Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

He can’t hide away from the record in the same way the players can’t hide away from being outed as absolutely shit.

The decision to hire a polarising figure like Amorim mid-season could be one of the most regrettable in recent history. I think he’s destined to succeed with the right backing, but to get him in November and effectively watch him unsettle every piece of shit here to the point they’re happily snaking the entire organisation in front of the adoring public is madness.

Ratters should’ve agreed to the end of the season move and just let some other poor sod watch us limp to safety.

The Ratcliffe/Berrada/Wilcox axis is not looking as stable as everyone assumed it would be. All seemed a bit too much too soon and it’s proving to be the case.

I hope Amorim can get a tune out of the few players who play for the badge and are willing to respect the principles of the long-term plan, but I fear like Ashworth he’ll end up in the firing line before the end of his contract, because the results are bad. The next three fixtures put us pretty much in a relegation battle :wenger:
 
RDCR07 said:
Were you living under a rock these past 2 years when Ten Hag was in charge?

Also if we are talking about opposition he drew at home to Dutch side and we won one game in Europe in over 12 months. feck off with your stupid comparisons.
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Nothing stupid about it. It's stats on the Ten Hag last ten games which eventually got him sacked v the first ten under Amorim. Was no big fan of Ten Hag however didn't blame him for United's woes and most certainly won't be blaming Amorim now.

These past two years or indeed the last ten years tells me how poorly run this club are, It's a broken and cursed club and lose to Newcastle,Liverpool in the next two Premier games United will be left in a very precarious position in the table.
 
Jezpeza said:
FFP means he aint getting £600m. Most of what Amorim needs to achieve will
have to be done with the majority of these players. Can already see where its going
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Oh absolutely. He's going to have to figure out how to get a tune out of what he's got.

I doubt any manager is going to have 600m to spend for a long time, if ever.
 
always_hoping said:
Nothing stupid about it. It's stats on the Ten Hag last ten games which eventually got him sacked v the first ten under Amorim. Was no big fan of Ten Hag however didn't blame him for United's woes and most certainly won't blaming Amorim now.
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But your comparisons don’t make any sense. Ten Hag was here for more than 2 years had 3 preseasons, playing his system with the players brought in. Amorim has been here for 45 days trying to play his system with the players he knew nothing about.
 
Some people will be getting the knives out but we have to stick with him. It's only been 6 weeks and this is the busiest time of the season and probably the toughest fixtures to come into.

This club is a mess and it's going to take a couple of seasons to get us back on track. The recruitment under ten hag has set us back so much. The players we have are mediocre, there is no pace, hardly any ability to finish a chance, no strength and in my opinion a very small percentage of real quality. Look at the individual mistakes that are happening too, (Onana today, Balyinder and martinez against spurs) those can't be helped by the manager.

We need to give this guy a fair crack.
 
How long did Maresca take to get a tune out if his squad ? Granted Chelsea are a better team in terms of quality than us, but hopefully we will start to gel more as a team.
 
Jezpeza said:
FFP means he aint getting £600m. Most of what Amorim needs to achieve will
have to be done with the majority of these players. Can already see where its going
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I’ll just repeat what I said. He has been here for less than a month.

There are some properly mental posts in here today. I can’t believe my eyes.
 
DRJosh said:
How long did Maresca take to get a tune out if his squad ? Granted Chelsea are a better team in terms of quality than us, but hopefully we will start to gel more as a team.
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Yeah but he had a full preseason with the squad, which is what Amorim wanted.
 
always_hoping said:
Nothing stupid about it. It's stats on the Ten Hag last ten games which eventually got him sacked v the first ten under Amorim. Was no big fan of Ten Hag however didn't blame him for United's woes and most certainly won't be blaming Amorim now.

These past two years or indeed the last ten years tells me how poorly run this club are, It's a broken and cursed club and lose to Newcastle,Liverpool in the next two Premier games United will be left in a very precarious position in the table.
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It's concerning you can't see the difference between ten Hag and Amorim.

One was here two and half seasons and 15 signings later. The other 6 weeks.
 
We and more importantly the club need to back him 100%.

We post on here week after week how pretty much none of these players should be Manchester United players, we shouldn't be surprised when they don't perform like them.

Not only do we lack quality, but we don't even have a squad that suit the same type of football to eachother. We have no athletes, an now we have appointed a coach who demands a very strict style of football that is physically demanding.

As the manager says, this is a long journey. Anything other than backing the manager results in more of the same.
 
DRJosh said:
How long did Maresca take to get a tune out if his squad ? Granted Chelsea are a better team in terms of quality than us, but hopefully we will start to gel more as a team.
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Maresca is doing a very good job at chelsea but sorry his team is far far better than ours. Even some of the players they are trying to offload would probably get into our squad.

I'd imagine Maresca would struggle with what we have at our disposal.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
I worry that he will be pressured into changing systems for stability. We brought him in to implement a system, let him do it ffs. EtH failed because he spent a season being pragmatic instead of just going for it full force. I hope we don't see the same with Amorim.
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Feel the same. I’ve seen people say ‘just ditch the system and play a compact 4231’ but i feel like they’re missing the point.

We got this guy because of who he is. Get Steve Bruce in if you just want us to be compact and play the percentages. Amorim is supposed to shake shit up and transform us, it’s what got him the gig in the first place. He said there’d be a storm. Well, here it is.
 
Just sacrificed Christmas with his family in Portugal to work hard and got this result.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already feeling exhausted and depressed, poor guy.

Baptism of fire.

The errors were:
1. Not getting him in the summer so he could actually train the squad
2. Pressuring him to join now when we had Ruud playing on vibes

This carte blanche he has on 343 is very poorly timed and fear would have produced much better results either last summer or next
 
DRJosh said:
How long did Maresca take to get a tune out if his squad ? Granted Chelsea are a better team in terms of quality than us, but hopefully we will start to gel more as a team.
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Chelsea have a much better team than us. Yes, they been spending like crazy. But the wide areas and their centre midfielders are better than ours. We would take Palmer over Bruno. Jackson isn’t a world beater, but he does more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. Both GKs are crap.
 
RedDevil [NC] said:
I’m shocked by knee jerks here, we have a shit team that we paid entirely too much for, a cancerous locker room and a club in disarray and their biggest complaint is the formation and manager.
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Not shocked, maybe a little surprised by how quickly the bromance has come crashing down but this reaction was entirely predictable when we didn’t immediately climb into title contention.
Formation, manager and now INEOS all scapegoated. I don’t think the mouthy minority will ever accept the scale of the rot at this club or that simply sacking ANOTHER manager/head coach/human shield is not the golden bullet they would wish for to solve our problems.
 
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Posh Red said:
I’ll just repeat what I said. He has been here for less than a month.

There are some properly mental posts in here today. I can’t believe my eyes
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Cant believe mine. We have a new manager in who is getting little to no tune out of our players. On a point a game in the league, puts us on 42 point finish if nothing drastically changes, which I dont see much sign of.

Just got comfortably flushed by a relegation rival.

Its all fine and dandy though, given infinite time he might sign some players at some vague point in the future and then we might be able to give Wolves and Ipswich a game.

In the here and now, this is turd. This is the same turd we just fired someone for in a different box.

I think/hope it will improve slightly but the idea nothing is massively wrong already is not some sort of lunatic statement looking at the clear facts in front of us is it?
 
DRJosh said:
How long did Maresca take to get a tune out if his squad ? Granted Chelsea are a better team in terms of quality than us, but hopefully we will start to gel more as a team.
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He had a season like us now, they finished 12th. He bought many players to suit his system. Now they are 2nd, let Ruben cook. If the ingredients are bad the food is not tasting good
 
gulli_G said:
He had a season like us now, they finished 12th. He bought many players to suit his system. Now they are 2nd, let Ruben cook. If the ingredients are bad the food is not tasting good
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I don’t disagree with the principle, but was it not Pochettino that finished twelfth?
 
gulli_G said:
He had a season like us now, they finished 12th. He bought many players to suit his system. Now they are 2nd, let Ruben cook. If the ingredients are bad the food is not tasting good
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He was at Leicester last season. Poch was their manager last season and they ended the season well.
 
Sly said:
I'm kinda surprised with how Amorim is struggling but I give him the benefit of the doubt. United's squad is trash but I expected some players to improve instantly. Bruno has been a disappointment for me so far under Amorim's tenure. Players are struggling to assimilate his system and instructions. I think he needs a full preseason of training and some signings before definitive judgment.
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Do you think he will come for any Sporting players in the summer? Any murmurs in Lisbon?
 
I can't believe people are already gunning for Amorim. He can't possibly prevent individual mistakes, this is on the players qualities. He can improve certain players by playing them in a system that suits them, but he can't teach basic football to some of our players overnight.

Bruno does this stupidity out of nowhere and gets sent off. Players not willing to be aggressive on set pieces, thus conceding goal after goal. Dalot being totally dead end output on the LWB, when one of the strengths in the system should be quick change of play with a diagonal to the LWB. Having old Evans, Casemiro and Eriksen on last legs, Rashford who has checked out, Shaw and Mount who can't stay fit, Garnacho and Mainoo who are too hot and cold.

Feel sorry for the guy, it's only going to get worse for him, if he doesn't get some quality players thru the door in January, and God Forbid, has to integrate Rashford back.
 
Today's game is unwatchable, I'm from Seville and a Sevilla fan but I've been a fan of United since its golden era but this isn't a coaching problem! The problem is who signs and who spends so much money on run-of-the-mill players... the players from the youth academy like Maino or Diallo don't have Premier League level right now and they're almost starting players! A goalkeeper who's only interested in showing off in front of the cameras with certain saves... one of the worst defences I can remember at United, an old and slow midfield where they don't have the legs to fall back and neither do you have two black guys box to box to cut balls and take the ball out! Some wingers with little incisiveness added to two forwards in projection that shouldn't be starters in a United! Today Cunha was the best of the 22 players and I've even read fans here saying that they wouldn't sign him for their United... I still think that some see a better squad than there really is and here is the problem with United and it's that the drop in level of the squad is going by leaps and bounds! Until you find a top sporting director who sets up a project with a coach they trust and rebuilds almost the entire squad, United will be a coach crusher.
 
I'm finding it strange how we persist with full backs like Dalot as our wide players. Every time we roll the dice and put wingers in those positions we look miles better. We must have pace and threat out wide rather that letting our full backs do all the attacking which gets us nowhere.

Get the ball out wide to a quick player, make some carnage by hugging the touch line then cut the ball back into the middle once theirs space, it's so simple why don't we do it!?
 
gulli_G said:
Bro we are cursed with the Debt and aftermath of Ten H.
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We have Casemeiro, Ugarte, De Ligt, Martinez, bruno Fernandes, Erikson. We cant just blame the players. Even if we have weaknesses up front, cm, lwb, gk...we should still be beating these teams.


sepulturite said:
Jesus, you're as looney as later seasons peep show alan johnson, well done!
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what is wrong with having different opinions? ive been on this forum since the days of 'fachts' rafa benitez and all the laughs we all had at RAWK forum. It's influenced how United fans think, essentially a high brow attitude of sophistication and faith.

When Fergie retired, the common consensus was 'rebuilding' 'it's okay not to win for a bit, rebuilding, we're not knee jerk, we're sophisticated' and it's never left that phase.

we have seen enough in 10 years to know when someone 'isnt it'. The only question is, is it worth the club wasting time and money on?
 
Some of you pretended you were ok with his words at the start when he told you it was going to be difficult, yet when it does you start crying? The whole thing needs to be ripped up and getting wins playing on the counter with Vibes FC doesn’t get us anywhere we’ve seen this, so why desire it?

Forget about results in the league entirely this season and use it as a long preseason. We can maybe have a more serious crack at the Europa.
 
It's been a long time since I was so bored with a United game. Anyone who didn't see that from the 20th minute there was only one team on the pitch that wanted to win must watch very little football! I took him off at half-time out of boredom and because I knew we were going to lose this game again! Many of the players lack quality and, above all, a cool head in the final metres to make that pass with a certain quality, Højlund looks like a headless chicken and is almost inconsequential in most games and the youth academy isn't up to par either... Amorin will be the next to suffer from this poor squad selection!
 
Jezpeza said:
Tbf there were people saying give ETH time until the day he was sacked. He inherited a squad of shit too and changed them all out for £600m of more shit. The time=success falllacy needs adressing really.
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TBF there are plenty of examples of people who are given time and do eventually get success.

He's been here 5 weeks, let's give him a bit of time and a couple of transfer windows and see where he's at eh
 
I like him but it was disingenuous of Rúben to say the formation a team plays is basically unimportant… and it’s also kind of laughable to see people parrot this opinion

This will become a bigger talking point over the next few weeks, it’s just being overshadowed by the Rashford thing at the moment

I honestly don’t believe a great coach should be hellbent on one specific formation and should work with what he’s got.

Stick to your style and principles if you must, but base the shape around the players available.

Besides, if the formation is so irrelevant then why must it be stuck to religiously?
 
Ride out the storm and I think we'll be better for it next season.

A lot of our defeats have been self-inflicted. We'll get better.
 
Hester_manc said:
I have said before that I would prefer Thomas Frank out of the managers linked to United. That doesn't mean he would be my favorite manager, but still better suited than Amorim because the experiences of a PL club and the merits of making a team overperform in relation to its players and finances.
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PL experience is nonsense.

Completely irrelevant.
 
1000th post on a sad day.

I am so impressed with Amorim and how he comes across and I think he's very clear on what his philosophy is, however...

The Man Utd spotlight is unlike any other. Every game puts the players under massive pressure and most can't handle it.

He needs to find a way to churn some results out as while most of us are happy to back him and his system, Man Utd simply can't be sitting just above the relegation zone, it's not sustainable. The pressure on the manager and players will be unbearable soon.

I don't believe these players will suddenly 'get' the system and start playing well, and PSR means we can't really go out and replace many of them. Worrying.

I really don't know the answer. I hope Amorim does.
 
sugar_kane said:
I like him but it was disingenuous of Rúben to say the formation a team plays is basically unimportant… and it’s also kind of laughable to see people parrot this opinion

This will become a bigger talking point over the next few weeks, it’s just being overshadowed by the Rashford thing at the moment

I honestly don’t believe a great coach should be hellbent on one specific formation and should work with what he’s got.

Stick to your style and principles if you must, but base the shape around the players available.

Besides, if the formation is so irrelevant then why must it be stuck to religiously?
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How can you say he can stick to his style and principles but say he can’t play in his formation? Well that’s part of his style and principle.
 
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