Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

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That team, playing deep, compact, counter attacking football like Ten Hags first season absolutely destroys this god awful crap we are watching.

And no one can convince me otherwise
 
killerboi2 said:
Racing cars last time I heard.

As for Amorim - looked like a 39 year old completely out of his depth ever since he got here. A lot of fans being positive for the sake of it at first but more and more are starting to see the situation for what it is now.
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I honestly don't get this.

The coach who built this team had us 13th in the league.

We bring in a coach knowing his style doesn't suit the players, its obvious it is going to be bumpy. Why does that make him appear out of his depth?

Should he change for the players? If so, what's the point in changing manager?

The massive F-up is on the club. Why the hell make this decision if you aren't willing to back him in January.
 
VP89 said:
I'm not advocating near moving on from him, but he needs to know that you cant play 5 at the back at OT and have zero urgency. And yet we keep doing it.

I saw a couple times where a forward pass was on and he pointed toward the defenders to start again - I just dont get it. It's part on players if they're scared to play forward but he's definitely telling them something too.
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ETH’s damage is so big and Ruben needs time to find the way to fix them. At least we now see the team has the right mindset, not perfect but a huge improvement than under ETH.
 
I am more sickened by the predictable dumb overreaction and impatience of some people here than by the actual performance and result. Time to stay away from the internet.
 
If we don’t sign any players this window then RA is going to struggle to get any match winning consistency from this shower of shite. He’s not going to change his style of play so he’s going to have his work cut out.

He’ll be sacked if this streak continues unless senior figures genuinely believe he needs time and financial backing.

EDIT: I like RA a lot but he’s signed up to a situation that carries so much baggage from the Woodward/ETH era. I want him to succeed because he looks and sounds like the right guy, but I also fear the job may be too much for him and/or the hierarchy will get rid of him before he has a chance to work with players he brings in.
 
The guy is getting outclassed by the majority of teams tactically. The only time the team has looked decent is when playing as the underdog where the defensive 5 at the back suits the game plan. The team is impotent up top with no real ideas on how to attack and its not even a trade off for more security at the back as the defense is all over the place.

The second goal is a great example, we have 4 players pressing the crosser. There is no need to have 4 players there. We continually have 2 to 3 defenders doing absoluetly nothing at the back but marking air. The fullbacks staying back is not on the players, it is a tactical decision that when the wingers stay high and wide for our fullbacks to stay back. Its also a tactical decision to not push a CB into midfield if they are free. It comes from the back 5 and where the players are told to position themselves.

We have not had a lot of time on the training field, however, we have had a lot of matches which effectively acted as training matches/write off games. Giving players opportunities to get used to the formation etc. They have had a couple months to get used to it. The formation, is not even some wild new way of playing.

He needs to start showing something.
 
I lose a bit of belief in Amorim every time he selects Onana and Antony. I know that he’s inherited the worst United squad in the premier league era, but no one is forcing him to select players who are so clearly not at our level. And by “our level” I’m referring to a bottom of the table premiership side, battling to keep ahead of relegation pace.
 
davidmichael said:
This is the problem when we chop and change managers and they all play a different style and formation, the whole point of the footballing structure was to decide on a United formation and way of playing then the head coach just coach but we’ve gone from 4-2-3-1 under Ole to 4-1-4-1 under ETH to 3-4-3 with Amorim with zero input from our ‘best in class’ ‘footballing structure’
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It’s also the philosophy of how we want to play. Amorim said we’ve been a team that plays on the counter for years and are happier being the underdogs. That mentality was set by the likes of Jose, Ole and EtH, who we all fecking wanted to change the style but just ended up saying “we want to be the best transition team in the world”

We’re paying for the recent history of bad transfers and the club direction over the years.
 
The worrying thing is he can't seem to get a consistent intensity and enthusiasm from the players.
 
Is it safe to start questioning the manager without getting shamed on here or do we need to have a bit more patience?
 
Ok, logging off for a few days now, I need a break from negativity and man utd.
 
Questions should be asked. I am afraid Amorim has only his 3 at the back tactics but it is clear it does not work. Good manager has tactics hat works and then buys players he think suits his system. Great manager can adapt and get the best out of players he has atm. Then he can tweak the team and the formation. Amorim is trying his tactisc live in the middle of the season like it is a pre-season. Thanks god we are safe from the relegation (for now). It will end a ba message and it would take years to lure at least half decent players. Why would any top talent come here to hang in them middle of the table or bottom half and ruin his career?
 
I think the club and particularly the squad is in such a shambles that I don't think any manager will ever have enough time or money to fix it.

Best to just accept this is our level.
 
Chip said:
Is it safe to start questioning the manager without getting shamed on here or do we need to have a bit more patience?
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I’d be shocked if there was even single Utd fan who hasn’t at least had a bit of doubt in the back of their head
 
maximus419 said:
I get sick and tired of people making excuses for managers. He's come to Utd because he's been tasked with the job of coaching these players to get results, simple as that. Whilst this might not be a great Manchester Untied team, there are still many internationals on the pitch who look a lot better for their country than they do at Utd. How is that, how are these players still good enough for their coubtry but at the same time everyone is saying the players are all terrible?

A managers job is to get the best out of the players, to set them up with the best chance of getting a result. Right now it looks from an outsider than Amorim is a rookie coach, still trying to grasp what the PL is about, whilst simultaneously trying to implement a formation that the players are obviously not trusting.

We've been here too many times before where the manager is too stubborn and thinks todays the day things turn around, but they never ever do. If we're waiting until he gets his perfect squad, we'll wait an enternity because it isn't happening. So we must get someone in who knows the PL, is proven at a big club and go again.
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Totally agree , Amorim is rapidly turning into our Villa Boas, time to give him an ultimatum; get 8/9 points minimum from next 5 PL games or he can go and we go get Iraola from bournemouth before Spurs do, we need a PL proven coach.

He must be told to not mention United with the words relegation and Battle in any press. Conference or that will be categorised as Gross Misconduct and then he can leave.

He’s not playing a 3421 attacking system like at Sporting, he’s playing a 5221 with a low block system because these players are not suited to play 3421. We have hardly any of our defenders who suit a 3 man defence, Maguire maybe being the exception, the others don’t have the pace to play in that system, Maybe Mazraoui could if he just stays at RCB!

The back 3 become a slow deep back 5 that are very predictable, the two man midfield is then exposed because the wing backs are not directly to the side or 5/10 yards higher but instead 20 yards deeper and then the tens are maybe 10 yards in front with an isolated 9 twenty yards higher, everything breaks down and it’s just 11 players wandering round the pitch being completely over ran! He won’t last 2 months, if he doesn’t get players or he changes, he’ll be gone by April 1st 2025.
 
Chip said:
Is it safe to start questioning the manager without getting shamed on here or do we need to have a bit more patience?
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Realistically none of us should be convinced that he’s “the one” until he shows us. It’s early days but it’s clear that not every decision he’s made has panned out. The back 5 with two fullbacks is shocking and we knew that last year. It’s up to him to get players like Garnacho involved in the wide areas, we can’t keep breaking away nicely only to have Dalot as our option on the wing.
 
Ace said:
I lose a bit of belief in Amorim every time he selects Onana and Antony. I know that he’s inherited the worst United squad in the premier league era, but no one is forcing him to select players who are so clearly not at our level. And by “our level” I’m referring to a bottom of the table premiership side, battling to keep ahead of relegation pace.
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But who else is he meant to pick? Until last week Bayindir was called the worst goalkeeper ever seen in a United team and we had no other option on the bench other than Antony who could possibly offer us something going forward.
 
At some point you have to do more than just be charming and look pretty. This is simply not good enough. The results are awful and so are the performances.

Premier league results so far: P11 W3 L6 D2 GF15 GA20 GD(-)5....We haven't scored in 4 of the 11 fixtures. 15 goals in 11 games is pathetic. Playing five at the back and conceding twenty is equally disappointing. You don't need gbp 600m to get better results than that. That was the 4th defeat out six games played at Old Trafford.

The training excuse doesn't fly. Needs to do better.
 
Football has evolved and I’m sorry but this Guy is too rigid with his defensive 5-3-2 formation and other teams are not stupid so they have all week to plan for how we are going to play and we can not adapt to it.
The best managers are adaptable to different situations.
You have to have a plan A,B and C and this guy like Ange at spurs are not adapting and this will get him sacked.
It doesn’t matter how many players you buy but you’ve got to be able to manage situations during a game(in game management)
He can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again and hoping it works.
 
Tactics need to change at home. We're constantly being caught out on the break on the wings. Play like we do away, who cares. It's better than this.
 
Jezpeza said:
Very difficult question to answer that one.

In my opinion, we are going to have to try and get our recruitment to a level like Dortmund or Brighton etc.

Identify and sign players who are going to get big. But then when they do we wont be under pressure to sell them like a feeder club. We’ll have to suffer a bit in terms of expectation while they develop.

I mean, off the top of my head, we sniffed around Haaland, Caicedo and Bellingham when they were at Molde, Independiente and Birmingham. We didnt get them but it is the right approach. You see this lad Nypan about to go to Arsenal, we should be after him.

We’ve tried a decade of signing a handful of 40-80m players at a rate that it takes a manager 2or3 years to build a first 11. And then you get flops and it has financially ruined the club.

If we carry on that road we aren't ever getting out of what we have become. Amorim will be replaced by someone else who will be replaced by someone else whilst we stand still/go backwards
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You make a good point. I mean look at our current squad. Our best player is someone we signed as a youngster who was identified as up and coming and who we loaned out to play in the Championship initially. Need to identify and recruit up and coming talent on the cusp of being good/great.
 
Woodzy said:
He has explained this a million times. We either start playing it now with the players we have, so that we can figure out which ones can play the system and which one's can't. Or we wait till the summer, wasting an entire half a season where we could have been training for a specific tactic and finding out more about these players.
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If anyone's expecting INEOS to drop £100m+ this summer they are in for a shock. We will still be in a sell to buy problem supplemented by maybe £30m-£50m?

INEOS won't be wanting to squander any money for at least 3 years.
 
Its so weird how good premier league has become. Every team has a fantastic scouting and hire some not so well known managers and look like they can all roll over us. Amorim deserves time, but makes you wonder how many player he will have to replace. Because today every single player looked very slow again, with both zero creativity and quality on the ball.
 
Another unacceptable result and performance. Expecting the same next Sunday.
 
Irwin99 said:
It’s also the philosophy of how we want to play. Amorim said we’ve been a team that plays on the counter for years and are happier being the underdogs. That mentality was set by the likes of Jose, Ole and EtH, who we all fecking wanted to change the style but just ended up saying “we want to be the best transition team in the world”

We’re paying for the recent history of bad transfers and the club direction over the years.
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That's fine but if he cannot revamp the squad then I struggle to see how things can be much better. If I want to make Chicken Chow Mein but I have the wrong type of noodles wouldn't I be better off making Spag Bol, unless I have the opportunity to go to the supermarket?
 
city-puma said:
ETH’s damage is so big and Ruben needs time to find the way to fix them. At least we now see the team has the right mindset, not perfect but a huge improvement than under ETH.
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Stop brushing this on ETH. He has players capable of not being slapped up by Brighton, Bournemouth, Forrest, Wolves, Newcastle all at home and to not need individual brilliance from Amad to scrape through Southampton.

He needs to be better than this even when we apply the context that he's only been here 3 months. He said this himself when he joined, he will need time but you win time by winning games.
 
sammyhol said:
——————-onana——————-
Maz-Maguire-Martinez-dalot
———-Cas——Ugarte———
——-Amad-Bruno-Rash——
—————Zirkzee—————

That team, playing deep, compact, counter attacking football like Ten Hags first season absolutely destroys this god awful crap we are watching.

And no one can convince me otherwise
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It doesn't matter if you store your marmite in the cupboard above the sink, in the cupboard near the toaster, or in the cupboard on the other side of the kitchen. It is still going to taste like shit and it will ruin the flavour of everything it touches.
 
Chip said:
Is it safe to start questioning the manager without getting shamed on here or do we need to have a bit more patience?
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Don't worry about what the folks on here say most of them don't have a clue
 
pocco said:
I want to come to with something that I think he could do to make us better, but I know it’s not happening no matter what. We could change formation, try other players, but ultimately the result will be the same.
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The problem is that this is literally his second job. The guys in his 30s - this is all he knows.
 
VP89 said:
Stop brushing this on ETH. He has players capable of not being slapped up by Brighton, Bournemouth, Forrest, Wolves, Newcastle all at home and to not need individual brilliance from Amad to scrape through Southampton.

He needs to be better than this even when we apply the context that he's only been here 3 months. He said this himself when he joined, he will need time but you win time by winning games.
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Your argument doesn’t wash when you’re naming teams that hammered us under Ten Hag as well.
 
Dinghy said:
We don't have one player that benefits from playing this formation, or look better in any sort of way. We look worse than ever.
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Still true. And he's yet to do anything during a game to change it to our advantage. But it's basically all down to an absolute shitshow from Ineos from start to finish. Planning, player recruitement, time of hiring, etc. You couldn't do it worse if you tried...
 
This place wouldn't have given Pep time. Imagine if we'd just signed him post-Barca, forcing this team to try and play tiki-taka and likely having similar results to Amorim. "Tiki-taki might work in Spain but we need someone who knows the Premier League!"

No, let's get Ruud in who had a good game against Leicester and is now about to take them down.

No one is going to come in with a magic wand and turn this club around. It will take time and it will be bumpy. You don't achieve your vision by compromising for easy wins.
 
LordSpud said:
If anyone's expecting INEOS to drop £100m+ this summer they are in for a shock. We will still be in a sell to buy problem supplemented by maybe £30m-£50m?

INEOS won't be wanting to squander any money for at least 3 years.
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Of course we will spend £100m in the summer, even without sales.
 
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