you can put any keeper in there, they will make saves. Most goalkeepers make brilliant saves but not many make so many mistakes as Onana does.

Generally, goalkeepers are weak at kicking or coming at crosses but Onana is weak at everything including shot stopping.
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Sorry, but this is just again incorrect. Point of nervousness, fair enough.
 
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