Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

Marwood said:
I've always differed on the idea of the team being lazy under ETH. I didn't really buy it. I generally always saw effort and on the whole a good set of professionals. What I saw was a lack of athleticism and technique coupled with this crazy idea of playing without a midfield.

The exception would be Rashford but it wasn't straightforward. Rashford rescued ETH's first season. He's got that Mr Manchester United profile.

It's not easy to then drop that player soon after. Even more so when the alternatives aren't really there or ready.

Without doubt towards the end Rashford should have been dropped more but ETH did his fair share of disciplining lazy players. That's not the stick to beat him with.

Transfers and set up. That was his problem.
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I don't necessarily disagree, I have said elsewhere that "lack of effort" is a lazy criticism that generally masks the REAL issues at hand...i.e. poor coaching, poor organisation, lack of talent etc...

However, my point about EtH was that he never really properly addressed unprofessionalism / lack of effort from certain individuals - and that can impact the motivation of the rest of the group.

Rashford, for example...consistently lazy and unprofessional. Casemiro...that panenka penalty vs Coventry would have ended him for me...Garancho...too big for his boots etc...Bruno relentlessly petulant and sulking etc...

It seems that Amorim is taking real steps to address the issues that we have clearly had with mentality. Like I say, that doesn't necessarily mean "not trying" / "not caring"...but making players accountable for their actions and attitude on the pitch at all times.

Rashford, effectively gone. Casemiro...looks to be being phased out. Garnacho, dropped. Bruno...still petulant...but at least now talking and behaving more like a leader.
 
themanguydude said:
Will definitely have some teething issue attacking wise and would result in a lot of draws, maybe (probably) a lot more than we would like

And for the record, I don't think it'll be enough to get top 4. But we will qualify for CL through winning Europa League
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We have absolutely no chance of getting top 4. General prediction to make 4th is around 70pts. Spreadex are predicting that the 4th placed team in the EPL this season will finish on between 69-70pts.

Forget top 6 as well (63pts), 7th & Euro Conference League, no thanks, around 58pts.

For us to get 70pts we need 47pts from the remaining 18 games. In other words, Quick calc shows we need to win 16 of those 18 games. As I said, no chance.

For the record, Spreadex are predicting we’ll finish with around 52pts in mid-div. Personally I think 52 is a bit high but I’ll be a lot more happier when we get to 35pts & we can all breathe a bit easier.
 
we need to bring in 1 or 2 players this window to back Amorim and give him a couple guys that will fit his plan especially going forward

have to find a way to score more goals and not just on the counter
 
Shark said:
We haven't been solely a counter attacking team these past few games, the way we were under ETH and Ole. There's much more control in our play now, and we actually have a relatively calm grip on games as opposed to the madness under ETH. This should transition into better showings against the low block teams, hopefully starting with Southampton on Thursday.
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Good read but statistically dense. Spoiler: mixed bag Ten Hag v Amorim

https://www.espn.com/soccer/insider/story/_/id/43339191/how-manchester-united-changed-ruben-amorim
 
We’ve brought in a real gem of a manager mid season. None of this nonsense that he needs years to implement his style. He’s come straight in and stuck to what he knows and won’t change it. We’ll be so much better of next season when the players are more use to this style.
 
He improved players fitness levels to next level where Ole, Ragnick and ETH failed.
We started to see having more ball control and not hitting it in any direction like before hoping some one will be there.
He is improving togetherness in the team, fighting for each other and building good spirit.
He nearly fixed defence and I guess he is now working with forward line too.
He always speaks right things to the media/press.
He identified the players holding us back and trying to offload them too.

All this in 8 weeks, Give this guy few more months and he will make us great again, no doubt about it.
 
Bobby_2024 said:
He improved players fitness levels to next level where Ole, Ragnick and ETH failed.
We started to see having more ball control and not hitting it in any direction like before hoping some one will be there.
He is improving togetherness in the team, fighting for each other and building good spirit.
He nearly fixed defence and I guess he is now working with forward line too.
He always speaks right things to the media/press.
He identified the players holding us back and trying to offload them too.

All this in 8 weeks, Give this guy few more months and he will make us great again, no doubt about it.
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Agree, he even gave us Fergie era vibes (the way the team played) last 2 matches.
 
I think we willl hover around 8-12place under Amorim. But we need to trust him and we’ll start challenging in 2-3 years with several transfer windows under his belt
 
Remember the geese said:
Why will we be breathing easier when we hit 35pts? And don't give me this 'relegation' bollocks that was polluting the forum a couple of weeks ago.
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Objectively, the league table as it stands does imply a (smallish) risk of relegation. Recent league results have been relegation form. We're all assuming a corner has been turned, including me, but you can't deny the downwards trajectory we were on and do need to actually win some PL games again.
 
"Next game will teach me more about my players than the last two"

RA always on the money...
 
Huge match this weekend. Has to be a victory for us otherwise it will be seen as lost progress again.

Time to put out your best eleven and stick with them.
 
The players love him and they trust each other. Good to have a manager that understands the players since he’s young. He’ll be successful here
 
Feels like he knows his best 11. May still be some rotation due to number of games. Dalot obvs will be missing tomorrow. Malacia start or switch Mazroui and have Amad at wing back.
 
DevilRed said:
Huge match this weekend. Has to be a victory for us otherwise it will be seen as lost progress again.

Time to put out your best eleven and stick with them.
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I'll ask again, for the 5th time in this thread -who are our "best eleven"?
I see total of 5 reliable players in our entire squad.
How do you know your idea of "best 11" will have players performing?

He should pick the players who performed best in training and are in some sort of form.
Don't see anyone as "automatic starter" bar Maz, Ugarte, Licha, Amad and Bruno. And Bruno can have a shit day, no guarantees what you get there.

Also, who is our best striker? Hojlund is in awful form, Zirkzee is enigma, Rashford is out of the picture, even if he's not, he's awful n9.

Seriously, people went so over the top after Newcastle, it's actually embarrassing!
Casemiro and Eriksen are both 32, not retired players. They should have been able to handle the task.
It's extremely unprofessional to be unable to handle game tempo at this age! Speaks volumes about the players, not his "rotation".

We have two 32 years old midfielders and we're acting like they should play sporadically because they are "too old".

Real Madrid dominated Europe for years with Modric and Kroos, both well over 30, running the show.

Stop looking for faults in Amorim. He's the last person to take any blame for anything.
 
Insanity said:
Why?

He hasn't said anything outrageous. We have set-up defensively with 5 at the back off late & I too hope that changes with the fixtures coming up. We need to go back to playing a more attacking player as a WB.

It was okay for the last two games as we were the underdogs. However, we do need to be more attacking. Amorium has fixed the mentality issue (I hope it's more permanent) and now has to work on improving our style of play. I am sure he'll too.
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Im glad Amorim has addressed this in his presser today. Said that Utd cannot always defend with 5 pure defenders on the pitch, and we will evolve with our development.
 
rockhopperpenguin21 said:
Feels like he knows his best 11. May still be some rotation due to number of games. Dalot obvs will be missing tomorrow. Malacia start or switch Mazroui and have Amad at wing back.
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We should be going amad wing back. Or Antony. Surely we can afford to go with 1 attacking wingback against these. Antony and Amad actually link up good on the right.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
Im glad Amorim has addressed this in his presser today. Said that Utd cannot always defend with 5 pure defenders on the pitch, and we will evolve with our development.
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This is why I believe him more than any other post Fergie managers. He is very clear in his ideas and is fully aware of the current situation & the future expectations. He isn't trying to fool anyone in pressers with nonsense to escape accountability. It was good to hear him elaborate on our goal scoring woes and how the team currently is built to score on the counter. He addressed on our struggles in the final third and how team isn't adept at scoring any other kind of goal other than on transition.

I also liked how he addressed the Maguire question. Players discussions on here fluctuate like scrips on the stock market. A player is good or bad based on their recent performances, when it should be more nuanced. I was happy that he pointed out how 'Arry is more motivated now and that brings out his leadership qualities; but also how he is excelling right now because we are defending deeper and have four players defending remaining deep. However, as Amo gets more training sessions and evolves team in his vision he expects us to be more attacking, which would leave more spaces at the back that 'Arry would have to defend. That is where Maguire struggles and I don't see him as a long term solution for our defense.

What I mean is, Ruben comes across as a good motivator with a ability to get the best out of the available players, but still has a very clear idea in his mind on the type of player we require to become a top team.
 
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Toshey said:
I'll ask again, for the 5th time in this thread -who are our "best eleven"?
I see total of 5 reliable players in our entire squad.
How do you know your idea of "best 11" will have players performing?

He should pick the players who performed best in training and are in some sort of form.
Don't see anyone as "automatic starter" bar Maz, Ugarte, Licha, Amad and Bruno. And Bruno can have a shit day, no guarantees what you get there.

Also, who is our best striker? Hojlund is in awful form, Zirkzee is enigma, Rashford is out of the picture, even if he's not, he's awful n9.

Seriously, people went so over the top after Newcastle, it's actually embarrassing!
Casemiro and Eriksen are both 32, not retired players. They should have been able to handle the task.
It's extremely unprofessional to be unable to handle game tempo at this age! Speaks volumes about the players, not his "rotation".

We have two 32 years old midfielders and we're acting like they should play sporadically because they are "too old".

Real Madrid dominated Europe for years with Modric and Kroos, both well over 30, running the show.

Stop looking for faults in Amorim. He's the last person to take any blame for anything.
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At present it seems to be

Onana
Dalot
Martinez
Maguire
De Ligt
Maz
Ugarte
Mainoo
Amad
Bruno
Hojlund

But these things are always subject to change.

EDIT: As Dalot is suspended it’s probably Garnacho or Malacia in that role.
 
Best 11 doesn't mean 11 long term team members. It's more that Amorin has seen enough of the players to be able to pick the best ones available for how he wants to play. The constant switching around, especially at the back should now stop by and large. He says it would be painful and it has been. He also said wins but time and he's had enough of them already in my book.
 
First corner goal of the season - of course against United. Couldn't make this shit up :lol: :lol:
 
Shocking stuff by Amorim. The team is set up awfully and have been totally outclassed by Southampton at home so far. We thoroughly deserve to be behind.
 
Swiss_Red89 said:
We play 5 at the back vs southampton at home...

I fear he's not the genius we all hoped.
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It is pretty embaressing being absolutely outclassed tactically by a team that is bottom of the league with 6 points. This isn't a smash and grab, they are dominating us.
 
Drainy said:
Or maybe the players aren't playing well
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They do not understand their positioning as they've never played in these positions before and don't have the balls. He has to adjust for them at least a little bit or explain to them in different ways. Every week its the same, our wingbacks are too deep.
 
Swiss_Red89 said:
We play 5 at the back vs southampton at home...

I fear he's not the genius we all hoped.
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Pretty sure that isn't the plan. Lots of players have been shouting at Mazraoui to play higher and he's ignored them.

Might well see Malacia at HT.
 
If only he wasn't such a disciple of this system, have a lot of concerns with it given our squad.

Works for the top matches it seems.

Looking at Amad having the ball and there being no overlap, is so pitiful.
 
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