Pretty much. Patience and accepting things might get a little rough are much easier in theory. People are so reactive and quick to go mental.It’s going to be crap again after this and many more times. Everyone was happy to accept this in theory but can’t take it when it actually happens.
Yes - the likes of Rashford, Dalot, Shaw, Malacia, Zirkzee, Mount, Eriksen, Antony, and Casemiro all definitely need binning. And then the likes of Garnacho, Martinez, and Rasmus should all be on thin ice.Again?
Because it's 2 players.If you actually look at these last 9 matches, if we can somehow sort out our set piece defending and bring it back to the average goals conceded percentage, we'd actually be in a far better off situation.
How are we so bad when we constantly have the likes of Maguire, De Ligt etc. in the team who are tall players.
Everyone knew there would be bad times ahead yes. But narrow defeats here and there.It’s going to be crap again after this and many more times. Everyone was happy to accept this in theory but can’t take it when it actually happens.
Yer man Licha is a huge reason we've let in 17 goals.Genuinely, the last few games have been very very bad.
We have regressed massively from not giving up chances to leaking goals anyhowly.
Amorim needs to steady the ship and be ruthless. The fall off is coming up ETH style.
Leaking 17 goals in less than 1 month is shocking...
Genuinely, the last few games have been very very bad.
We have regressed massively from not giving up chances to leaking goals anyhowly.
Amorim needs to steady the ship and be ruthless. The fall off is coming up ETH style.
Leaking 17 goals in less than 1 month is shocking...
Because it's 2 players.
Most of the rest are useless in the air for set pieces Martinez, Bruno, Amad, Malacia, Mainoo, Ugarte, Garnacho are all short and physically weak.
The other big guys we do have (Zirkzee, Hojlund) are pathetic in the air.
Ugarte was booked and is very little benefit to a team desperate for a goal. So the logic goes.I blame a lot of today on the players but he made some huge errors today. Malacia is useless, he was better off getting a lad from the youth team and giving them a chance. Taking Ugarte off when Mainoo was having a stinker was a bad sub and we pretty much lost the game when that was done.
He must know the mountain of a task he has at this club and needs to realise that many of these players are beyond help.
The first thing we need to do is stop fecking conceding set pieces. Were pretty much giving teams a 1 goal handicap at this point.
I watched it, and yes we missed some chances. But while I thought we were unlucky to be behind at half time, it'd take some real one eyed delusion to suggest we didn't deserve to lose.Some of you just need to preface your posts with 'i don't actually watch the games, but I saw the scoreline and...'.
Everyone knew there would be bad times ahead yes. But narrow defeats here and there.
Not losing most games and getting drilled 3-0 at home by bloody Bournemouth, after a 4 goal smashing at Tottenham midweek.
Imagine if we had last year's injury problems on top!
We have bigger problems then this two.If he starts Bruno and Dalot every game we going no where . Dalot isn’t a defender or a midfielder no idea what he brings in the team , Bruno isn’t a number 8 or 9 or 6 .
I think you're forgetting that Bournemouth are currently 5th. They are on a great run of form and are extremely hard to beat. Give some respect to the opposition. Nottingham Forrest are 4th as well.How is it clueless, we are playing awful football and being thrashed at home by teams we should be beating easilly while conceeding a lot more goals than we were under ETH.
We were much better in the games under Ruud than we have been in a few of the games under Ruben Amorim
Context is key. Spurs scored 4 from like 0.7 xG and three of the goals were absolute freaks. With the first two today there’s very little to mitigate that without much time on the training pitch.Everyone knew there would be bad times ahead yes. But narrow defeats here and there.
Not losing most games and getting drilled 3-0 at home by bloody Bournemouth, after a 4 goal smashing at Tottenham midweek.
Imagine if we had last year's injury problems on top!
We've been here before.Amorim is great coach with horrible team.
I just can't get my head around what happened in the summer. Out of all available strikers worldwide you decide to spends tons of money on... fecking Zirkzee!
We need to get rid of Malacia, Zirkzee, Dalot, Casemiro, Shaw, Mount, Martinez, Maguire, Bayindir, Antony, Rashford..... And Bruno should be stripped off captaincy.
Shouting standards and replacing the manager every 5 minutes isn’t going to win you anything either.Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.
Insane how much standards have dropped here.
If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.
As someone still unsure about him, I don't know how he's getting all this blame. United have been better at every metric except scoring goals and all the goals have been from very dumb mistakes.
Modern football fan in a nutshell. People who think so stupidly deserve to watch us be bad forever.Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.
Insane how much standards have dropped here.
If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.
We lost by one goal in the cup at WHL. Hardy apocalypticContext is key. Spurs scored 4 from like 0.7 xG and three of the goals were absolute freaks. With the first two today there’s very little to mitigate that without much time on the training pitch.
Sadly yes. The defensive structure we had in Ruud and first Amorim games has evaporated. We are back to leaking goals.Yer man Licha is a huge reason we've let in 17 goals.
Exactly. People are so dramatic.We lost by one goal in the cup at WHL. Hardy apocalyptic
I agree in general today was the first loss that was largely on him. But the drama her is just stupid and our squad is absolutely shitI blame a lot of today on the players but he made some huge errors today. Malacia is useless, he was better off getting a lad from the youth team and giving them a chance. Taking Ugarte off when Mainoo was having a stinker was a bad sub and we pretty much lost the game when that was done.
He must know the mountain of a task he has at this club and needs to realise that many of these players are beyond help.
The first thing we need to do is stop fecking conceding set pieces. Were pretty much giving teams a 1 goal handicap at this point.
Modern football fan in a nutshell. People who think so stupidly deserve to watch us be bad forever.
Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.
Insane how much standards have dropped here.
If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.
Guess where Klopp finished his first season at Liverpool?Its how every other club in the world operates.
We are the only ones who would back a manager that finished 8th with another 200m in a summer window.
Now thats negligence.
I watched it, and yes we missed some chances. But while I thought we were unlucky to be behind at half time, it'd take some real one eyed delusion to suggest we didn't deserve to lose.
Am I defending the decision to keep ten Hag? No. Throwing your toys out of the pram and wanting this Bloke out early next year without him even getting a summer is beyond spoilt idiot baby thinking.Its how every other club in the world operates.
We are the only ones who would back a manager that finished 8th with another 200m in a summer window.
Now thats negligence.
Absolutely cluelessIts ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.
Insane how much standards have dropped here.
If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.
You are probably correct. And thanks for point it out. I am sure it has long-term uses.xG is not a BS stat.. but interpreting it after a single game is pointless. I think xG tells a story after 15, 20, 30 games or so.
For example, if yoh toss a coin, the expected probability is 50:50 for heads or tails. If you guess tails and heads come up, is the coin rigged? Course not, you just need a bigger sample.
If we had a higher xG than Bournemouth and didn't win, unlike the overly simplistic example above, it does tell us something. But we should really be looking at xG, xA over a longer stretch of games.
If on a probabilistic basis, as in, if we create chances that shoud result in 50 goals, but we only score 35, then that's clearly a problem. Same for xA. I would hazard a guess we underperform our xG by a decent %, and also have a higher goals conceded than our xA. Now you probably don't need xG and xA to know we have too many individual mistakes at the back and we aren't ruthless up front, but there's certainly some value to take in drilling down to those stats.
Who are the main culprits? What flanks does our xA underperformance come from.. etc etc?
