come on bro.Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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come on bro.And if anything though - Eriksen should have been additionally useful there. He both played for Ajax as well AND Id argue Tottenham played a style very similar to Ajax during Poch
What are they milking?
That was a long time ago. We could play like Ajax now.
Amazed that some still can't see he was a fraud. I reckon that'll be further proven over time too.
Fraud is such a daft word choice to use and just comes across childishly aggressive, to be honest. It didn’t work out, he tried and everyone tried. It’s over, let go of the rage.
No, I'll continue to call him as such. The guy was hired to play the Ajax way and he openly claimed that wasn't possible despite the club spending an absolute fortune. It's not up to you to dictate how others should feel about a managerial reign.
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Bournemouth 2 Cheats 1. They're panicking already.
Childishly is one word for it alright. A fraud doesn't win two trophies in two seasons for a club that hadnt won a trophy for six years.
As you say he's gone now time to move to the next manager. I'm not expecting any quick fix but in time hopefully this manager can win another few trophies and United become a consistent top four Premier league team again.
Apparently calling someone a fraud is cool these days. Everyone in football is called a fraud by someone. It is just weird and like you said, childish too.
Some posters on this site will call Amorim a fraud before Christmas too. Im certain off it.
This isn't the ETH appreciation thread though. Maybe the word fraud runs people up the wrong way, so won't use it in future, but I'll maintain that he was taking the absolute piss claiming that United will never play like his Ajax team, and then proceed to serve up what he did on the pitch. Call it what you will, but I felt conned.
I can't post links, but there is a video called 'Why Man United had to sack Ten Hag' by 4-4-2 on YT, which pretty much sums up how far Onana regressed since signing from Inter. At Inter he was used as a ball playing, sweeper keeper. Check out his heat map for Inter vs his heat map here, last season. He's a shadow of the that player in Ten hag's set up.
Inter play a 3-5-2, Onana would often step into midfield and start attacks. Amorin with his 3-4-3 and defense playing high up the pitch, may just be the guy to bring the best out of Onana.
Maybe somebody else can share that video, thanks.
Inter play a 3-5-2, Onana would often step into midfield and start attacks. Amorin with his 3-4-3 and defense playing high up the pitch, may just be the guy to bring the best out of Onana.
Maybe somebody else can share that video, thanks.
Fraud is just the wrong term to use though.
Unless you think Ten Hag deliberately set out to deceive everyone by having his team play poorly so he could make a gain from it.
If you want a more modern, hip phrase to call him it's a serial gaslighter.
Because in every interview/press conference he tried to make anyone who questioned our form/defending/shots against etc look like an idiot and not intelligent enough to question him.
Also claiming we were showing clear signs of progression when we consistently showed the opposite.
Because in every interview/press conference he tried to make anyone who questioned our form/defending/shots against etc look like an idiot and not intelligent enough to question him.
Also claiming we were showing clear signs of progression when we consistently showed the opposite.
But at least they can't call him a you know what. Pep Guardiola will no longer be the idol of many. I'll almost miss that. Almost.
But you might disregard one important factor: while Hojlund is clearly a very talented player with room for improvement, Zirkzee is quite frankly just not very good
Yeah it would have been so much better if he was honest wouldn’t it? That would have gone so well.
Do you think saying he felt sorry for the journalists who called him on his bullshit improved his situation?
I dont see how looking incompetent and deluded is better than just looking incompetent.
I think he was someone in one of the most scrutinised jobs in the world trying to manage unbelievable pressures and stresses in the public eye that we can barely imagine.
Football journalists in this country are all cnuts, every single one of them. If you had them attacking you week in week out I’m sure you’d snap back at some point.
I really don’t think your vindictive obsession with him is in anyway healthy. He tried here and ultimately failed with two clear successes along the way. Time to move on.
I think so yes. 65m euro according to Transfermarkt
Paulinho at Sporting wasn't either. Amorim revived his career and Paulinho ended up becoming a cult hero at Sporting and even had his own chant.
On You Tube
Who will United keep and sell
How will United set up
Ruben Amorim: "It was now or never, I wanted to stay until the end of the season"
Man Utd crisis meetingPlus numerous pointless shorts from "head reporter" Kaveh Solehkol
Yep, I’m sure Joe Cole is ITK
There are no managers in the PL that are frauds.
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They are the same topics that get flogged to death on here tbf.
Hello guys.
I'm a Sporting fan and I thought I might as well give you a little insight about Ruben's qualities and system.
First of all, the qualities: the guy is a phenomenal manager, for me one of the best coaches in Europe. You might laugh reading this, but forget the context (portuguese league), the curriculum (the titles he won in Portugal), all that. I don't say this because he won a lot in Portugal, i say this because of the way he develops and structures a team. And also because of the way he communicates, so clear and with such charisma that the fans will love them and the players will "buy" every single aspect of his idea. Because he is direct, clear, smart, it's easy to believe him. And that goes to the locker room as well.
I haven't seen many coaches with such a fingerprint, so clear and definied, as his on a team. You saw Sporting playing one week, and if you saw it the week before, and 2 weeks before, and 3 weeks before, you could the see pretty much the same. The tactical patterns are so clear, so well-worked and so structured that you see team's intentions - the construction from behind, the movements off the ball from the players and the paths used to get to the goal - repeatedly. He got to a point where Sporting fans pretty much knew what to expect before each game, and were confident with what they would see in the following game: such a dominance and tactical supremacy that everyone was calm and relaxed about the game before it started.
Of course, context matters, but I've seen many, many coaches in this context. Some have won as much as him (none in Sporting, and that's not a detail I would say), some have had good win percentagens, but very very few had this control over the game, the tactics. This year and last year, the impression one had was that the team would play exactly the same if all the players were blindfolded. It was so mechanized, so developed and for the players the proposal was so clear that the adjective I would is use fluid - every move, every action, every collective intent was so fluid.
In terms of the system, I would say:
Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
The wing backs - Ruben had success with good offensive full-backs playing as wing-back, such as Porro and Nuno Mendes. But over the years, the system evolved so that the characteristics of the guys playing here changed. He started favouring "pure dribblers" here: normally small guys, but very fast, very good on the gear change and acceleration and specially (essential) very good 1x1 offensive skills. Guys like Diallo (on the right) and Garnacho (on the left), I would say, would play in these positions. Because everyone, from the midlefield to the attack, plays so much in central roles, these guys seem "abandoned" on the wing. It's on purpose: suddenly a colleague passes the ball on the wing and these guys have to have the shamelessness and technical and physical skills to crush the full-back 1x1.
Midlefield - Two guys, nothing much to say about it. He has used different kind of defensive midlefields (Palhinha and Ugarte are very different from Hjulmand, who is a calm playmaker) and different kind of central midlefields (Morita is very different from Bragança, he used Joao Mario also, but also Matheus Nunes, who has very different characteristics from the former 3). What will they need? Class and quality with the ball - the rest, Ruben will work with them on positioning, movements and confidence. Ugarte will thrive with him, I'm sure (he already has in Sporting).
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
Attack - I personally believe Hojlund will thrive. Gyokeres is outstanding, but please don't take him away from us
Hope someone finds this insight helpful. Best to all!
I'm a Sporting fan and I thought I might as well give you a little insight about Ruben's qualities and system.
First of all, the qualities: the guy is a phenomenal manager, for me one of the best coaches in Europe. You might laugh reading this, but forget the context (portuguese league), the curriculum (the titles he won in Portugal), all that. I don't say this because he won a lot in Portugal, i say this because of the way he develops and structures a team. And also because of the way he communicates, so clear and with such charisma that the fans will love them and the players will "buy" every single aspect of his idea. Because he is direct, clear, smart, it's easy to believe him. And that goes to the locker room as well.
I haven't seen many coaches with such a fingerprint, so clear and definied, as his on a team. You saw Sporting playing one week, and if you saw it the week before, and 2 weeks before, and 3 weeks before, you could the see pretty much the same. The tactical patterns are so clear, so well-worked and so structured that you see team's intentions - the construction from behind, the movements off the ball from the players and the paths used to get to the goal - repeatedly. He got to a point where Sporting fans pretty much knew what to expect before each game, and were confident with what they would see in the following game: such a dominance and tactical supremacy that everyone was calm and relaxed about the game before it started.
Of course, context matters, but I've seen many, many coaches in this context. Some have won as much as him (none in Sporting, and that's not a detail I would say), some have had good win percentagens, but very very few had this control over the game, the tactics. This year and last year, the impression one had was that the team would play exactly the same if all the players were blindfolded. It was so mechanized, so developed and for the players the proposal was so clear that the adjective I would is use fluid - every move, every action, every collective intent was so fluid.
In terms of the system, I would say:
Back three - This is how he always played. The center-back from the middle is someone who has to keep it simple. He has to have good control over the ball, he can't be sloppy and has to remain the calm and composure on the ball when he's pressed, but he has to pass it and play it simply. It's also important to have good aerial capabilities and be physically dominant. The center-backs from the sides have to do it a bit different. They have to have the best ball control possible, they have to feel confident and calm with the ball, be able to progress with it to open up spaces and create numerical advantages and they have to be able to keep doing good vertical passes. To say it simply, they have to be playmakers with the ball. I'm not sure about it's contractual situation, and its status currently on the team, but Lindelof would be a guy that could grow into a specific system like this. Dalot, also. Lisandro, I don't know - does he have the composure, creativity and vision with the ball to construct the plays from behind and for the team to be so "dependeable" on his playmaking with the ball? I guess we'll see.
The wing backs - Ruben had success with good offensive full-backs playing as wing-back, such as Porro and Nuno Mendes. But over the years, the system evolved so that the characteristics of the guys playing here changed. He started favouring "pure dribblers" here: normally small guys, but very fast, very good on the gear change and acceleration and specially (essential) very good 1x1 offensive skills. Guys like Diallo (on the right) and Garnacho (on the left), I would say, would play in these positions. Because everyone, from the midlefield to the attack, plays so much in central roles, these guys seem "abandoned" on the wing. It's on purpose: suddenly a colleague passes the ball on the wing and these guys have to have the shamelessness and technical and physical skills to crush the full-back 1x1.
Midlefield - Two guys, nothing much to say about it. He has used different kind of defensive midlefields (Palhinha and Ugarte are very different from Hjulmand, who is a calm playmaker) and different kind of central midlefields (Morita is very different from Bragança, he used Joao Mario also, but also Matheus Nunes, who has very different characteristics from the former 3). What will they need? Class and quality with the ball - the rest, Ruben will work with them on positioning, movements and confidence. Ugarte will thrive with him, I'm sure (he already has in Sporting).
Then, there's two essential positions, maybe the most important in his system: the "false wingers". They are not wingers, they play within the lines, in the interior areas, and they have to be a mix of a classical number 10 (with a great first touch, vision to assist and elegance) and a kind of interior winger (with dribble, gear chance, acceleration and capacity to finish and score). Check Trincao and Pote - those are the type of players that succeed in these system. Maybe Bruno can play here, with creative duties. But you'll also need a different type of player than Garnacho, Antony or Diallo, a guy comfortable with receiving the ball in interior areas, that great first touch and capacity to change the game and the attack with one/two touches. One example: Fatawu (Leicester) didn't thrive here because he was a player who liked to fix the oponent, wait and then trying to drible him. It has to be more "practical" players, with the quality, elegance and smartness to play well in central crowded spaces.
Attack - I personally believe Hojlund will thrive. Gyokeres is outstanding, but please don't take him away from us
Hope someone finds this insight helpful. Best to all!
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That outfit makes him look like a huge manatee.That outfit is a crime against humanity
The one the other huge manatees cast out.
He's referring to Amorim's comments...Yep, I’m sure Joe Cole is ITK
Now I realise it's not David Blane he reminds of but Danny Ricardo because he's always smiling.
United are on a different scale truly
Ruben said he “asked” Joe Cole says he “begged”Yep, I’m sure Joe Cole is ITK
It's incredible that people still go on about "These players getting managers sacked"
It's such a lazy line to whip out
Real?
Real when Carlo leaves?
Amorim and Manchester United have come to an agreement to ruin Amorim’s career in under 3 years.
It's incredible that people still go on about "These players getting managers sacked"
It's such a lazy line to whip out
It's just another way to hate on Rashford I always feel. Like 18 year old Rashford was influential enough to get Van Gaal sacked and was nothing to do with Van Gaal's terrible football and sixth place finish?
Jose got himself sacked, Ole in my view was sacked too soon going through his first poor patch and Rangnick plus Carrick were interim managers.
Even Ten Hag's only good league season was on the back of Rashford's goals.
As for Shaw he's just injury prone there's nothing that can be done there is not a case of him downing tools and Lindelof and Maguire always do their best when played.
There's no United manager can honestly turn round and say it was the players stopped playing that got them sacked.
Yeah its weird how they say they're gonna be ruthless if someone isn't performing but do the exact opposite and keep playing the shite. I read that he's done this too so that's the only doubt I have.
Other than that. Welcome you sexy bastard!
Well there wasn't much good about us to say.