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I’m worried he’s too young and won’t command authority. We’ve seen this group of players time and time again get sick of the manager and get them sacked. Then all is rosey again for abit under a new manager. Rinse and repeat.
The only managers I can think this didn’t happen with was Moyes and Rangnick - who never had the respect of the players in the first place.
What does this guy have to reassure us this won’t happen again?
Since March 2020, when Amorim took charge, Sporting have the highest win percentage of any team across Europe's top 10 leagues (77% - 120 wins out of 156 gamesYeah its weird how they say they're gonna be ruthless if someone isn't performing but do the exact opposite and keep playing the shite. I read that he's done this too so that's the only doubt I have.
Other than that. Welcome you sexy bastard!
Nooooo! ‘This group of players’ is actually radically different now from that of Ole and Jose. It’s too lazy to assume that. Nobody is deliberately getting anyone fired.I’m worried he’s too young and won’t command authority. We’ve seen this group of players time and time again get sick of the manager and get them sacked. Then all is rosey again for abit under a new manager. Rinse and repeat.
The only managers I can think this didn’t happen with was Moyes and Rangnick - who never had the respect of the players in the first place.
What does this guy have to reassure us this won’t happen again?
Beard is bestWe win the next two under bearded Ruud we could be in a title race under bearded Ruben
Weird agenda. Not going to happen.Aside from nationality they have no ties to each other, so I'm hoping he has no issues getting Bruno out of the first 11 or the club if he doesn't fit his system or his poor form continues.
I’m worried he’s too young and won’t command authority. We’ve seen this group of players time and time again get sick of the manager and get them sacked. Then all is rosey again for abit under a new manager. Rinse and repeat.
The only managers I can think this didn’t happen with was Moyes and Rangnick - who never had the respect of the players in the first place.
What does this guy have to reassure us this won’t happen again?
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Hello guys.
I'm a Sporting fan and I thought I might as well give you a little insight about Ruben's qualities and system.
First of all, the qualities: the guy is a phenomenal manager, for me one of the best coaches in Europe. You might laugh reading this, but forget the context (portuguese league), the curriculum (the titles he won in Portugal), all that. I don't say this because he won a lot in Portugal, i say this because of the way he develops and structures a team. And also because of the way he communicates, so clear and with such charisma that the fans will love them and the players will "buy" every single aspect of his idea. Because he is direct, clear, smart, it's easy to believe him. And that goes to the locker room as well.
I haven't seen many coaches with such a fingerprint, so clear and definied, as his on a team. You saw Sporting playing one week, and if you saw it the week before, and 2 weeks before, and 3 weeks before, you could the see pretty much the same. The tactical patterns are so clear, so well-worked and so structured that you see team's intentions - the construction from behind, the movements off the ball from the players and the paths used to get to the goal - repeatedly. He got to a point where Sporting fans pretty much knew what to expect before each game, and were confident with what they would see in the following game: such a dominance and tactical supremacy that everyone was calm and relaxed about the game before it started.
Of course, context matters, but I've seen many, many coaches in this context. Some have won as much as him (none in Sporting, and that's not a detail I would say), some have had good win percentagens, but very very few had this control over the game, the tactics. This year and last year, the impression one had was that the team would play exactly the same if all the players were blindfolded. It was so mechanized, so developed and for the players the proposal was so clear that the adjective I would is use fluid - every move, every action, every collective intent was so fluid.
In terms of the system, I would say:
Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
The wing backs - Ruben had success with good offensive full-backs playing as wing-back, such as Porro and Nuno Mendes. But over the years, the system evolved so that the characteristics of the guys playing here changed. He started favouring "pure dribblers" here: normally small guys, but very fast, very good on the gear change and acceleration and specially (essential) very good 1x1 offensive skills. Guys like Diallo (on the right) and Garnacho (on the left), I would say, would play in these positions. Because everyone, from the midlefield to the attack, plays so much in central roles, these guys seem "abandoned" on the wing. It's on purpose: suddenly a colleague passes the ball on the wing and these guys have to have the shamelessness and technical and physical skills to crush the full-back 1x1.
Midlefield - Two guys, nothing much to say about it. He has used different kind of defensive midlefields (Palhinha and Ugarte are very different from Hjulmand, who is a calm playmaker) and different kind of central midlefields (Morita is very different from Bragança, he used Joao Mario also, but also Matheus Nunes, who has very different characteristics from the former 3). What will they need? Class and quality with the ball - the rest, Ruben will work with them on positioning, movements and confidence. Ugarte will thrive with him, I'm sure (he already has in Sporting).
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
Attack - I personally believe Hojlund will thrive. Gyokeres is outstanding, but please don't take him away from us
Hope someone finds this insight helpful. Best to all!
So Liverpool weren’t willing to pay €10m to get him? Interesting.Portuguese newspaper A Bola reporting that the 2 clubs willing to pay Amorim's release clause were West Ham and Al Nassr.
Supposedely there was a shortlist of big clubs in Europe for whom the release clause was 10M€. For everybody else, it was 20 million.
Al Nassr were offering 20 million € per year to Amorim. About 3 times as much as Man Utd is going to.
https://www.abola.pt/futebol/notici...-bater-clausula-de-amorim-2024110221595927373
Great post, thanks for sharing!
My worry with starting Garnacho and Amad at wing back is that it might be too much to ask defensively while everyone is still adjusting to a new system, so I can see a more defensively minded player like Dalot starting in one of those positions. I'm also concerned that our players might not be the best at adjusting to a new system in general. I'm hoping we at least see some more entertaining matches, and I do expect we'll start scoring more soon, but I think the defensive part is going to take a lot longer to click. Our players don't seem to be able to press very well, for example and our midfield has often been very porous. How much of this was due to our previous manager is up for debate, but from what I've seen it takes quite a lot of footballing intelligence and discipline to play Amorim's system, as well as some specific attributes in certain positions, and I think our squad is currently somewhat lacking in both of these, regardless of how poor ETH managed us. I am excited by the appointment but I am equally wary as I have been disappointed too many times after being hyped when we sign a new manager. I hope our new recruitment team are working more competently than what we've seen in recent years and are working with enough long term vision to equip him with what he needs, because I foresee quite a few of our current players not working out, although I bet it ends up being different players than I think!
I don't think it will pan out that way unless he comes in and shows loyalty to the usual suspects. If he approaches things with an open mind we have a number of interesting players that can do a job in his system, Antony can be a good wingback if he puts his mind to it, Dalot and Mazraoui are a shoe-in on the right, we have enough CBs to conjure up a competent trio and numbers with usable quality to have a midfield.Curious to see how much patience have for him. He's coming in at an awkward time and I don't think we have the players for his system or style for that matter. January is always a tricky window to deal with so I won't expect too much happening (and we've got some ffp issues aswell?). I predict people on here will turn on him in 6 to 9 months and we'll have the first thread with an in or out vote.
Liverpool apparently were hesitant due to the 343 so they went with Slot insteadSo Liverpool weren’t willing to pay €10m to get him? Interesting.
He was a fraud in my opinion too.Fraud is such a daft word choice to use and just comes across childishly aggressive, to be honest. It didn’t work out, he tried and everyone tried. It’s over, let go of the rage.
I dislike Bruno when he is in low form, he is then petulant, whiny, makes tonnes of rash decisions and messes up the team's game with his hero football, however, when he is in top form, he is the best we have, so we should hope that Amorim gets him to perform, because we need an in-form Bruno.For some reason, I'd always assumed that he managed Bruno at Sporting so was already unsettled that Bruno might be a favourite of Amorim. Turns out he never managed him and only coached a team against Bruno once, winning the game 2-1.
Aside from nationality they have no ties to each other, so I'm hoping he has no issues getting Bruno out of the first 11 or the club if he doesn't fit his system or his poor form continues.
When ETH joined, Bruno, Rashford, Shaw and a few others still had a lot of goodwill at the club so they had to be part of the team. Right now, there isn't a single player in the side that has earned the right to feel like they have to be in the team so Amorim has more leverage to drop anyone in the side if he feels the need to.
After Ten Hag basically tried to turn our club into Ajax Northwest, it'll be interesting to see if this new manager falls into the same sort of tunnel vision and just tries to recruit half of his former players.
Love it.We can't have any more transfers this season due to Amorimzation.
Badum-tss.
Agreed, and honestly you could just as easily make the equally silly argument that these players kept 4 managers in the job too long.It's just another way to hate on Rashford I always feel. Like 18 year old Rashford was influential enough to get Van Gaal sacked and was nothing to do with Van Gaal's terrible football and sixth place finish?
Jose got himself sacked, Ole in my view was sacked too soon going through his first poor patch and Rangnick plus Carrick were interim managers.
Even Ten Hag's only good league season was on the back of Rashford's goals.
As for Shaw he's just injury prone there's nothing that can be done there is not a case of him downing tools and Lindelof and Maguire always do their best when played.
There's no United manager can honestly turn round and say it was the players stopped playing that got them sacked.
How so? Their needs were different from ours. Slot probably ticked more boxes than Amorim in terms of what they were looking for and I'd say based on current results they made the right move.So Liverpool weren’t willing to pay €10m to get him? Interesting.
Great post! Thanks for taking the time to share your insight, you have got me really excited about our new manager.Hello guys.
I'm a Sporting fan and I thought I might as well give you a little insight about Ruben's qualities and system.
First of all, the qualities: the guy is a phenomenal manager, for me one of the best coaches in Europe. You might laugh reading this, but forget the context (portuguese league), the curriculum (the titles he won in Portugal), all that. I don't say this because he won a lot in Portugal, i say this because of the way he develops and structures a team. And also because of the way he communicates, so clear and with such charisma that the fans will love them and the players will "buy" every single aspect of his idea. Because he is direct, clear, smart, it's easy to believe him. And that goes to the locker room as well.
I haven't seen many coaches with such a fingerprint, so clear and definied, as his on a team. You saw Sporting playing one week, and if you saw it the week before, and 2 weeks before, and 3 weeks before, you could the see pretty much the same. The tactical patterns are so clear, so well-worked and so structured that you see team's intentions - the construction from behind, the movements off the ball from the players and the paths used to get to the goal - repeatedly. He got to a point where Sporting fans pretty much knew what to expect before each game, and were confident with what they would see in the following game: such a dominance and tactical supremacy that everyone was calm and relaxed about the game before it started.
Of course, context matters, but I've seen many, many coaches in this context. Some have won as much as him (none in Sporting, and that's not a detail I would say), some have had good win percentagens, but very very few had this control over the game, the tactics. This year and last year, the impression one had was that the team would play exactly the same if all the players were blindfolded. It was so mechanized, so developed and for the players the proposal was so clear that the adjective I would is use fluid - every move, every action, every collective intent was so fluid.
In terms of the system, I would say:
Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
The wing backs - Ruben had success with good offensive full-backs playing as wing-back, such as Porro and Nuno Mendes. But over the years, the system evolved so that the characteristics of the guys playing here changed. He started favouring "pure dribblers" here: normally small guys, but very fast, very good on the gear change and acceleration and specially (essential) very good 1x1 offensive skills. Guys like Diallo (on the right) and Garnacho (on the left), I would say, would play in these positions. Because everyone, from the midlefield to the attack, plays so much in central roles, these guys seem "abandoned" on the wing. It's on purpose: suddenly a colleague passes the ball on the wing and these guys have to have the shamelessness and technical and physical skills to crush the full-back 1x1.
Midlefield - Two guys, nothing much to say about it. He has used different kind of defensive midlefields (Palhinha and Ugarte are very different from Hjulmand, who is a calm playmaker) and different kind of central midlefields (Morita is very different from Bragança, he used Joao Mario also, but also Matheus Nunes, who has very different characteristics from the former 3). What will they need? Class and quality with the ball - the rest, Ruben will work with them on positioning, movements and confidence. Ugarte will thrive with him, I'm sure (he already has in Sporting).
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
Attack - I personally believe Hojlund will thrive. Gyokeres is outstanding, but please don't take him away from us
Hope someone finds this insight helpful. Best to all!
my eyes hurtThat outfit is a crime against humanity
Poor Amorim refused a life of wealth with Al Nassr to come here and help a struggling Manchester United, on much lower wage.Portuguese newspaper A Bola reporting that the 2 clubs willing to pay Amorim's release clause were West Ham and Al Nassr.
Supposedely there was a shortlist of big clubs in Europe for whom the release clause was 10M€. For everybody else, it was 20 million.
Al Nassr were offering 20 million € per year to Amorim. About 3 times as much as Man Utd is going to.
https://www.abola.pt/futebol/notici...-bater-clausula-de-amorim-2024110221595927373
Thanks for that. Great post, you answered a couple of the questions I had about his system.Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
It's just another way to hate on Rashford I always feel. Like 18 year old Rashford was influential enough to get Van Gaal sacked and was nothing to do with Van Gaal's terrible football and sixth place finish?
Jose got himself sacked, Ole in my view was sacked too soon going through his first poor patch and Rangnick plus Carrick were interim managers.
Even Ten Hag's only good league season was on the back of Rashford's goals.
As for Shaw he's just injury prone there's nothing that can be done there is not a case of him downing tools and Lindelof and Maguire always do their best when played.
There's no United manager can honestly turn round and say it was the players stopped playing that got them sacked.
Thank you for this good post. Concerning Amorim, I never saw such unanimity about how great he is from the fans of his previous club.Hello guys.
I'm a Sporting fan and I thought I might as well give you a little insight about Ruben's qualities and system.
First of all, the qualities: the guy is a phenomenal manager, for me one of the best coaches in Europe. You might laugh reading this, but forget the context (portuguese league), the curriculum (the titles he won in Portugal), all that. I don't say this because he won a lot in Portugal, i say this because of the way he develops and structures a team. And also because of the way he communicates, so clear and with such charisma that the fans will love them and the players will "buy" every single aspect of his idea. Because he is direct, clear, smart, it's easy to believe him. And that goes to the locker room as well.
I haven't seen many coaches with such a fingerprint, so clear and definied, as his on a team. You saw Sporting playing one week, and if you saw it the week before, and 2 weeks before, and 3 weeks before, you could the see pretty much the same. The tactical patterns are so clear, so well-worked and so structured that you see team's intentions - the construction from behind, the movements off the ball from the players and the paths used to get to the goal - repeatedly. He got to a point where Sporting fans pretty much knew what to expect before each game, and were confident with what they would see in the following game: such a dominance and tactical supremacy that everyone was calm and relaxed about the game before it started.
Of course, context matters, but I've seen many, many coaches in this context. Some have won as much as him (none in Sporting, and that's not a detail I would say), some have had good win percentagens, but very very few had this control over the game, the tactics. This year and last year, the impression one had was that the team would play exactly the same if all the players were blindfolded. It was so mechanized, so developed and for the players the proposal was so clear that the adjective I would is use fluid - every move, every action, every collective intent was so fluid.
In terms of the system, I would say:
Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
The wing backs - Ruben had success with good offensive full-backs playing as wing-back, such as Porro and Nuno Mendes. But over the years, the system evolved so that the characteristics of the guys playing here changed. He started favouring "pure dribblers" here: normally small guys, but very fast, very good on the gear change and acceleration and specially (essential) very good 1x1 offensive skills. Guys like Diallo (on the right) and Garnacho (on the left), I would say, would play in these positions. Because everyone, from the midlefield to the attack, plays so much in central roles, these guys seem "abandoned" on the wing. It's on purpose: suddenly a colleague passes the ball on the wing and these guys have to have the shamelessness and technical and physical skills to crush the full-back 1x1.
Midlefield - Two guys, nothing much to say about it. He has used different kind of defensive midlefields (Palhinha and Ugarte are very different from Hjulmand, who is a calm playmaker) and different kind of central midlefields (Morita is very different from Bragança, he used Joao Mario also, but also Matheus Nunes, who has very different characteristics from the former 3). What will they need? Class and quality with the ball - the rest, Ruben will work with them on positioning, movements and confidence. Ugarte will thrive with him, I'm sure (he already has in Sporting).
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
Attack - I personally believe Hojlund will thrive. Gyokeres is outstanding, but please don't take him away from us
Hope someone finds this insight helpful. Best to all!
Either way it’s working out pretty well for them.Miguel Delaney and others now saying the dippers turned down Amorim for Slott. I thought at the time Amorim turned down the dippers and they were being butthurt?
For some reason, I'd always assumed that he managed Bruno at Sporting so was already unsettled that Bruno might be a favourite of Amorim. Turns out he never managed him and only coached a team against Bruno once, winning the game 2-1.
Aside from nationality they have no ties to each other, so I'm hoping he has no issues getting Bruno out of the first 11 or the club if he doesn't fit his system or his poor form continues.
When ETH joined, Bruno, Rashford, Shaw and a few others still had a lot of goodwill at the club so they had to be part of the team. Right now, there isn't a single player in the side that has earned the right to feel like they have to be in the team so Amorim has more leverage to drop anyone in the side if he feels the need to.
No we haven’t and I wish people would stop repeating this. ETH replaced 75% of the squad.I’m worried he’s too young and won’t command authority. We’ve seen this group of players time and time again get sick of the manager and get them sacked. Then all is rosey again for abit under a new manager. Rinse and repeat.
The only managers I can think this didn’t happen with was Moyes and Rangnick - who never had the respect of the players in the first place.
What does this guy have to reassure us this won’t happen again?
Yes, he is probably our best player even if he wasn’t in his greatest form lately. But some prefer Amad for some reason while he didn’t show much. But hey, potential and all that. And it’s not a way to dismiss Amad.I guarantee you Bruno will be a part of his plans and it has nothing to do with nationality. He is a top quality footballer and almost any manager that we get would have Bruno as part of their plans.
It's absolute fantasy the people thinking he's going to be ousted from the club.