Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[McTerminator]

Has anybody mentioned how weird+genius it was that Amorim put two CBs in the first 5 penalty takers? One of them a youngster in Leny, too.

AND IT WORKED wonderfully!

A stroke of genius – defenders are calmer and calm wins pens? Or something he saw in training, or both? Whatever it was - he nailed it!

Amorim mentioned in his presser that the set pieces and penalty takers were nothing to do with him, it was his coaching staff.

He is keen to give them credit where due, we should as well. Let’s hope we have brought in a great coaching team, so far signs are good!

 

[ManUArfa]

Still think its way too early. The same plaudits were being given to Ten Hag and Ole early on. The United teams were always capable of raising their levels for games vs rivals every now and then. Its this next run of games where we need to see a true difference. At the moment, everything said about Amorim was said about Ten Hag after half a season in.

I think the team has always been capable of fight and spirit in these games. The cup final last year we showed it under ETH.

Agree with those who say we shouldn't get carried away about Amorim just yet(although I want to).

Isn't the difference not that Amorin has also been prepared to drop the lazy prima donnas who will never sprint back (among the other unwelcome distractions that they also bring)?

 

[Tincanalley]

I just hope he's realized by now how bad Dalot is and will get rid of him depsite their Portugal connection.

Tripe. Dalot is a treasure. I hope you enjoyed us beating Arsenal, or is football your thing?

 

[davidmichael]

I just hope he's realized by now how bad Dalot is and will get rid of him depsite their Portugal connection.

I can see Dalot being kept around as a squad option as he can produce good performances and isn’t big wages so as a defensive wing back he’s not a bad option, Dalot would definitely be in the list of probable to stay but definitely upgraded on as soon as possible.

 

[Marwood]

Isn't the difference not that Amorin has also been prepared to drop the lazy prima donnas who will never sprint back (among the other unwelcome distractions that they also bring)?

Right now we can't say there's a difference. I'm quietly confident in Amorim, more than I wasin ETH but it's too soon.

I want to believe there's a big difference but everything we've seen under Amorim so far we saw under ETH. That won't go down well but it's true. First season we had some good results against the top teams. Last season we did.

When ETH first came in it was declared he was so much better than Ole. When really it was a Rashford purple patch that made the big difference.

What we can say for certain is last summer was the best window we've had in ages. That is going to help.

 

[flameinthesun]

Isn't the difference not that Amorin has also been prepared to drop the lazy prima donnas who will never sprint back (among the other unwelcome distractions that they also bring)?

Again a similar thing which could have been said about Ten Hag regarding Ronaldo, Sancho.

I think some people are misinterpreting the cautious approach to seeing how things go. I'm all aboard the Amorim train but he hasn't really shown that much in terms of difference when compared to what Ten Hag showed in his first season. Although the 2 away performances vs City and Pool I do think were very promising signs. Need a bigger sample size.

 

[VP89]

Tripe. Dalot is a treasure. I hope you enjoyed us beating Arsenal, or is football your thing?

I actually like Dalot but he's been very shit generally.

 

[The Purley King]

I actually like Dalot but he's been very shit generally.

Disagree strongly with that.
Yesterday he lost his head with that challenge for sure but he is very capable and with the right coaching could become even better.
I’m not worried about him at all. Centre forward is where we need an immediate upgrade.

 

[Kayla40TS]

Right now we can't say there's a difference. I'm quietly confident in Amorim, more than I wasin ETH but it's too soon.

I want to believe there's a big difference but everything we've seen under Amorim so far we saw under ETH. That won't go down well but it's true. First season we had some good results against the top teams. Last season we did.

When ETH first came in it was declared he was so much better than Ole. When really it was a Rashford purple patch that made the big difference.

What we can say for certain is last summer was the best window we've had in ages. That is going to help.

ETH's good results against top sides all came at home. Never away. Amorim already has him beat in that regard.

I wanted ETH, I was happy when we got him, I thought he had the tools to lead us out of the wilderness. And in some regards, I guess he did since he won a few trophies. But there's something about Amorim that ETH never had and in fact no manager has had since Fergie. I guess you'd call it an aura for lack of a better term?

To be honest, it was the sub of Zirkzee in the first half against Newcastle where I had a feeling deep down that Amorim is going to revive us. Under the circumstances, even though it was an obviously correct move, I think very few managers have the guts to do something like that so early in their tenure.

 

[VP89]

Disagree strongly with that.
Yesterday he lost his head with that challenge for sure but he is very capable and with the right coaching could become even better.
I’m not worried about him at all. Centre forward is where we need an immediate upgrade.

He might get better (he's proven me wrong with evolving as a RB), but as a wingback for me he has been very bad under Amorim.

 

[Suedesi]

That seems to have stopped!

They must be fuming.

Thank G-d

 

[DJ_21]

So he’s made us braver and stronger in bigger away games. Just need to work on the mentality for the smaller games. Especially at home.

 

[sparx99]

He might get better (he's proven me wrong with evolving as a RB), but as a wingback for me he has been very bad under Amorim.

Obviously getting sent off doesn’t help his cause but Dalot probably deserves a chance to compete at RWB before completely writing him off.

He’s basically been stuck at LWB because we don’t have one and while that doesn’t excuse his poor performances it is a harder role to play on your wrong side.

 

[led_scholes]

Even in that instance, Pogba got sent off with 15 minutes to play while we were 3-1 up. A little different than yesterday's game.

And Arsenal is at a much better level than back then.

 

[Red in STL]

He might get better (he's proven me wrong with evolving as a RB), but as a wingback for me he has been very bad under Amorim.

True but most of his games have been on the left and that's not really his position, he's also probably mentally tired, he's barely had a break in the last 12+ months, we need to see him as the RWB for a run of games to see if he improves, preferably after he's a few games off

 

[Remember the geese]

And Arsenal is at a much better level than back then.

100%.

 

[erikcred]

So he’s made us braver and stronger in bigger away games. Just need to work on the mentality for the smaller games. Especially at home.

For the Liverpool match, it would've been easy. Just show them the caf score predictions and send them out.

 

[The Purley King]

Hope Amorim sticks with him he will come good on his right side .

 

[DJ_21]

For the Liverpool match, it would've been easy. Just show them the caf score predictions and send them out.

Or tell them every single person in the crowd at Anfield including our own fans expects us to concede 6+. Prove them wrong.

 

[Bebe]

He's done very well so far. There is a very significant improvement in our overall play in a very short span of time, with precious little time for training. ETH could get a big result as well, but always via smash and grab while conceding a million shots. This is quite different (yesterday's match notwithstanding after going down to 10)

 

[cpresc]

He definitely used his backup keepers more than ETH and Amorin (up to recently). Romero was used in the EL until the final post SAF.

Ah yeah Romero is a good shout

 

[goncaloc10]

LWB, left-footed no10 and ST - 3 essential signings for the first team.

Also 1 or 2 midlefields and maybe one left footed CB to rotate and complete the squad.

Let him cook.

 

[Remember the geese]

left-footed no10

Amad?

 

[goncaloc10]

Amad?

Great but one ain’t enough. And Amad can also play as RWB if you have a more traditional full/wing-back on the left.

 

[TwoSheds]

I think Ten Hag and co actually did well at adding some spirit to the squad and getting rid of a lot of bad apples, but the early signs suggest that Amorim is able both to build serious character in the team, and implement a serious tactical system. I had time for Ten Hag for a long while, but to me the difference now with Amorim is like night and day. The sense of confusion and panic just wouldn't go away under Ten Hag and it is amazing he survived so long really. Let's hope Amorim can keep building.

 

[Remember the geese]

Great but one ain’t enough. And Amad can also play as RWB if you have a more traditional full/wing-back on the left.

We do definitely need depth/competition in multiple positions. We could do with a starting wing-back for each side, at least one more centre back, one or two centre mids, a 10 and a striker. Quite a lot.

 

[alexthelion]

Again a similar thing which could have been said about Ten Hag regarding Ronaldo, Sancho.

I think some people are misinterpreting the cautious approach to seeing how things go. I'm all aboard the Amorim train but he hasn't really shown that much in terms of difference when compared to what Ten Hag showed in his first season. Although the 2 away performances vs City and Pool I do think were very promising signs. Need a bigger sample size.

Apart from a well defined system of play.

 

[GreatDane]

Apart from a well defined system of play.

Okay okay, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have Amorim ever done for us?

 

[flameinthesun]

Apart from a well defined system of play.

Okay okay, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have Amorim ever done for us?

Right.. A 4 2 3 1 is a defined system of play, LVG had a defined system of play, even Ten Hag had a defined system of play, it just constantly got exposed in a better league (he was getting criticised for the exposed defence and lone midfielder in the Dutch league). Having a defined style of play isn't equivalent to having a successful style of play. What we have seen from the team under Amorim is the same strengths and weaknesses we have seen under other managers (when there is space to counter we look good, when its a low block we struggle). Again the performances against city and pool were promising. He's only been in the job 3 months, its clear that a) he needs more time with the team and b) because of A its also clear he hasn't done anything outstanding at the moment. Again, seems the over reacters are upset about a bit of rationalism, I am happy with Amorim so far (apart from being too defensive at times with our wingbacks) and am excited to see what he can do over the rest of the season.

 

[themanguydude]

I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season

 

[Lentwood]

I think the team has always been capable of fight and spirit in these games. The cup final last year we showed it under ETH.

Agree with those who say we shouldn't get carried away about Amorim just yet(although I want to).

Ten Hag talked a good game and was a stickler for rules off the pitch (i.e. Sancho social media post, Rashford late) but his on-pitch standards were appalling and he'd consistently let players get away with murder.

Game after game, the fans would have to watch Rashford amble around the pitch and nothing was ever done about it.

 

[Glorio]

I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season

Bold

 

[The Red Thinker]

I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season

Very bold of you knowing just how many refs are doing everything to make us fail.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Yeah, let's win our next three games at home to get our season back on track first, then we'll see what happens.

 

[astracrazy]

Disagree strongly with that.
Yesterday he lost his head with that challenge for sure but he is very capable and with the right coaching could become even better.
I’m not worried about him at all. Centre forward is where we need an immediate upgrade.

Oh right, one of those it's them no him problems. Surprised not one of Jose, Ole, Ragnick, EtH or Pioli could coach him to be better than he is.

His not good enough.

 

[Paul778]

I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season

That's all fine and dandy but how are we planning on breaking down the low blocks for all the teams that we can't rely on counter attacking?

 

[Ayoba]

I can feel it, the fighting spirit after the Arsenal game. I predict we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season

Now watch us lose to soton

 

[erikcred]

That's all fine and dandy but how are we planning on breaking down the low blocks for all the teams that we can't rely on counter attacking?

We'll get an answer soon, won't we.

I think for these games, we could use Bayindir's super powers. With his impeccable kicking, we'll just surrender possession to the opponent and prepare for the counter.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I think Ten Hag and co actually did well at adding some spirit to the squad and getting rid of a lot of bad apples, but the early signs suggest that Amorim is able both to build serious character in the team, and implement a serious tactical system. I had time for Ten Hag for a long while, but to me the difference now with Amorim is like night and day. The sense of confusion and panic just wouldn't go away under Ten Hag and it is amazing he survived so long really. Let's hope Amorim can keep building.

I agree, although I think if Amorim took on the amount of players ETH did he would also lose the dressing room and get turfed out eventually. ETH's tenure was remarkably successful if you think of how many players he pissed off and their status in the squad, but he gutted so many big names it's made Amorim's only real issues Case and Rashford. I feel like there's a really good core of relatively young guys now: De Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund, Zirkzee. Some won't make it, some might be sold but there is talent there for sure + a lot more aggression.

 

[MadDogg]

Oh right, one of those it's them no him problems. Surprised not one of Jose, Ole, Ragnick, EtH or Pioli could coach him to be better than he is.

His not good enough.

Dalot was good last season (probably our best player), good for most of the season before that and finished the season before that well.

He's been poor this season (although not as bad as some people make out), but this idea that he's never been good is strange. I don't think he brings enough attacking-wise to suit what we want in our wingbacks, but he'd been one of our better players for the two years before this season.