He might get better (he's proven me wrong with evolving as a RB), but as a wingback for me he has been very bad under Amorim.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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So he’s made us braver and stronger in bigger away games. Just need to work on the mentality for the smaller games. Especially at home.
Obviously getting sent off doesn’t help his cause but Dalot probably deserves a chance to compete at RWB before completely writing him off.
He’s basically been stuck at LWB because we don’t have one and while that doesn’t excuse his poor performances it is a harder role to play on your wrong side.
And Arsenal is at a much better level than back then.
True but most of his games have been on the left and that's not really his position, he's also probably mentally tired, he's barely had a break in the last 12+ months, we need to see him as the RWB for a run of games to see if he improves, preferably after he's a few games off
100%.
For the Liverpool match, it would've been easy. Just show them the caf score predictions and send them out.
Hope Amorim sticks with him he will come good on his right side .
Or tell them every single person in the crowd at Anfield including our own fans expects us to concede 6+. Prove them wrong.
He's done very well so far. There is a very significant improvement in our overall play in a very short span of time, with precious little time for training. ETH could get a big result as well, but always via smash and grab while conceding a million shots. This is quite different (yesterday's match notwithstanding after going down to 10)
Ah yeah Romero is a good shout
LWB, left-footed no10 and ST - 3 essential signings for the first team.
Also 1 or 2 midlefields and maybe one left footed CB to rotate and complete the squad.
Let him cook.
Also 1 or 2 midlefields and maybe one left footed CB to rotate and complete the squad.
Let him cook.
Amad?
Great but one ain’t enough. And Amad can also play as RWB if you have a more traditional full/wing-back on the left.
I think Ten Hag and co actually did well at adding some spirit to the squad and getting rid of a lot of bad apples, but the early signs suggest that Amorim is able both to build serious character in the team, and implement a serious tactical system. I had time for Ten Hag for a long while, but to me the difference now with Amorim is like night and day. The sense of confusion and panic just wouldn't go away under Ten Hag and it is amazing he survived so long really. Let's hope Amorim can keep building.
We do definitely need depth/competition in multiple positions. We could do with a starting wing-back for each side, at least one more centre back, one or two centre mids, a 10 and a striker. Quite a lot.
Apart from a well defined system of play.
Okay okay, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have Amorim ever done for us?
Right.. A 4 2 3 1 is a defined system of play, LVG had a defined system of play, even Ten Hag had a defined system of play, it just constantly got exposed in a better league (he was getting criticised for the exposed defence and lone midfielder in the Dutch league). Having a defined style of play isn't equivalent to having a successful style of play. What we have seen from the team under Amorim is the same strengths and weaknesses we have seen under other managers (when there is space to counter we look good, when its a low block we struggle). Again the performances against city and pool were promising. He's only been in the job 3 months, its clear that a) he needs more time with the team and b) because of A its also clear he hasn't done anything outstanding at the moment. Again, seems the over reacters are upset about a bit of rationalism, I am happy with Amorim so far (apart from being too defensive at times with our wingbacks) and am excited to see what he can do over the rest of the season.
I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season
Ten Hag talked a good game and was a stickler for rules off the pitch (i.e. Sancho social media post, Rashford late) but his on-pitch standards were appalling and he'd consistently let players get away with murder.
Game after game, the fans would have to watch Rashford amble around the pitch and nothing was ever done about it.
Bold
Very bold of you knowing just how many refs are doing everything to make us fail.
Yeah, let's win our next three games at home to get our season back on track first, then we'll see what happens.
Oh right, one of those it's them no him problems. Surprised not one of Jose, Ole, Ragnick, EtH or Pioli could coach him to be better than he is.
His not good enough.
That's all fine and dandy but how are we planning on breaking down the low blocks for all the teams that we can't rely on counter attacking?
We'll get an answer soon, won't we.
I think for these games, we could use Bayindir's super powers. With his impeccable kicking, we'll just surrender possession to the opponent and prepare for the counter.
I agree, although I think if Amorim took on the amount of players ETH did he would also lose the dressing room and get turfed out eventually. ETH's tenure was remarkably successful if you think of how many players he pissed off and their status in the squad, but he gutted so many big names it's made Amorim's only real issues Case and Rashford. I feel like there's a really good core of relatively young guys now: De Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund, Zirkzee. Some won't make it, some might be sold but there is talent there for sure + a lot more aggression.
Dalot was good last season (probably our best player), good for most of the season before that and finished the season before that well.
He's been poor this season (although not as bad as some people make out), but this idea that he's never been good is strange. I don't think he brings enough attacking-wise to suit what we want in our wingbacks, but he'd been one of our better players for the two years before this season.
Why do this to yourself
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I think he has had just some issues in dealing with the wingback role and having to play both left and right wingback is quite a challenge. He has stayed fit and available though for a long time which is important as we would be in real trouble if he had got injured over the last year. Hopefully he can in time concentrate on RWB and maybe rotate with a more offensive player in certain games once we sort out the LWB position with a new addition. As a side note, how good has Masouri been at filling in all over the place and what a bargain upgrade on AWB.
I've always differed on the idea of the team being lazy under ETH. I didn't really buy it. I generally always saw effort and on the whole a good set of professionals. What I saw was a lack of athleticism and technique coupled with this crazy idea of playing without a midfield.
The exception would be Rashford but it wasn't straightforward. Rashford rescued ETH's first season. He's got that Mr Manchester United profile.
It's not easy to then drop that player soon after. Even more so when the alternatives aren't really there or ready.
Without doubt towards the end Rashford should have been dropped more but ETH did his fair share of disciplining lazy players. That's not the stick to beat him with.
Transfers and set up. That was his problem.
Will definitely have some teething issue attacking wise and would result in a lot of draws, maybe (probably) a lot more than we would like
And for the record, I don't think it'll be enough to get top 4. But we will qualify for CL through winning Europa League
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We haven't been solely a counter attacking team these past few games, the way we were under ETH and Ole. There's much more control in our play now, and we actually have a relatively calm grip on games as opposed to the madness under ETH. This should transition into better showings against the low block teams, hopefully starting with Southampton on Thursday.
I don't necessarily disagree, I have said elsewhere that "lack of effort" is a lazy criticism that generally masks the REAL issues at hand...i.e. poor coaching, poor organisation, lack of talent etc...
However, my point about EtH was that he never really properly addressed unprofessionalism / lack of effort from certain individuals - and that can impact the motivation of the rest of the group.
Rashford, for example...consistently lazy and unprofessional. Casemiro...that panenka penalty vs Coventry would have ended him for me...Garancho...too big for his boots etc...Bruno relentlessly petulant and sulking etc...
It seems that Amorim is taking real steps to address the issues that we have clearly had with mentality. Like I say, that doesn't necessarily mean "not trying" / "not caring"...but making players accountable for their actions and attitude on the pitch at all times.
Rashford, effectively gone. Casemiro...looks to be being phased out. Garnacho, dropped. Bruno...still petulant...but at least now talking and behaving more like a leader.
We have absolutely no chance of getting top 4. General prediction to make 4th is around 70pts. Spreadex are predicting that the 4th placed team in the EPL this season will finish on between 69-70pts.
Forget top 6 as well (63pts), 7th & Euro Conference League, no thanks, around 58pts.
For us to get 70pts we need 47pts from the remaining 18 games. In other words, Quick calc shows we need to win 16 of those 18 games. As I said, no chance.
For the record, Spreadex are predicting we’ll finish with around 52pts in mid-div. Personally I think 52 is a bit high but I’ll be a lot more happier when we get to 35pts & we can all breathe a bit easier.