Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The worst part is, there are games we have won this season where we were very fortunate to have won.
You can’t say there’s many we lost that we didn’t deserve to.
We're missing the vital parts of his system. Wing backs. The few times Malacia got forward and overlapped the forwards we magically had space because he took defenders with him. If they don't go then you have an overlapping runner to pass to.
Dalot wasn't making many runs on the wing and the few times he did the team never expected him to be there. You cannot expect a system that needs energetic wing backs running the lines constantly to work without those players.
Dalot wasn't making many runs on the wing and the few times he did the team never expected him to be there. You cannot expect a system that needs energetic wing backs running the lines constantly to work without those players.
A new manager, fresh ideas, and new slate, and so many of this squad are still just as shite as under the previous bloke. It's not a surprise. We need a fire sale badly.
Malacia did well and I thought the biggest thing was just being left footed. Could just open his body and feed passes down the line to get the 10's in.
Simple things make a huge difference. The beauty of football.
Strange post after today.
We dominated and played on front foot.
With actual striker we would have won by a landslide.
Even with proper wingbacks, we will be severely exposed for the lack of striker/regular goalscorer.
Literally … I know some United fans say no
Ill feeling towards him but I do harbour resentment to him. He set us back years.
The biggest trouble he has is I don’t think the players have the football intelligence to adapt to his system. Its a tricky situation. He either needs serious backing or he might have to adapt with these players. We seem just as wide open with a back three. I thought it might make us a little more solid having watched us get pumped with 30 shots a game under Ten Hag. I hope its the first answer. Because I like the guy and respect he is sticking to his principles
This bunch of jokes play Amorim's system worse than they do that of ETH.
To me that's a major concern. We look worse under the guy we are excited about.
To me that's a major concern. We look worse under the guy we are excited about.
Why would that be a major concern? Wouldn’t it confirm to you that they are indeed a bunch of jokes? Or do you think Amorim who we hired based on his success in another country with this exact system, should completely abandon said system purely to accommodate this bunch of jokes? Maybe instead we should give him time to buy players to fit into that system and work out who doesn’t fit, and get rid of the majority of this bunch.
But in the process it would be nice to look a bit like a side and maybe push to win the Europa. I'm not against Amorim but I am for playing a system that suits the players we have until he has a side of players he's confident can carry out his tactics.
He's not going to do that though so we have to live with it and support him the best we can. It's a dreadful watch though.
Nervous or frustrated?
If I were Amorim I'd investigate the water at Carrington and the food/chefs. Players look like they've been fed lead for years.
I don't see any of our main problems as being down to the system anyway. I know we're not suited to it in every position but our main issues are really poor finishing, too many players that are sloppy in possession or are lightweight and get knocked off the ball easily and then individual errors leading to conceding goals. None of those are tactical issues.
Anyway at least he got a much needed win tonight. I'm not particularly confident going to Fulham but it would be nice if we could back up the win tonight.
Anyway at least he got a much needed win tonight. I'm not particularly confident going to Fulham but it would be nice if we could back up the win tonight.
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I get this but if it was ETH playing the same system and tactics the whole forum would be calling for his head.
I don't understand why we have to support someone and their bad idea just because they are new. At this point his system isn't going to suddenly suit the players. It doesn't work and gets sussed out tactically by even poor opponents, and without changing anything it will continue not to work and get sussed out by poor opponents.
He needs to start at least trying to adapt to the situation he's in or it will get uglier.
There's no point pretending it's working. The results and arguably the performances are worse than they were under the manager we sacked due to both being unacceptably poor. It's the same set of players and there's zero evidence of any likely improvement.
True. However, we did have so many injuries and our xPTS looked bit better under ten Hag this season compared to the last one.
But definitely agree our performances since 23/24 have been midtable or even worse. Negative goal difference the whole time, and it wasn't great in 22/23 either.
I’m starting to get used to our uselessness in the final third and just grateful for a win today . I can’t see the style of play improving until next season. It’s going to be one step forward 2 steps back until May I think
Amorim did the most important thing today: He won.
Not to sound like Michael Owen but the only way this whole experiment stands a chance of succeeding is by him getting some wins to increase the players' belief in his methods.
I didn't enjoy tonight. We passed badly, slowly, lacked bravery and progression centrally. How much of that is on Amorim?
Certainly we can't expect much different unless he finds a way to get them believing in themselves and him. Let's hope he does.
Not to sound like Michael Owen but the only way this whole experiment stands a chance of succeeding is by him getting some wins to increase the players' belief in his methods.
I didn't enjoy tonight. We passed badly, slowly, lacked bravery and progression centrally. How much of that is on Amorim?
Certainly we can't expect much different unless he finds a way to get them believing in themselves and him. Let's hope he does.
If we want to do anything this season then we simply have to sign another striker. We just don't have the goals in this side.
But this season is a write off anyway, so he might as well use it to drill the system into the players even if half of them can't properly adapt to it. Then he hits the summer knowing exactly who to get rid of, where we need replacements, and the half the team that have managed to adapt go into preseason already knowing how to play his way.
To me him reverting to a system he never uses and doesn't believe in just so we can limp home in 8th place (if we're lucky) and then have to start the whole thing from scratch in preseason seems like madness to me.
If Luke Shaw was fit and we had a genuine striker up front things wouldn't look half as bad as they currently do.
But what is the so called system that suits these players. It's not as if they were consistently finishing in top 3 and dominating football.
Say Amorim changes the system, what's the guarantee our non scoring strikers will start scoring goals. Or our wingers will become consistent. Truth is we have built a very poor squad and I rather if we are backing this manager then let him play his system and find out what he needs to succeed next season.
We paid off Ten hag and bought out Amorim's release to have a head start on next season. What was then the point of paying all that money? What we're seeing was already expected. People are just too attached to the failing big names.
It was well known many of our players would falter when it came time to play actual football under any manager.
It was well known many of our players would falter when it came time to play actual football under any manager.
As long as we are out of real relegation scrap, Ruben's job seems to be safe. Ineos have put all their money on Amorim and I hope it was the right decision. If his system does not work out in the prem we are very likely to end up with a squad that will require yet another rebuild.
You can't judge Amorim based on this season's performance but he needs to talk less & more sensibly in his press conferences. It's becoming very stale & Rangnickesque.
The biggest concern has to be that whether it's Zirkzee or Hojlund, neither is even getting chances. While I don't disagree that they aren't getting great service, at least part of it is down to them. How much of lack of chances is down to them vs the rest of the attack I don't know, but we need a new striker too even though I like both of them.
Amorim is the one.
Why?
He is only the third United manager to win their first three European games. The other two? Busby and Ferguson.
Why?
He is only the third United manager to win their first three European games. The other two? Busby and Ferguson.
People saying last night we looked worse than we did under ETH really need to watch any ETH game from last season and this one until he got sacked.
We looked miles better and assured.
Finishing is a big problem, we should have been out of sight before 2nd half.
Full support for Ruben!
We looked miles better and assured.
Finishing is a big problem, we should have been out of sight before 2nd half.
Full support for Ruben!
Agree, people have short memories, we hadn't won in Europe in a while, and struggled to attack, yesterday was just poor finishing.
We started the season creating loads of chances (more than we do now) which ended up being missed, so that's not quite accurate. The should have been out of sight sentence could have been said for a number of games under Ten Hag this season.
For Amorim he has to hope that by getting Dorgu in that the team consistently create more opportunities. They created good chances this game but so far under his tenure the attack has looked limp, not just in finishing but in chance creation. Looking at his run of games as United manager, this amount of possession and consistent attacks is more of an exception than the rule. Hopefully we can see more games like this, minus the poor defensive display, however, its more likely to be that Rangers is just a poorer team than what we face in the prem. Lets see.
Not good again, and this time against a very low quality opposition. The performances are not improving and right now there are no signs either that it's going to get better. Once again people have convinced themselves that we need to spend gdp of a small country before we can see any improvements. I hope the club is smarter with the recruitment and don't acquiesce to all the demands of the manager. The players we recruit should be for the long term future of the club, not manager specific. Fingers crossed we won't fall into the same trap that we have with every post Fergie manager under Berrada. Last summer's transfer window should be our last terrible transfer window.
I still believe that he'll get it right but we need to start doing better. This is not good enough. There is still lot to play for this season.
I still believe that he'll get it right but we need to start doing better. This is not good enough. There is still lot to play for this season.
We have many problems but for me, our biggest concern is not having the right players to suit the manager's profile.
For example, consider our midfield. I think Mainoo and Ugarte are outstanding but Mainoo is still young and learning his trade (same with Collyer though he keeps improving with every game), and Ugarte is still adjusting to the new league and the manager.
Our other options are Eriksen and Casemiro. Both were great players in their prime but now at 32, both have lost their legs and can barely play in the 3-4-3 system.
That means we have players who are either too young/inexperienced or too old to tango (Same with fullbacks who aren't wingbacks). We probably need established midfielders right away between the ages of 25 and 28 if we are to hit the group running, and that might not happen in January.
So, till the players have the manager's tactics/ideas instilled, things might get even worse before they get better at United. I am fine with it if that's going to solve our problems in the long term.
For example, consider our midfield. I think Mainoo and Ugarte are outstanding but Mainoo is still young and learning his trade (same with Collyer though he keeps improving with every game), and Ugarte is still adjusting to the new league and the manager.
Our other options are Eriksen and Casemiro. Both were great players in their prime but now at 32, both have lost their legs and can barely play in the 3-4-3 system.
That means we have players who are either too young/inexperienced or too old to tango (Same with fullbacks who aren't wingbacks). We probably need established midfielders right away between the ages of 25 and 28 if we are to hit the group running, and that might not happen in January.
So, till the players have the manager's tactics/ideas instilled, things might get even worse before they get better at United. I am fine with it if that's going to solve our problems in the long term.
We have insane ammount of blocked crosses and shots each game.
Is it general player shitness or our striker's inability to move and position themselves properly I can't say.
It was up to Licha to actually send a decent cross in.
Both Amad and Garna look dangerous, but they suffer from poor decision making.
Again - all this might be because we lack proper ST.
Zirkzee is weird and uncomfortable upfront, Hojlund usually runs into the winger's path or stays glued to the defender.
Don't know what's going on with Rashford, but we need striker asap.
That would have been funny, if it wasn't so braindead/infuriating.
He is very sensible and speaks better than any manager since Fergie. About time he addresses the issues and confronts the players not just in the dressing room. Their behavior over the past 10 years was a disgrace, our standards are a joke and the performance appalling as well as their attitude. Time to clean that mess up, once and for all hence I support RA all the way. If not now, then never, and the fans need to stop being soft idiots and recognize the dramatic situation we're in
Exactly. I don't think there is much to play for in the league this season so 15th or 8th makes little odds. I would rather some positivity comes out of it in the form of players who know the system. The danger is that he loses the players in the meantime.
He did and I wasn't keen when he came on because hes largely not up to snuff but then we were playing Rangers so it wasn't exactly against class opposition. Just that one small upgrade made a big difference though. You can see in the CL games what a difference a top class wide player makes. One that can go past their man. Put in a cross. Stretch the defence. Put them on the back foot. Its vital.
We will but one problem at a time. I also think that with proper WBs we won't be struggling to score so much because everything will start to work. Football is a team game and as we have seen with City lately, if the unit isn't strong or you have gaping holes in your game teams will exploit it and it makes everything hard. Currently without the WBs, defending against us is easy and predictable. Teams can overload other areas of the pitch because they know there is so little threat in others. Controlling games is harder. Keeping the ball is harder. Everything is harder.
Last night they doubled or tripled up on Amad for a lot of the game because they had men spare. When they do that you should be punishing them elsewhere on the pitch.
Awful performance against a really poor Gers side, lucky they missed both their early chances, or it could've been another home disaster, different formation, different manager, same problems
This is fantasy though. We aren't going to be replacing half the players in the summer because we are stuffed financially. It will be for the most part the same group of players, and you can't drill a system into them if they simply aren't suited to playing the way the manager wants in it.
I don't know where this idea comes from that if you keep forcing players to do something they're bad at for long enough, they will suddenly become good at it. How is that anything other than a ridiculously terrible idea?
Any sentence starting with "if Luke Shaw was fit" is a pointless one. If we had better players we'd be better - this is not a justification for managing the players you have badly.
I'm starting to think he could be potentially the right manager but at the worst possible time. He clearly needs a rebuild to get his tactics to work, but we somehow can't afford that. We need a manager able to adapt to whatever shit he has to work with to mould it into something half decent. I have a feeling we're going to sell the players we can at Ruben's request, but they'll be the only players with any promise because they're the only ones anyone will want to buy, but then not be able to replace them with anything better because we still haven't proven ourselves capable of making sensible signings.
OK, so it sounds like you are saying that you want him to give up on his way of playing completely, not just for this season? As you say, he's not going to be be able to bring in loads of new players in the summer, and you believe that this current crop of players cannot be trained to play it. May as well sack him then?!
We already know that when he was offered the United job he asked if he could come at the end of the season. We said it's now or never, and it seems clear to me that he said 'OK, but I want to completely change the system and style of play, and that is going to be rocky'. He literally said as much in his first interview with Gary Nev, and was clearly given boardroom support to make Rashford persona non grata. What we are seeing on the pitch is exactly what he said and what we should have expected. Adapting to the players in the club is what most of our previous managers have tried to do, and where has that got the club?
I don't personally believe he will need to replace 'half the players', that was just a turn of phrase, I think with a few key changes this team will start to look a huge amount better. And that was my point about Luke Shaw - it wasn't an 'if we had better players we would be better' comment - I was pointing out that although it feels like we're miles away from the system working properly actually with either a rejuvenated Shaw (unlikely. but not impossible) or a new attacking fullback who will undoubtedly come this window or next, and a real striker it could all start to click into gear.
It baffles me that you and others seem to want him to use the same players in the same way that we have in the last few mediocre seasons?
I do feel for him.
I think he’ll be sacked by the summer and they’ll look to bring someone like Ancelotti in.
We probably need to spend £300-£400 million to make this 343 formation work
I can’t see this management structure having the time, patience or chequebook to make Amorims tenure a success.
I think he’ll be sacked by the summer and they’ll look to bring someone like Ancelotti in.
We probably need to spend £300-£400 million to make this 343 formation work
I can’t see this management structure having the time, patience or chequebook to make Amorims tenure a success.