Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Exiled_Red said:
Prime SAF could step in today and not get a tune out of this team. To call for a managers head after a month having had no preseason, no transfer window, and a squad of overpaid, underperforming players is insanity. Fans like you are a problem. Expect immediate results without a dose of reality.

I’d give Amorim two full seasons and wouldn’t even consider sacking unless we flirt with relegation. The overhaul needed is that massive and the quicker fans come to understand that, the better. In a best case scenario, we would be challenging for major trophies in 3 years. Best case.
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I have actually become like this only recently, after seeing United act differently to all other big clubs and concluding that there is a good reason why other clubs act the way they do with their managers.

None of the United managers post SAF bar Mourinho would have lasted as long as they did in any other top club.
 
simonhch said:
Doing a huge tactical and approach change, as well as a cultural reboot, mid-season, was always going to be difficult; with a ton of teething problems and road bumps. Have to stay the course, not panic, make sensible decisions in January and slowly build. This season is probably a write off but we shouldn’t acquiesce to that sentiment just yet. Just take one game at a time and keep working.

This was always going to be a very difficult transition. No point mouth frothing, pushing panic buttons, losing our shit, because this is going to take some time. Let’s get through January, the rest of the season, and the summer and then have a proper look at where we are under the new coach next season. Decades of rot and terrible recruitment aren’t going to be erased in a few of months.

Ugarte and De Ligt look quality signings to me, who will need time to show their best. Yoro is a long term signing and one to be excited about. Mazroui is a good all round player and a great, versatile squad option. Zirkzee has been poor so far. We have some great young players in Mainoo, Amad and Hojlund. Who will all need time. Predictably Mainoo is being written off and scapegoated by some already, which is even faster than I predicted. It’s all just knee jerk.

We have to do the work, stay the course and see where we are next season. This season is about building familiarity in the new system, adjusting standards and expectations. Results will come.
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Completely agree this was going to be difficult. The question is what is the cost benefit?
If we don't improve, the atmosphere turns toxic, Amorim loses the players, and we have no Europe next year (and PSR bites us) we will be starting from an even worse position next year.
And how many of the current squad will be getting significant minutes for us in a couple of years anyway?
 
TheReligion said:
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This hyperbole is quite annoying. Jose dropped Pogba, Ten Hag kicked out Ronaldo and Sancho. What decisions is Amorim about to make that no previous manager has done before? Getting rid of a star player is nothing new.

It's similar to the discourse about how now we are actually creating attacks under Amorim when we had a similarly high XG under Ten Hag this season. The guy isn't a miracle worker and only time will tell whether he is a good manager. We could very well be here end of next season with a portion of the fanbase saying he is clueless, inexperienced etc.
 
There is no way Ineos brought in Amorim knowing fine well his set up doesn't suit a lot of these players then saying you know what, this isn't working we'll get someone else.

His is their man and I fully expect them to stay the course(barring relegation which isn't happening).PSR/FFP allowing, they will back him to move on whoever he sees fit(poster boy Rashford included) and bring in players he wants and i for one welcome that, for far too long the players have got away with it, not anymore it seems.I'm convinced he will make us better but as we are finding out its a tough ride and incredibly frustrating to watch us self destruct every single game.
 
frostbite said:
He doesn't have much experience in the Premier League.

Can he learn fast? Can he adapt?

Who knows?... I guess we'll find out.


(I hope that he does, but it is not guaranteed. A lot of managers did well in other leagues but failed in the PL.)
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How many of the great recent prem managers had previous experience in the league? Pep? Klopp? Slot? Tuchel? Conte? Iraola?
 
This club is beyond redemption and it's worrying. How do we talk about sacking a manager six weeks into a job and when we can pin point the people responsible for the errors that are costing us games? Why are we losing perspective when we have known for years that we rely on players that aren't as good as we would like or as they would like to think?

The manager is being thrown under the bus and we are, once again, joining in on the hit job. Any manager that has ever asked for more hard work from this lot has suffered the same fate. We need to stand by this one, obviously Newcastle and Liverpool on the way we need to look away and start healing after this miserable stretch.

I said it before and I am going to say it now, Amorim will be sacked if he doesn't start to introduce a couple of young players into the side. Dalot is hopeless in attack and defense on the left, play Amass. Get Casemiro in alongside Ugarte and shore up the team, he can at least help on the set pieces. Drop Bruno until he adjusts his attitude or fecks off like Rashford intends to.

If he doesn't start integrating youth, he won't get enough players in January and he will be off before May. He needs about 5 or 6 players, we don't have the money to fund such an outlay midseason?
 
I wish I had a job where I could say look at how bad I'm going to be. Turns out I'm correctly terrible and get complimented. All he's done is play one less attacker when we can't score. I'll give him some leeway but he's been awful so far and anyone who's saying he hasn't is living in cuckoo-land
 
Manager vs Players

Both things can be true: 1) the players are mediocre, and 2) the manager is also mediocre.

In my opinion, when discussing a manager, we should not focus on the players, the main questions should be:

- What does this manager bring to the table?
- Does this manager make these players play better as a group than their individual abilities?

It is not automatic that the manager is great, or that the manager is doing the right thing, or that sticking with a random manager for a long time will eventually bring success. If the manager does not bring anything great to the table or if the manager cannot make these players play better as a group, then the right thing is to sack the manager, not replace 25 players (that's not realistic).

It is still very early for Amorim, he has time to adapt. But if we have learned anything from the Ten Hag debacle it should be that the longer you stick with the wrong manager, the greater the damage he causes.
 
it will be interesting to see how he will react and behave after all these beatings. we need to remember he's very young and only got in management couple of years ago. he managed Sporting since 2020. and won two league titles there, meaning, life has been good to him so far.

he looked confident when he was signing for us, but I bet the squad is nothing like he imagined it would be.

he probably still thinks Hojlund is just part of the prank and our real striker is hiding somewhere.
 
This is our top earners. Imagine getting rid of them. That would not impact our ability on the field at all. Only one is playing and he is mostly moaning and getting sent off.

The money saved each week would be staggering and totally transformative. We could almost give em away since the minutes they are contributing is zero.

Casimero - 350k
Bruno - 300k
Rashford - 300k
Mount - 250k
Antony - 200k

Giving Amorim that budget would be to give him a proper chance.
 
Fts 74 said:
There is no way Ineos brought in Amorim knowing fine well his set up doesn't suit a lot of these players then saying you know what, this isn't working we'll get someone else.

His is their man and I fully expect them to stay the course(barring relegation which isn't happening).PSR/FFP allowing, they will back him to move on whoever he sees fit(poster boy Rashford included) and bring in players he wants and i for one welcome that, for far too long the players have got away with it, not anymore it seems.I'm convinced he will make us better but as we are finding out its a tough ride and incredibly frustrating to watch us self destruct every single game.
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Absolutely. Well he’s actually Berrada’s man by all accounts but INEOS are clearly behind it.
 
jem said:
How many of the great recent prem managers had previous experience in the league? Pep? Klopp? Slot? Tuchel? Conte? Iraola?
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Some people can adapt quickly, some people cannot. That's true for any job.

And it is especially important for a manager, ie someone who is the boss for a group of people.
 
It's an athleticism issue too. The club as usual is far behind the current trends. Probably one of the least physical and athletic build squads in the league. I reckon they'd look out of breath and sloppy playing against Sassuolo in Serie B
 
All the hysterical ninnies are back out in full force again today I see. I do wonder how some of ye get through a regular day in the real world.
 
Things are looking grim indeed, and the new manager bounce seems to have passed us by.

There's a lot of deadwood that needs to be cleared out before we can expect any proper progress. I hope he will be backed and given enough time to implement the right players for his system. We need to be patient, no matter how painful it is.
 
For the first time it seems a manager is building from the ground up. I give him another 1 or 2 seasons. Look at Klopp or any other manager who took over a team where there was so much wrong. People dont understand how the mess is we are in
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Bore off lad!
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RDCR07 said:
What a ridiculous post! You do know we don’t have Ten Hag in charge right cause this aptly describes him.
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Red_toad said:
More? As he's not signed a single player, who one of the none were average?
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UnitedSofa said:
What?!?
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jem said:
What average players has he brought in?
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onemanarmy said:
Ridiculous.
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how did you not understand that point?
'more average players' referring to what we already have. Amorim will just dip into the network he is familiar with and buy 'more average players'.

This club isn't going to get better players than the likes of Fernandes, Ugarte, de ligt and Martinez (they are not average. If a manager can't get something out of these type of players, he will never be good enough and the excuse of 'i need to sign players who fit into my system' is just cope.

I've got no doubt Amorim is just another failure..and there's nothing unsophisticared in admitting it.
 
The word patience has suffering as a root meaning. How hard can it be to just keep still for a while and let the man work?
So many posters are so fecking confused, it is mind boggling.
I bet they voted to keep Ten Hag after 18 months of obvious and nauseating deterioration and head-scratchingly nonsensical tactics, because we won a final, but they lose their shit after 2 months of Amorim because we are losing a few games.
 
frostbite said:
Some people can adapt quickly, some people cannot. That's true for any job.

And it is especially important for a manager, ie someone who is the boss for a group of people.
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But if adapting quickly means band-aid solutions that flatter to deceive and get us up to say 8th, then I’d rather he stick to his principles, we take the short-term pain, and hopefully a hard-working team with an identity emerges at the end of it all.
 
alanjohnson said:
how did you not understand that point?
'more average players' referring to what we already have. Amorim will just dip into the network he is familiar with and buy 'more average players'.

This club isn't going to get better players than the likes of Fernandes, Ugarte, de ligt and Martinez (they are not average. If a manager can't get something out of these type of players, he will never be good enough and the excuse of 'i need to sign players who fit into my system' is just cope.

I've got no doubt Amorim is just another failure..and there's nothing unsophisticared in admitting it.
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This "buying average players" thing is a fallacy. We need solid, reliable players who are suitable for their roles.

Look at how Amorim had Sporting playing and how they started the Citeh collapse. I bet you'd go through their XI and say that most "aren't good enough for Utd" but I bet that team would piss all over this team at the moment.
 
FortunaUtd said:
The word patience has suffering as a root meaning. How hard can it be to just keep still for a while and let the man work?
So many posters are so fecking confused, it is mind boggling.
I bet they voted to keep Ten Hag after 18 months of obvious and nauseating deterioration and head-scratchingly nonsensical tactics, because we won a final, but they lose their shit after 2 months of Amorim because we are losing a few games.
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Exactly. And full disclosure: I got caught up in the post FA Cup euphoria and wanted ETH to stay. I couldn’t have been more misguided
 
Sarni said:
So we are a lot worse than what? Than we were last week?
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Than before he came. There's positives in possession and some XG stats, but a big part is because of the system. We are currently conceding a feck ton, and our attacks are even more disjointed.

This isnt me saying Im against him by the way, careful that you dont spin a narrative on me here. As I have said many times on this thread, hel get it right. But its not contraversial to say we are shit right now and he needs to implement some very doable quick wins, such as defending set pieces (we were not this shit at them before he came).
 
I think Amorim will suffer the same fate as ETH. He doesn’t deserve it but it will happen as we keep losing. Our players are mentally fragile and part of it could be down to the constant churn of managers. I don’t believe a player like Martinez for example could become so poor all of a sudden even in a tactical system change. It doesn’t compute.

I strongly believe we will flirt with relegation this season but hopefully this pain will lead to something in the future.
 
alanjohnson said:
how did you not understand that point?
'more average players' referring to what we already have. Amorim will just dip into the network he is familiar with and buy 'more average players'.

This club isn't going to get better players than the likes of Fernandes, Ugarte, de ligt and Martinez (they are not average. If a manager can't get something out of these type of players, he will never be good enough and the excuse of 'i need to sign players who fit into my system' is just cope.

I've got no doubt Amorim is just another failure..and there's nothing unsophisticared in admitting it.
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He's been here for less than 2 months and you are already sure he is going to fail? Give him a proper pre-season as well as a transfer window to improve the squad to his style and judge him after that.
 


Very last question. Wow, fair play. He's definitely making a statement and maybe Rashford will be bit of a scapegoat but someday we will have to address it, which it seems to be now.
 
DRJosh said:
I think Amorim will suffer the same fate as ETH. He doesn’t deserve it but it will happen as we keep losing. Our players are mentally fragile and part of it could be down to the constant churn of managers. I don’t believe a player like Martinez for example could become so poor all of a sudden even in a tactical system change. It doesn’t compute.

I strongly believe we will flirt with relegation this season but hopefully this pain will lead to something in the future.
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He just arrived ffs and took over a crap team full of lazy idiots
 
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