Honestly, you couldn't build a worse team than ETH did, even if you sent a scouser in to deliberately sabotage us. On top of that trying to drill out whatever he was doing with them in training seems like an impossible task.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Honestly, you couldn't build a worse team than ETH did, even if you sent a scouser in to deliberately sabotage us. On top of that trying to drill out whatever he was doing with them in training seems like an impossible task.
Ah I missed that memo…my bad
We are.
We finished 8th last season, massively overperforming our xPTS. Understat had us on 15th on xPTS, overperforming by 15.58, by far the most in the PL.
We have a shit squad, simple as that.
The worst part is, there are games we have won this season where we were very fortunate to have won.
You can’t say there’s many we lost that we didn’t deserve to.
We're missing the vital parts of his system. Wing backs. The few times Malacia got forward and overlapped the forwards we magically had space because he took defenders with him. If they don't go then you have an overlapping runner to pass to.
Dalot wasn't making many runs on the wing and the few times he did the team never expected him to be there. You cannot expect a system that needs energetic wing backs running the lines constantly to work without those players.
Dalot wasn't making many runs on the wing and the few times he did the team never expected him to be there. You cannot expect a system that needs energetic wing backs running the lines constantly to work without those players.
A new manager, fresh ideas, and new slate, and so many of this squad are still just as shite as under the previous bloke. It's not a surprise. We need a fire sale badly.
Malacia did well and I thought the biggest thing was just being left footed. Could just open his body and feed passes down the line to get the 10's in.
Simple things make a huge difference. The beauty of football.
Strange post after today.
We dominated and played on front foot.
With actual striker we would have won by a landslide.
Even with proper wingbacks, we will be severely exposed for the lack of striker/regular goalscorer.
Literally … I know some United fans say no
Ill feeling towards him but I do harbour resentment to him. He set us back years.
The biggest trouble he has is I don’t think the players have the football intelligence to adapt to his system. Its a tricky situation. He either needs serious backing or he might have to adapt with these players. We seem just as wide open with a back three. I thought it might make us a little more solid having watched us get pumped with 30 shots a game under Ten Hag. I hope its the first answer. Because I like the guy and respect he is sticking to his principles
This bunch of jokes play Amorim's system worse than they do that of ETH.
To me that's a major concern. We look worse under the guy we are excited about.
To me that's a major concern. We look worse under the guy we are excited about.
Why would that be a major concern? Wouldn’t it confirm to you that they are indeed a bunch of jokes? Or do you think Amorim who we hired based on his success in another country with this exact system, should completely abandon said system purely to accommodate this bunch of jokes? Maybe instead we should give him time to buy players to fit into that system and work out who doesn’t fit, and get rid of the majority of this bunch.
But in the process it would be nice to look a bit like a side and maybe push to win the Europa. I'm not against Amorim but I am for playing a system that suits the players we have until he has a side of players he's confident can carry out his tactics.
He's not going to do that though so we have to live with it and support him the best we can. It's a dreadful watch though.
Nervous or frustrated?
If I were Amorim I'd investigate the water at Carrington and the food/chefs. Players look like they've been fed lead for years.
I don't see any of our main problems as being down to the system anyway. I know we're not suited to it in every possession but our main issues are really poor finishing, too many players that are sloppy in possession or are lightweight and get knocked off the ball easily and then individual errors leading to conceding goals. None of those are tactical issues.
Anyway at least he got a much needed win tonight. I'm not particularly confident going to Fulham but it would be nice if we could back up the win tonight.
Anyway at least he got a much needed win tonight. I'm not particularly confident going to Fulham but it would be nice if we could back up the win tonight.
I get this but if it was ETH playing the same system and tactics the whole forum would be calling for his head.
I don't understand why we have to support someone and their bad idea just because they are new. At this point his system isn't going to suddenly suit the players. It doesn't work and gets sussed out tactically by even poor opponents, and without changing anything it will continue not to work and get sussed out by poor opponents.
He needs to start at least trying to adapt to the situation he's in or it will get uglier.
There's no point pretending it's working. The results and arguably the performances are worse than they were under the manager we sacked due to both being unacceptably poor. It's the same set of players and there's zero evidence of any likely improvement.
True. However, we did have so many injuries and our xPTS looked bit better under ten Hag this season compared to the last one.
But definitely agree our performances since 23/24 have been midtable or even worse. Negative goal difference the whole time, and it wasn't great in 22/23 either.
I’m starting to get used to our uselessness in the final third and just grateful for a win today . I can’t see the style of play improving until next season. It’s going to be one step forward 2 steps back until May I think
Amorim did the most important thing today: He won.
Not to sound like Michael Owen but the only way this whole experiment stands a chance of succeeding is by him getting some wins to increase the players' belief in his methods.
I didn't enjoy tonight. We passed badly, slowly, lacked bravery and progression centrally. How much of that is on Amorim?
Certainly we can't expect much different unless he finds a way to get them believing in themselves and him. Let's hope he does.
Not to sound like Michael Owen but the only way this whole experiment stands a chance of succeeding is by him getting some wins to increase the players' belief in his methods.
I didn't enjoy tonight. We passed badly, slowly, lacked bravery and progression centrally. How much of that is on Amorim?
Certainly we can't expect much different unless he finds a way to get them believing in themselves and him. Let's hope he does.
If we want to do anything this season then we simply have to sign another striker. We just don't have the goals in this side.
But this season is a write off anyway, so he might as well use it to drill the system into the players even if half of them can't properly adapt to it. Then he hits the summer knowing exactly who to get rid of, where we need replacements, and the half the team that have managed to adapt go into preseason already knowing how to play his way.
To me him reverting to a system he never uses and doesn't believe in just so we can limp home in 8th place (if we're lucky) and then have to start the whole thing from scratch in preseason seems like madness to me.
If Luke Shaw was fit and we had a genuine striker up front things wouldn't look half as bad as they currently do.
But what is the so called system that suits these players. It's not as if they were consistently finishing in top 3 and dominating football.
Say Amorim changes the system, what's the guarantee our non scoring strikers will start scoring goals. Or our wingers will become consistent. Truth is we have built a very poor squad and I rather if we are backing this manager then let him play his system and find out what he needs to succeed next season.
We paid off Ten hag and bought out Amorim's release to have a head start on next season. What was then the point of paying all that money? What we're seeing was already expected. People are just too attached to the failing big names.
It was well known many of our players would falter when it came time to play actual football under any manager.
It was well known many of our players would falter when it came time to play actual football under any manager.