Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

The vast majority of us can fully agree that this squad is full of shit. On the other hand would a top drawer manager, which supposedly Ruben is, be able to stop the spiral and drag this team into the top half? We know the answer to that as well.

I’m not writing him off but I would like to know what kind of conversations were happening during the hiring process. Until a manager works with a squad they don’t know the full extent but being a professional as he is, he’d have studied the general strengths and weaknesses of the squad and learnt it’s not suited for his style. Then comes the other end of that conversation where he’s told we can’t afford to splurge and he’d have to make do with what he’s got for a while. We’ll get a clue in January but i feel a lot of us, myself included at times, are moving the goalposts for him because we’re so desperate for him to be the one.
 
always_hoping said:
Amorim's 10 games in charge W4 D1 L5

Goals scored 17
Goals conceded 19
Shots on goal 145
Shots on target 51
Opposition shots on goal 102
Oppossition Shots on target 41
Possession - average per game 59%)


Last ten games for Ten Hag as United manager W3 D5 L2

Goals Scored 18
Goals conceded 11
Shots on goal 183
Shots on Target 77
Opposition shots on goal 104
Opposition shots on target 39
Possession average per game 54%

Make of that what you will..
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Improvement, yay!
 
I'm glad this is happening. A "new manager bounce" would just paper over the cracks again.
 
The way Ruben paces back and forth, and the look he has on his face, even when we are playing football that's half decent, it seems that even our good football is not good enough for him or perhaps away from his ideas.

From his improvements it is very clear we are trying to win the 2nd ball more, we are putting in more tackles, the press is unified, when we lose the ball we can see hard work to win it back. The CBs are slowly having less time in the ball and we are controlling games a lot more.

For all of that, we cannot say the players are not physical enough especially at how many fouls were conceded. For a logical thinker, it's simply enough to say that the majority of these players are just not talented enough... and that's okay


Now, what's the solution? The solution is that Ruben now has to lead us in his attitude. He has to make some unorthodox decisions should as fast tracking 1 or 2 academy players, by sticking to his guns and scraping points, and above him? The board have to show even more leadership.

We need the best January we've ever seen at this club... that's literally what it comes down to. The players on the pitch need to be able to execute the vision of the manager as if the manager himself is each player on the pitch.


it is not complicated at all. it's very clear.
 
jem said:
But if adapting quickly means band-aid solutions that flatter to deceive and get us up to say 8th, then I’d rather he stick to his principles, we take the short-term pain, and hopefully a hard-working team with an identity emerges at the end of it all.
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No, what I was saying is that "adapting" means you can do a good job in a country you have never worked before, at a level you have never been tested before, in a situation that is not ideal. It is not trivial. Not all people can adapt quickly.

Some adapt and are very successful despite the challenges, some cannot adapt and fail.

We still don't know which category Amorim will end up in.
 
alanjohnson said:
how did you not understand that point?
'more average players' referring to what we already have. Amorim will just dip into the network he is familiar with and buy 'more average players'.

This club isn't going to get better players than the likes of Fernandes, Ugarte, de ligt and Martinez (they are not average. If a manager can't get something out of these type of players, he will never be good enough and the excuse of 'i need to sign players who fit into my system' is just cope.

I've got no doubt Amorim is just another failure..and there's nothing unsophisticared in admitting it.
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Oh I understood the point, hence why I replied bore off lad. The man’s just walked into the club mid season during the busiest period of the season and is trying to completely transform the way the team plays, while working with complete and utter dross, none of which he signed himself. It’s blatantly obvious to anyone who watches football that this will take time. How about you strap in and get behind the manager instead of writing him off before he’s even got his feet under the table?
 
Coogan91 said:
If Rashford's gone in January (amongst others I hope) the absolute first priority has to be a LWB. Absolutely no width down that side for nearly a year now and it's shown in the lack of attacking threat. A striker would be lovely though for the price and lack of any funds unlikely. If anything could he done to get Osimhen in then fantastic.

As for the immediate, not gutted in the slightest that Bruno will be out. Undoubtedly a fantastic player, but definitely not a captain. He's surely out on his arse playing every game too. Would like to see Casemiro back in midfield at the weekend, with Eriksen at 10 and Antony at RWB.
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Whilst I agree we are really struggling with the left wing back role, I disagree its a priority.

Signing a fecking stricker who can score is the priority imo.
 
jem said:
Explain why
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I think he is too inexperienced yet. He has experience from Sporting from the Portuguese league, which in terms of level is not at all on par with the PL. I think United are too big a club for him right now, especially when United are a big mess like they are these days. I simply think that the task at United right now is too big for him compared to what he has tried before.
 
You don't get time to be a slave to a system in the Premier League unless you're Pep Guardiola. Results and reality take over and the pressure mounts. You need to adapt, muddle through and get results on the job while drilling your system behind the scenes. A football club isn't a lab, it's a living, breathing organism existing in a brutal environment.

It might be grand at a club like Sporting Lisbon to take your time instilling a system, the pressure isn't as great and the opposition isn't as competitive. It isn't grand at Manchester United. The reality is that Manchester United have now lost 2-0 at Wolves - that's Wolves who are in the relegation zone and who have just sacked their manager and replaced him with a fella plucked from Saudi Arabia, on top of a 3-0 home defeat to Bournemouth. These are only the latest in a string of piss poor performances under the new manager.

That isn't good enough.

Klopp at Liverpool was a systems manager and he had some bad setbacks in the early part of his tenure - progress never runs in straight lines - but he got results and performances early to indicate there was a solid basis for optimism. No such basis has yet emerged for Manchester United under Amorim.

Honeymoons don't last long.
 
alanjohnson said:
how did you not understand that point?
'more average players' referring to what we already have. Amorim will just dip into the network he is familiar with and buy 'more average players'.

This club isn't going to get better players than the likes of Fernandes, Ugarte, de ligt and Martinez (they are not average. If a manager can't get something out of these type of players, he will never be good enough and the excuse of 'i need to sign players who fit into my system' is just cope.

I've got no doubt Amorim is just another failure..and there's nothing unsophisticared in admitting it.
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Embarrassing yourself son
 
always_hoping said:
Amorim's 10 games in charge W4 D1 L5

Goals scored 17
Goals conceded 19
Shots on goal 145
Shots on target 51
Opposition shots on goal 102
Oppossition Shots on target 41
Possession - average per game 59%)


Last ten games for Ten Hag as United manager W3 D5 L2

Goals Scored 18
Goals conceded 11
Shots on goal 183
Shots on Target 77
Opposition shots on goal 104
Opposition shots on target 39
Possession average per game 54%

Make of that what you will..
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Anyone making anything significant of that is an idiot tbh
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
The vast majority of us can fully agree that this squad is full of shit. On the other hand would a top drawer manager, which supposedly Ruben is, be able to stop the spiral and drag this team into the top half? We know the answer to that as well.

I’m not writing him off but I would like to know what kind of conversations were happening during the hiring process. Until a manager works with a squad they don’t know the full extent but being a professional as he is, he’d have studied the general strengths and weaknesses of the squad and learnt it’s not suited for his style. Then comes the other end of that conversation where he’s told we can’t afford to splurge and he’d have to make do with what he’s got for a while. We’ll get a clue in January but i feel a lot of us, myself included at times, are moving the goalposts for him because we’re so desperate for him to be the one.
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He's inherited a pile of turd, he hasn't had much time on the training field and he hasnt had his own transfer window.
 
Cheimoon said:
Various posters are already suggesting Amorim should be sacked, or otherwise have given up on him already.
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Unbelievable.

The guy's just got here and look at the utter shite he's inherited.

Not his fault at all. He needs time.
 
always_hoping said:
Amorim's 10 games in charge W4 D1 L5

Goals scored 17
Goals conceded 19
Shots on goal 145
Shots on target 51
Opposition shots on goal 102
Oppossition Shots on target 41
Possession - average per game 59%)


Last ten games for Ten Hag as United manager W3 D5 L2

Goals Scored 18
Goals conceded 11
Shots on goal 183
Shots on Target 77
Opposition shots on goal 104
Opposition shots on target 39
Possession average per game 54%

Make of that what you will..
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Seen some seriously stupid posts today. Out of those 18 goals scored under Ten Hag 10 goals were scored in the first 2 against Soton and Barnsley. You got to take everything into account before comparing. Not just randomly compare apples to oranges.
 
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How bad was the situation at sporting before he turned it around?
 
Apres Match Frank said:
You don't get time to be a slave to a system in the Premier League unless you're Pep Guardiola. Results and reality take over and the pressure mounts. You need to adapt, muddle through and get results on the job while drilling your system behind the scenes. A football club isn't a lab, it's a living, breathing organism existing in a brutal environment.

It might be grand at a club like Sporting Lisbon to take your time instilling a system, the pressure isn't as great and the opposition isn't as competitive. It isn't grand at Manchester United. The reality is that Manchester United have now lost 2-0 at Wolves - that's Wolves who are in the relegation zone and who have just sacked their manager and replaced him with a fella plucked from Saudi Arabia, on top of a 3-0 home defeat to Bournemouth. These are only the latest in a string of piss poor performances under the new manager.

That isn't good enough.

Klopp at Liverpool was a systems manager and he had some bad setbacks in the early part of his tenure - progress never runs in straight lines - but he got results and performances early to indicate there was a solid basis for optimism. No such basis has yet emerged for Manchester United under Amorim.

Honeymoons don't last long.
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I agree with every word here. This isn't about writing off the manager, but understanding that performances and results actually do matter at this club, no matter how soon or long a manager has been through the door.
 
Shark said:
I agree with every word here. This isn't about writing off the manager, but understanding that performances and results actually do matter at this club, no matter how soon or long you're in the door as the manager.
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So much castastrophising going on
 
Wont go down well here but to be honest dont really see it in him. Dont think he’ll turn into anything here. His name will join the other headstones we create here. Havent even got a new manager bounce. Thats my opinion.

Still just look not that great on the pitch and get turned over more often than not.

Same set of commentary starting as with every other manager we’ve had recently though - people looking for positives in defeats and dreaming of this evolution that will happen at some point in the future. Already talking about how all the players are garbage (though when signed previously lots of them were seen as final pieces). He’s already got a free check because he will need loads of signings and about 3 years is the general consensus. Just like the rest. Starting the next lap of the infinity loop we are stuck in
 
Players dom't really seem to be responding to him, that is the worst thing.

Don't see a team where the players are looking to carry out what the manager has told them, because it really looks like nothing.

I do think we look better when we are chasing the game.
 
Wilt said:
Probably the worse start of any Utd manager I can think of, but I fully support him.

The rot is set so deep it’ll take Ruben at least 3 windows.
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Surly he can jump out of just one window and escape.
 
Jezpeza said:
Wont go down well here but to be honest dont really see it in him. Dont think he’ll turn into anything here. His name will join the other headstones we create here. Havent even got a new manager bounce. Thats my opinion.

Still just look not that great on the pitch and get turned over more often than not.

Same set of commentary starting as with every other manager we’ve had recently though - people looking for positives in defeats and dreaming of this evolution that will happen at some point in the future. Already talking about how all the players are garbage (though when signed previously lots of them were seen as final pieces). He’s already got a free check because he will need loads of signings and about 3 years is the general consensus. Just like the rest. Starting the next lap of the infinity loop we are stuck in
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Well with every manager you bring in you have to back them? You can’t just bring them in and be like only work with what you’ve got. Even Fergie and Pep will struggle this shite.
 
RDCR07 said:
Seen some seriously stupid posts today. Out of those 18 goals scored under Ten Hag 10 goals were scored in the first 2 against Soton and Barnsley.
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Goals scored are only one of the above stats and if you are to be selective United Lost this evening without scoring against Wolves side that will be lucky to stay up and only drew scored 1 goal against 19th placed Ipswich.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Players dom't really seem to be responding to him, that is the worst thing.

Don't see a team where the players are looking to carry out what the manager has told them, because it really looks like nothing.

I do think we look better when we are chasing the game.
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Deflated probably. They need a lift from new signings too.
 
RDCR07 said:
@Sly
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We hadn't won the league in 20 years, the club was in disarray and ultras beat up some players. He finished 4th the year he took over the team. First full year with preseason we won the league.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Unbelievable.

The guy's just got here and look at the utter shite he's inherited.

Not his fault at all. He needs time.
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Tbf there were people saying give ETH time until the day he was sacked. He inherited a squad of shit too and changed them all out for £600m of more shit. The time=success falllacy needs adressing really.
 
Jezpeza said:
Wont go down well here but to be honest dont really see it in him. Dont think he’ll turn into anything here. His name will join the other headstones we create here. Havent even got a new manager bounce. Thats my opinion.

Still just look not that great on the pitch and get turned over more often than not.

Same set of commentary starting as with every other manager we’ve had recently though - people looking for positives in defeats and dreaming of this evolution that will happen at some point in the future. Already talking about how all the players are garbage (though when signed previously lots of them were seen as final pieces). He’s already got a free check because he will need loads of signings and about 3 years is the general consensus. Just like the rest. Starting the next lap of the infinity loop we are stuck in
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Unfortunately they trusted the bald dumbass to assemble “his team” for “his system” and he couldn’t produce feck all. We are set back because of him, he paid 90m for Antony, 70m for Hojlunf, and whatever else he spent for strikers that can’t score! That is our number one problem at the moment.

If we had a striker that could score half the chances we created all the haters would be saying how great he is. Unfortunately he’s inherited a load of shit players that also dont seem to care at the moment.
 
always_hoping said:
Goals scored are only one of the above stats and if you are to be selective United Lost this evening without scoring against Wolves side that will be lucky to stay up and only drew scored 1 goal against 19th placed Ipswich.
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But they have Vítor Pereira now who is a solid manager and not Gary O'Neill. Wolves has a decent squad, they were underachieving with their previous crap manager.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
The vast majority of us can fully agree that this squad is full of shit. On the other hand would a top drawer manager, which supposedly Ruben is, be able to stop the spiral and drag this team into the top half? We know the answer to that as well.

I’m not writing him off but I would like to know what kind of conversations were happening during the hiring process. Until a manager works with a squad they don’t know the full extent but being a professional as he is, he’d have studied the general strengths and weaknesses of the squad and learnt it’s not suited for his style. Then comes the other end of that conversation where he’s told we can’t afford to splurge and he’d have to make do with what he’s got for a while. We’ll get a clue in January but i feel a lot of us, myself included at times, are moving the goalposts for him because we’re so desperate for him to be the one.
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There is a reason why we sacked Ten Hag and there is also a reason why Ten Hag failed. You can't cry about shit recruitment, to the extent of firing the manager and possibly the Sporting Director, then act shocked when that team collapses. So we can't say we shifting goalposts for Amorim when we know the club just sank 600m into a manager who had poor talent ID.

Where I blame Amorim a bit, is that he has closed the avenue for youth selection, maybe temporarily, but Dalot, Hoijlund, Onana and Zirkzee then Bruno and Mainoo to a less extent are dragging the team down. What would it cost Amorim to try Dan Gore/Collyer, Wheatley and Amass? We can't keep playing the same players, lose and not then not hold them accountable whilst also denying the opportunity to some who would take it with both hands and run through brickwalls for him.
 
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