Let’s keep doing what we’re doing. We’re playing controlling and good football. Results will follow if we cut our silly mistakes.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Exactly. People complaining about rotation are short sighted. We need to push on in the league, we need to try to get top 4
It is clear he needs to use his whole squad but not his fault if at least half are shit
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Has Shaw played as LWB under Amorim?
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Still feeling pretty confident about how things are going. The results are lagging behind performances still, but the performances keep improving. We're looking more and more comfortable with this system every game, some of the underlying stats like possession and xG for/against are looking pretty strong.
I think the problem is the individuals, not the system. Some of it is players just not being good enough and making costly mistakes, like the keeper & Martinez last night. But I think the best example was the LWB position. Dalot has been poor this season, but last night it wasn't really a question of him being off his game. He's just not the right player for that role. He got into great positions again and again, even in the first half when we weren't as good, but he did nothing with it. If you replace him with someone with a good cross on them, that alone would transform our attack.
But still, after so many years of no shape and lacklustre possession, it feels comforting to see the team doing the basics right, and after less than a month with the new boss. After a couple of transfer windows and 6 months with the team, I think he'll have us in a great place.
I think the problem is the individuals, not the system. Some of it is players just not being good enough and making costly mistakes, like the keeper & Martinez last night. But I think the best example was the LWB position. Dalot has been poor this season, but last night it wasn't really a question of him being off his game. He's just not the right player for that role. He got into great positions again and again, even in the first half when we weren't as good, but he did nothing with it. If you replace him with someone with a good cross on them, that alone would transform our attack.
But still, after so many years of no shape and lacklustre possession, it feels comforting to see the team doing the basics right, and after less than a month with the new boss. After a couple of transfer windows and 6 months with the team, I think he'll have us in a great place.
Absolutely this. I was pleased with what I saw for the most part.
We are not going to get rid of all bad habits in such a short time. Really need to cut the silly mistakes, but confident we'll get there.
This. The only cup competition we should be taking seriously is the Europa League as it offers another avenue into the CL.
The general play is getting better, however we still find it tough to create chances from our possession. Our best chances are those which are creating on the counter or when we are able to induce a mistake (Amad a major contributor in that). Yesterday again showed how important can a midfielder with the ability to pass can be in order to move the ball, switch ball and for the overall fluidity of the team.
I didn't care about the result and think it could be beneficial for us exiting this competition as our top most priorities outside the work in the training field are the league and the Europa league. Still there were a couple of things I didn't like from yesterday:
First, Bayindir is a blunder and it has been pretty obvious that he shouldn't start for us. His highlight reel in the summer was a blooper reel. This guy was another poor purchase and needs to replaced in the summer. Every good team has a capable second keeper and we should too. Starting him was a huge mistake from Ruben.
Second, I feel like Garnacho should have been introduced much earlier than he was, probably at half time. Porro's positioning was a leaving a lot of space down left and he could have exploited it better. We should have moved Maz to the left, Amad as a RWB and taken off Dalot.
Anyway, onward and upward. Our next three are in the premier league, with two of them at home and the away against Wolves. Looking forward to a win and improved performances in all three. We need to end the year on a high note and finish it in the top half of the table.
I didn't care about the result and think it could be beneficial for us exiting this competition as our top most priorities outside the work in the training field are the league and the Europa league. Still there were a couple of things I didn't like from yesterday:
First, Bayindir is a blunder and it has been pretty obvious that he shouldn't start for us. His highlight reel in the summer was a blooper reel. This guy was another poor purchase and needs to replaced in the summer. Every good team has a capable second keeper and we should too. Starting him was a huge mistake from Ruben.
Second, I feel like Garnacho should have been introduced much earlier than he was, probably at half time. Porro's positioning was a leaving a lot of space down left and he could have exploited it better. We should have moved Maz to the left, Amad as a RWB and taken off Dalot.
Anyway, onward and upward. Our next three are in the premier league, with two of them at home and the away against Wolves. Looking forward to a win and improved performances in all three. We need to end the year on a high note and finish it in the top half of the table.
We have definitely improved our pressing and general gameplay. No complaints so far and we look to be progressing nicely
Yesterday was a showcase of why our 2nd string is 2nd string
Yesterday was a showcase of why our 2nd string is 2nd string
You can clearly see improvement in general play, no doubts about that. But he's going a bit overkill with the rotation (Bayandir and Antony as #10 seemed a bit too much). I would also like us to switch to more of a standard 4231 rather than going for Evans as 3rd CB when we're already one goal down, that was a bit strange tbh.
we just went to city and controlled the game against them, controlled the majority of the game last night as well. Brain farts and poor striking has been our problem.
There are reasons to be optimistic. I don’t believe the reports that we won’t get anyone in January. If we can get a quality striker in we will see a big upturn.
The key now is to improve the strength in depth of the squad so that there's not a massive drop in quality when the first xi aren't playing.
Sign 4/5 players in key positions like LWB, RWB, CM, ST, CB. We'll probably have to sell players like Garnacho and Antony to raise money and comply with PSR.
Sign 4/5 players in key positions like LWB, RWB, CM, ST, CB. We'll probably have to sell players like Garnacho and Antony to raise money and comply with PSR.
I don't really get this sort of negativity and I'm glad posts so wide of the mark are few and far between. I'm relieved I can see what he's doing and am enjoying it, and feel a lot more positive than you.
The bit about control and "mere moments" just seems wrong? If anything we're controlling games more and conceding from daft "mere moments"?
Honestly the more I read your post the more I find to disagree with
What sort a budget do you think we need for the above?
Have to disagree, we are controlling games like I haven't seen us do for a dozen years, it is unreasonable to expect us to have complete control for 90 minutes in this league, even City at their best rarely achieved this, our downfall has been stupid mistakes often from players who are normally safe bets.
I am far more encouraged after 8 games under Amorim than I was at any time under ETH, you can see a clear style and where it works (especially giving lots more options when passing out from the back), there are clearly weaknesses but can also see how these can be overcome with a few transfers and a bit of form.
I hope we can get up around the top 4 and go deep in to Europe but TBH I am more than happy with what Amorim is doing and happy to give him a long time and hopefully several transfer windows to build something.
Perfectly summed up!
That’s such a weird criticism. We’ve had more of the ball against Spurs and City, away from home. Fixtures where we usually have 40% or less possession. And that’s with “‘mere moments”? What do you expect if/when we control “entire spells of games”? 80% possession?
The lack of consistency or a settled team is for VERY obvious reasons. Games coming thick and fast, with a manager trying to learn about his squad when they can barely train. All they do is play matches and recover. With a number of new injuries in the mix as well. So again, a really strange criticism.
I don't think a CB ranks particularly highly among our needs, even if it would be nice to have one more. I'd sooner move Mazraoui across to left of a three and play Yoro at RCB if another CB signing meant sacrificing in other areas of the team.
I think you can justifiably say both wing back positions, midfield, the hybrid winger/10 roles and striker should all be addressed more urgently. Even the sub keeper would be more of a concern for me on last night's evidence.
if we sell Rashford at 60M (hopefully a Saudi club offers that), buy Gyokeres/Osimhen at 60-70M
Wirtz at 120M
get Alphonso davies on a free
just 120M-130M and we have a starting XI that opponents fear
Some people just won’t see it until it’s obvious to the people that weren’t even looking.
We are set up better.
This team would comfortably beat Eths version from earlier this season. That’s the biggest compliment I can give Amorim.
Surprisingly better drilled for a team that’s trained in this set up for only a few weeks. Imagine this but with a proper preseason and squad plannings (round pegs in round holes)
We are set up better.
This team would comfortably beat Eths version from earlier this season. That’s the biggest compliment I can give Amorim.
Surprisingly better drilled for a team that’s trained in this set up for only a few weeks. Imagine this but with a proper preseason and squad plannings (round pegs in round holes)
It means we know where to concentrate the efforts to put things right. Set piece defending needs improving tenfold. Get that right and the number of goals conceded will drop dramatically.
So according to this thread we just buy an entire new squad?
Exactly they had a defence missing so he has been forced to bring players in anyway. Come up against a more clinical attack in form attack and they won't get away with it. Also a defence that is actually concentrating.
2-3 additions plus 30+ games under the new system can’t wait for next season. We can see what he’s doing and hear his interviews. We have a great legend in the making.
I don't think so, a backup goalie, which won't break the bank, we know we need a LWB, CB if Evans and Lindelof have left, a midfielder if Casemiro and Erikssen leave and mainly a striker. So it is more natural turnover of the squad anyway, somebody leaves you replace them. It will be more down to right choices, good negotiations. Don't let yourself be taken for a ride.
Think it is replace Shaw whichever position plays as he just is reliable fitness wise. It doesn't matter if he is a decent player if he never plays.
one world class striker
one world class Left CAM
one good CM to rotate with Mainoo/Ugarte
one world class LWB
one back up goalkeeper
one back up LCB
with sales, we can achieve with a net spend of 150M or so
looks like he's doing pre-season with the team with the rotations, identify which players he wants and do not want and can play in his system, which to me is fine to me.
Basically how I feel (although there was that left footed peach of a cross from Dalot!).
Think the system is doing a great job so far of getting us control of games.
If the squad can cut out the individual mistakes (that's on players conc and mental strength) than at least 3 of the 4 defeats could have been wins. Even the worlds best coaches cannot get wins when their players make catastrophic mistakes (a case in point, our noisy neighbours) so given the time he's had and the players he's inherited, Amorim is doing a fine job.
....and a partridge in a pear tree!
Bar a couple of blips you can see steady progression in our style of play and performances. This was the bit that was lacking under all our other post-Fergie managers, even when results were good it was hard to really see what we were working towards.
Repairing the car while the engine is still running. He is doing a great job so far.
I think he's doing a great job so far and there are clear signs of progression and a cohesive style of play.
My one criticism (of the team, not him) is that defensively we're still poor and we concede far too many goals, regardless of individual errors or from set pieces. This needs to be worked on otherwise we'll end up with far more defeats than we'd care for.
My one criticism (of the team, not him) is that defensively we're still poor and we concede far too many goals, regardless of individual errors or from set pieces. This needs to be worked on otherwise we'll end up with far more defeats than we'd care for.
Funny how quickly it took for people to find something to moan about... To me, he has been 10/10 so far, he looks to be an amazing manager and what he has done and changed in such a short time is incredible. Whoever thinks he would fix things in a few days needs to have his head checked.
He tries to save the season (mainly the League and EL) as good as he can but I am sure next season we will attack
He tries to save the season (mainly the League and EL) as good as he can but I am sure next season we will attack
Probably challenging for the title by now.
I doubt Rashford leaves for Saudi. I can only see us getting around 40m ( max ) from PSG
Wirtz - IMO will be on Citys Radar unless they get hit by some bans. He just signed a new deal and is the hottest player on the market so will be ultra expensive
Davies is madrid bound
I'll have what he's having.
Don’t turn this into a transfer forum thread @hobbers
In terms of our general play, we're doing pretty well. Our average xG against is basically 1 since Amorim took over, vs 1.8 over the whole of last season. So that's a big improvement in terms of our general play. The problem is we've conceded 14 goals in practice. I don't think that's as simple as saying its down to mistakes, but it does suggest we're not doing well when chances do crop up - defenders competing for the ball and blocking shots, the keepers saving shots, that kind of thing. Its not individual "mistakes", per se, because getting beat to a header isn't what you'd call a mistake. But I think it is down to the individuals, rather than how the team is playing.
He’s doing a great job. Our team individually are just not good enough and they have so many individual brain farts that NO manager can accommodate for. What we are is much harder to beat in the main and are having more possession and a higher line and press.