Desert Eagle
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What's the point of this?
If they aren't leaving during this window then we need to make use of them.
What's the point of this?
No. If they aren't good enough, they won't play.If they aren't leaving during this window then we need to make use of them.
No he’s not. He’s showing the players who’s boss and how unacceptable it is to be playing so poorly at home in front of all our fans. It’s only like in any other job, if you do bad then your manager most likely grills you. How’s he cracking up when it’s the first time he’s been annoyed since being here? He’s probably the most calmest manager in the league as you can tell in his press conferences.
Didn't Ted Lasso teach us anything?
And that is the truth. Amen. Moreover, because United has been in decline for more than a decade and the current manager doesn’t appear to be successful anytime soon, the best players won’t come. A successful rebuild hinges on improving midfield. The midfield has been unbalanced the past decade. That’s the reason why so many managers ultimately chose for counterattacking.As usual the solution is simple, clear out the garbage, how exactly are you supposed to do that? It's not like you can call the council and get them to take them away
If no one wants to buy them or pay the wages that we stupidly gave them what are the top brass supposed to do?
The reality is that most of the players the fans want out are going nowhere until either their contracts expire or the club accepts a low-ball offer which in some cases has PSR implications, players that we could get good fees for are the ones that a lot of fans don't want to leave, some of them may well have to so we can improve the whole
it was crystal clear he had been given a dressing down over what he said about being the worst team.
He was completely on the back foot during the press conference
Wow, micro-analyzing every sentence is a bit tedious.Well I said he was stupid for saying this was probably the worst team in the history of Man Utd (and got some criticism here) because of the effect this would have on the players and the first thing he has done in his pre-Rangers press conference is slightly backtracking saying it was "a mistake" to say it and is "more about me than the players" because of all the losses since he arrived. Sorry. He didn't say he was the worst manager in the history of Man Utd because of the results so far under his reign. He said the team was. If you say team, then it IS about the players and that is what pretty much everyone has run with.
Then he says "we are really anxious playing especially at home". He then says "the team" was nervous. But then he says that doesn't mean he was nervous saying he as the manager was "frustrated". Baffling. So 'team' doesn't include manager now.
However he would be right if he said as of now he is the worst manager in the history of the club. Not just for the results so far but for persisting with a strategy that is just not working and then insisting he won't change those tactics. This hasn't changed and has to, at least until he has the players to allow him to fit his five at the back system. But he is too stubborn/arrogant to do that. And so far there's little in this player transfer window and all the negative PR on cost cuts floating around to gauge that there is any good news on incomings either.
No wonder the players are bloody nervous.
agreed, some of the most shortsighted and miserable critique I've seen in some time. Fans who pine for instant gratification over longterm success will be miserable at the actions this manager and the club are taking.Wow, micro-analyzing every sentence is a bit tedious.
English is not his first language, so I would cut him some slack in that regard, as it will not always come across 100% as intended.
As for the tactics part, this error we made would have happened no matter what formation we played in, as they were individual errors or a lack of concentration.But keep criticizing every little detail, must be fun
Is it not possible he just realised that his "worst ever" comments were counterproductive?
Exactly the kind of thinking that has you in a compete mess for a decade plus and a quagmire for 3-4 years with no end in sight.No it doesn't, we obvioulsy have some players that are not good enough but we also have player playing in positions not best suited to them
2 decent WB's and a striker could transform this team to at least a semi-decent level
We have some potentially good youngsters to come thru that may replace some of departures that will naturally occur over the next couple of years
Evans, Eriksen and Lindelof will be gone in the summer, Maguire and Casemiro the following summer when their contracts are done
If we have use for them then they will play. Keeping them match fit is in our best interests.No. If they aren't good enough, they won't play.
Some really good points, especially about new managers overhauling everything and a playing philosophy throughout the club.I got a lot of stick for saying this, but I genuinely believe the squad is good enough to be in the top 6, especially with the addition of a proven Premier League striker. It’s crazy to see how poorly this forum rates the players' abilities and potential. For me, it’s clear that the talent is there, but the performances just aren’t matching up.
I’m convinced that a top-tier manager would get far more out of this squad than Amorim is right now. Honestly, I don’t see any evidence that he should be trusted with funds to sign players tailored to his system or style.
At the moment, Amorim looks like the worst appointment since Sir Alex retired. He must get more out of this squad, even though it has obvious flaws, and we are crying out for a proper centre-forward.
What we really need is an overarching philosophy that isn’t dependent on the manager. The club should scout managers who fit into that vision rather than overhauling everything whenever a new manager comes in. Look at Barcelona during their peak – their style of play and philosophy ran through the club at every level.
When a new manager comes to United, it feels like everything has to change – tactics, recruitment, structure. That’s not sustainable in football. We need a clear identity, “The United Way,” that runs from the academy to the senior team. This vision needs to come from the top and be consistent throughout the entire club.
Once again you're talking about zero pressure. But the alternative to extreme pressure is not zero pressure.
When, say, Wes Brown was introduced to the United side of course he had the pressure of being watched by millions on TV and tens of thousands in the ground.
But when he made mistakes on the pitch he had world class players around to try to cover them. He could also be taken out of the side and be brought back in for games that were less likely to be detrimental to his development.
Most people recognise there is an art to developing young players into first team regulars, and it doesn't just involve exposing youngsters to as much pressure as possible as soon as possible.
Where have you been the past 10 years? I cant believe some fans still have not woken up and realize or accept the situationI got a lot of stick for saying this, but I genuinely believe the squad is good enough to be in the top 6, especially with the addition of a proven Premier League striker. It’s crazy to see how poorly this forum rates the players' abilities and potential. For me, it’s clear that the talent is there, but the performances just aren’t matching up.
I’m convinced that a top-tier manager would get far more out of this squad than Amorim is right now. Honestly, I don’t see any evidence that he should be trusted with funds to sign players tailored to his system or style.
At the moment, Amorim looks like the worst appointment since Sir Alex retired. He must get more out of this squad, even though it has obvious flaws, and we are crying out for a proper centre-forward.
What we really need is an overarching philosophy that isn’t dependent on the manager. The club should scout managers who fit into that vision rather than overhauling everything whenever a new manager comes in. Look at Barcelona during their peak – their style of play and philosophy ran through the club at every level.
When a new manager comes to United, it feels like everything has to change – tactics, recruitment, structure. That’s not sustainable in football. We need a clear identity, “The United Way,” that runs from the academy to the senior team. This vision needs to come from the top and be consistent throughout the entire club.
There are two separate things. The ETH fan club, just so wierd after his abject failures, and awful signings he personally picked and still act as if he was unfairly treated. Someone yesterday called him one of Europe's top 'up and coming managers'. Aside from the fact he is 54, his Champions league run with Ajax was many years ago, and he utterly failed at United. As for Amorim, I was excited but now feel really nervous. Well run clubs have a clear style of play and recruit players and managers to fit it, Brighton a great example but plenty of others. Its really unusual to see a top manager fixated on one style and 3 at the back has rarely succeeded at a top level. In fact Chelsea the only team to win PL and Champions League playing this way. Unless perfectly executed its easily exploited, as shown by Brighton. It seems this was the approach Ashworth was following in what a set style, but Jim has gone for broke on Amorim, a bit like how the last lot went for broke with ETH.The fans want to lambast individual players but its the system exposing them, just as it was with ETH. INEOS are messing up big styleThe ETH fanclub really want Amorim to fail, don't they? All the doomposting and negativity, it's like some of you here would rather the team continue to wallow in mediocrity just to prove your FM tactics and pseudo psychology degrees right. The man's only had 2 months coming in the middle of the season where we're floundering in 13th, and I'm pretty sure Jim and co. know what we/they/he signed up for (as stupid as they may appear at times). We are trying to change the culture and footballing approach of this club, and whether it fails or not, considering Man Utd has been failing for more than a decade anyway, I'm personally happy to try a different approach. If it's 3-4-3 and a risky clearout of some of our VERY average players, then so be it.
He wont walk, he wouldn't get a pay out. Managers wait to get sacked so they can receive a massive pay out. We'll see if he's lost the dressing room tonight after his comments the other day.He looks shattered and it’s not even been 4 months. I’m worried he’ll walk.
Most wouldn’t walk, true. But some do. And he strikes me as a principled guy. He also strikes me as the kind of a guy who can’t believe the situation he’s walked into is a thousand times worse than he thought it was. And walking stuff back in his PC yesterday.He wont walk, he wouldn't get a pay out. Managers wait to get sacked so they can receive a massive pay out. We'll see if he's lost the dressing room tonight after his comments the other day.
You keep pointing to errors, they have been the cause of some losses.Wow, micro-analyzing every sentence is a bit tedious.
English is not his first language, so I would cut him some slack in that regard, as it will not always come across 100% as intended.
As for the tactics part, this error we made would have happened no matter what formation we played in, as they were individual errors or a lack of concentration.But keep criticizing every little detail, must be fun
ETH fanclub? I think literally 100% agreed that he failed here massively, and deserved to be sacked. Some at different stages of his tenure.The ETH fanclub really want Amorim to fail, don't they? All the doomposting and negativity, it's like some of you here would rather the team continue to wallow in mediocrity just to prove your FM tactics and pseudo psychology degrees right. The man's only had 2 months coming in the middle of the season where we're floundering in 13th, and I'm pretty sure Jim and co. know what we/they/he signed up for (as stupid as they may appear at times). We are trying to change the culture and footballing approach of this club, and whether it fails or not, considering Man Utd has been failing for more than a decade anyway, I'm personally happy to try a different approach. If it's 3-4-3 and a risky clearout of some of our VERY average players, then so be it.
The ETH fanclub really want Amorim to fail, don't they? All the doomposting and negativity, it's like some of you here would rather the team continue to wallow in mediocrity just to prove your FM tactics and pseudo psychology degrees right. The man's only had 2 months coming in the middle of the season where we're floundering in 13th, and I'm pretty sure Jim and co. know what we/they/he signed up for (as stupid as they may appear at times). We are trying to change the culture and footballing approach of this club, and whether it fails or not, considering Man Utd has been failing for more than a decade anyway, I'm personally happy to try a different approach. If it's 3-4-3 and a risky clearout of some of our VERY average players, then so be it.
Who was the last manager to ‘walk’ away from a big club?Most wouldn’t walk, true. But some do. And he strikes me as a principled guy. He also strikes me as the kind of a guy who can’t believe the situation he’s walked into is a thousand times worse than he thought it was. And walking stuff back in his PC yesterday.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but no it would surprise me if during the remainder of this season if the form continued he just walked cause he had enough.
KloppWho was the last manager to ‘walk’ away from a big club?
Seems to me a lot of people on this thread should cut themselves some slack. There's no way for anyone here to have much of a clue about what's due to the system change, what's due to the level of application, or the mentality of the players, or the quality of the players, or the tightness of the schedule. When a team's this bad and this inconsistent, everything looks bad. Maybe Amorim will improve it, maybe he won't. If he does, it'll be in ways that aren't yet visible. Not much point in agonising or trying to pick it apart at this point.
Everyone can see that we are not paying great and I am not arguing that, but people are to stuck on this formation debate.You keep pointing to errors, they have been the cause of some losses.
But do you think we have been playing great? Do we create chances in this system? Do we dominate, do we force our will upon teams?
Take out the errors and it's fine and promising?
Take the errors away and it's still crap, we might not have lost 7 out of 10 but maybe 5 out of 10 and 2 more draws.Everyone can see that we are not paying great and I am not arguing that, but people are to stuck on this formation debate.
If you can't train play patterns in one formation you can't in another one.
After years in the other formation we were not playing great either and haven't got a clear or working structure in the build up.
"Take the error away and its promosing?" Yes of course. With better result comes confidence and with confidence everything gets easier and more enjoyable to watch.
I honestly don't know why I read through this thread because this short sighted reactions to every little thing is depressing.
I think many people hugely underestimate the challenge of playing 3 CBs, there is a reason hardly any top teams do it. For those in the UK there was a great article in Times on this the other day. It needs to be really well drilled as you are always outnumbered in midfield, hence a CB needs to know when to step up. But the oppo draw CBs out and then bypass them. Great example in Brighton's first goal. Its really hard to do well and will leave us once again exposed in midfield.Take the errors away and it's still crap, we might not have lost 7 out of 10 but maybe 5 out of 10 and 2 more draws.
Currently it doesn't look like anything and there are few to no signs of improvement.
Think Ruben Amorim might be the right guy, but hired at the wrong time. The minor tweaks Ruud made to the system seemed more effective than implementing a whole new one which doesnt suit the players.
A potential 8 months of losing in a worse rate than under EtH, will really not help long term. These weak players will have lost confidence in him already.
A valid point and totally agree with you there, maybe it would have been better for this season to stick to a coach who plays a familiar formation but there is no guarentee that it would have worked.Take the errors away and it's still crap, we might not have lost 7 out of 10 but maybe 5 out of 10 and 2 more draws.
Currently it doesn't look like anything and there are few to no signs of improvement.
Think Ruben Amorim might be the right guy, but hired at the wrong time. The minor tweaks Ruud made to the system seemed more effective than implementing a whole new one which doesnt suit the players.
A potential 8 months of losing in a worse rate than under EtH, will really not help long term. These weak players will have lost confidence in him already.
I think many people hugely underestimate the challenge of playing 3 CBs, there is a reason hardly any top teams do it. For those in the UK there was a great article in Times on this the other day. It needs to be really well drilled as you are always outnumbered in midfield, hence a CB needs to know when to step up. But the oppo draw CBs out and then bypass them. Great example in Brighton's first goal. Its really hard to do well and will leave us once again exposed in midfield.
I like the use of 3 CBs, however it's very important that one of them becomes essentially a defensive midfielder to counteract what you mention.I think many people hugely underestimate the challenge of playing 3 CBs, there is a reason hardly any top teams do it. For those in the UK there was a great article in Times on this the other day. It needs to be really well drilled as you are always outnumbered in midfield, hence a CB needs to know when to step up. But the oppo draw CBs out and then bypass them. Great example in Brighton's first goal. Its really hard to do well and will leave us once again exposed in midfield.