There's no reason he can't adapt to his formation during preseason and just play to their strengths for now. Enough excuses for this one trick pony of a coach
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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If he sticks with the system no matter what, he doesn’t deserve to remain as head coach. This is disastrous, this isn’t just short term pain.
I’ll admit that I could see some improvement in Forest and Bournemouth despite the result. Today is beyond pathetic though, this is worse than I’ve ever seen us.
Seriously hope he’s given time to build his own squad. ETH really screwed us over.
Zirkzee's confidence utterly destroyed then.
At least he has balls. Really shocking performance so far
Absolute bollocks. Play a system to the strengths of the squad, you might get somewhere.
Another one bites the dust.
Bloody norma, great chance for Hojlund.
It's ultimately a balancing act, patience can be a virtue with a new manager at a club that's a mess but by the same token any top club can only take so much in the way of endless defeats before a change in approach is considered. The nature of the defeats (this one pending) also feels like a big problem too. Getting comfortably beaten by teams outside the top four/even in the relegation zone.
The fact there's basically been no proper bounce at all is highly concerning. The squad isn't very good and is clearly demotivated but it's not relegation level.
I’m moving past the “can’t judge him, it’s the squad” phase.
True, the first team doesn’t suit his system. But show some pragmatism! What’s the grand plan here? Keep losing until the players learn his system or new signings come in?
That ain’t gonna cut it. Any manager, at any club, has to be able to react to challenges and change things up in order to be competitive.
Never mind competitive, we’re now shooting practice for anyone who comes to Old Trafford!
Edit: thank God he’s making some subs before the half hour mark.
True, the first team doesn’t suit his system. But show some pragmatism! What’s the grand plan here? Keep losing until the players learn his system or new signings come in?
That ain’t gonna cut it. Any manager, at any club, has to be able to react to challenges and change things up in order to be competitive.
Never mind competitive, we’re now shooting practice for anyone who comes to Old Trafford!
Edit: thank God he’s making some subs before the half hour mark.
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No worse than anybody else in a red jersey. Don’t know what people think cheering a player coming off is going to do for the team.
He's doing a terrible job so far, there's no way around it.
Now Dalot/Mazraoui for Garnacho, at least attack.
He was, though. Saying now or never is saying this is your one chance. He wanted to wait until the season was over.
We brought him into a terrible season, with a terrible squad, no pre season, etc. This season was always going to pan out like this regardless of who was in charge.
Why did we sack ETH then?
Whatever he is trying to do, good luck to him. But he better not feck around like this ar Anfield. It will be double figures otherwise.
Because he;s brought in Zirkzee? absolute years of dross leaving the squad in this state. Antony says hi
Agree 100%
I don't think it can be overstated just how shitty a situation he was given. We can debate team selection and formation, but at the core of it he got a rotten squad with zero confidence and cohesion.
At this point I'm thinking we should have just let ETH finish the season and not taint a new one with this shit, although that's obviously with hindsight.
At this point I'm thinking we should have just let ETH finish the season and not taint a new one with this shit, although that's obviously with hindsight.
Lot of people said we had a great summer, as recently as a couple of weeks ago
We are a mid table club in every way except for how much money the club still generates, which will start to fade eventually.
United is not an elite club and hasn't been one in over a decade.
No because then we have to go through this transition at the beginning of next season. Better to get this shit out of the way.
You can chalk some of our troubles up to Amorim's hubris, but the squad is absolutely awful. Maresca came into Chelsea and was able to get a tune out of a billion pounds worth of players because there were 3-4 at nearly every position to choose from. You can only do so much with dull tools.
Last 4 managers ended up doing that. Look where that got us.
feck this bunch of lazy free riders
It’s a tough job, the toughest there is. He would have known that. Several managers are appointed all of the time with all those circumstances. It’s part of the course. We don’t need to excuses.
Madness.
Honestly there needs to be someone at the club long term to oversee the transition between managers, like Ashworth was meant to be, who we haven't replaced for some reason. Someone to make sure managers don't keep making the same mistakes with players. Those two should never be in a midfield two. Even without a DoF though that should be easy to see.
Presumably he was clear before being hired that he would play his system. So, he's doing what he was hired to do...
Buck falls on ownership. They should have got Amorim in the summer, or stuck with Ruud as interim with a view to preparing the squad for Amorim at a later date.
This is as bad as it gets. There’s systems and tactics. This formation isn’t right for us and playing 6 defensive players is fecking thick. We can’t even manage a shot on target at home. Pathetic.
What strengths lies within this squad? Onana, Martinez, Zirkzee, Hojlund, Eriksen, Casemiro (past it), Dalot, Maguire these players have no discernible strengths and are midtable level quality players.
We'd get absolutely fecking no where doing that. Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?
I think the experimentation should be over by now. Under no circumstances was a Casemiro, Eriksen, Zirkzee midfield going to work
Poor bastard 
I am not going to change my tune: Amorim is a good coach. However, as the weeks pass it's becoming harder to see how he's a good fit for our squad.
The collapse that's leading us to the Championship is on INEOS. It was their call to go for a coach that was far from an obvious fit for our players.
All of last season's talk of a game model vanished. There was no plan. If Amorim doesn't survive I see no chance of us playing 343 again, which just shows the drift and lack of direction from above.
There's no difference in how the club is run today than how it was run under Woodward and
Arnold.
The collapse that's leading us to the Championship is on INEOS. It was their call to go for a coach that was far from an obvious fit for our players.
All of last season's talk of a game model vanished. There was no plan. If Amorim doesn't survive I see no chance of us playing 343 again, which just shows the drift and lack of direction from above.
There's no difference in how the club is run today than how it was run under Woodward and
Arnold.
Change the system until the end of season. Scout players for 343 and use the preseason to restart. This is unsustainable
If his system is to play 6 defensive players and offer nothing in attack then he is to blame for that.
Yep, it's only acceptable if they're cheering that the manager has tried to take steps to halt the flow.
And it has a little.
But having dead weight of an extra centre back is helping nothing. Having 2 giant defenders hasn't helped on 2 crosses.
feck me, if all we do is counter we might as well play 4-3-3
I really want him to succeed. But he needs to adapt his system. He said it himself - wins will buy him time. He's not winning consistently now. So he has to change something.