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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In terms of our general play, we're doing pretty well. Our average xG against is basically 1 since Amorim took over, vs 1.8 over the whole of last season. So that's a big improvement in terms of our general play. The problem is we've conceded 14 goals in practice. I don't think that's as simple as saying its down to mistakes, but it does suggest we're not doing well when chances do crop up - defenders competing for the ball and blocking shots, the keepers saving shots, that kind of thing. Its not individual "mistakes", per se, because getting beat to a header isn't what you'd call a mistake. But I think it is down to the individuals, rather than how the team is playing.
He’s doing a great job. Our team individually are just not good enough and they have so many individual brain farts that NO manager can accommodate for. What we are is much harder to beat in the main and are having more possession and a higher line and press.
This.
We're not selling Rashford for £60m.
He probably is.
I'm not sure why people still think we should change our formation during the game. Amorim's system is 3 and the back. Chopping and changing is the worst thing we could do.
Thank you for making it pleasurable to watch United again, even when they lose.
I honestly think Amorim's second team would smoke ten Hag's first eleven.
I honestly think Amorim's second team would smoke ten Hag's first eleven.
I think so too, Martinez hasn't convinced at all since his honeymoon first season. He's been a borderline liability since coming back from his nasty injury.
How are there people complaining? This season is a write off like a pre season.
He’s even come out so many times and said he’s going to implement his style regardless of results.
Bear with him, give him atleast 3 seasons!!
He’s even come out so many times and said he’s going to implement his style regardless of results.
Bear with him, give him atleast 3 seasons!!
I’m glad our manager doesn’t see it as one. I’m sick of seeing people say that. Still plenty to play for and achieve, even with our new manager having to adapt and coach this bunch to play his way as we go along.
This is exactly the problem with the club for over a decade now, casually writing off seasons. While I get that keeping on ETH was a death sentence, Nottingham fecking Forrest are currently in 4th. If we managed to string some wins together we'll be up there come the end of the season. If there's progress on the pitch I don't mind losing the odd game, but we can't be losing consistently moving into next season. We also need to build momentum.
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3 seasons is pure madness, if results don't improve by the same time of next season, for me it's clear that we have to move on from him.
This season is a write off, I agree with that, not because we want to or we should aim that, but because we have poor players unsuited to Amorim's style.
He isn’t writing the season off. He’s said multiple times he’s gonna do the things he needs to do (formation, finding out where and how to use the players he has) but is aware that we have to win games. If anything I’d say he’s the one that is saying our standards for winning needs to be higher
A clear indicator of that was under Eth when we would grind out wins with very poor performances and the underlying stats proved it was not sustainable. Yet many posters just kept banging on about the results (which were awful as well overall) and how each unconvincing win was a “corner turned”.
The progress under Amorim is absolutely clear to see and anyone who cannot, is wilfully being ignorant or has a bias for some reason.
The biggest compliment I can give the manager is that I now look forward to matchday.
I've been impressed with him but with Rashford he risks falling into the sane trap ETH did with Sancho.
I'm entirely for demanding standards and dropping any player who doesn't meet them (or goes crying to the media)...but if the week later you're bringing on Johnny Evans who runs like an 80 year old, or picking Antony directly in place of the person you've made an example of, the message you're sending isn't that everyone has to meet a certain standard, it's that, for some reason, only Marcus Rashford does.
That won't get you a positive reaction. It will get no reaction or a hostile one.
There's a bit of a by when it's a league cup game and the manager is still learning about the players but in the case of Evans his lack of sharpness and juat slowness MUST be evident in training. If it isn't then our training is crap.
I'm entirely for demanding standards and dropping any player who doesn't meet them (or goes crying to the media)...but if the week later you're bringing on Johnny Evans who runs like an 80 year old, or picking Antony directly in place of the person you've made an example of, the message you're sending isn't that everyone has to meet a certain standard, it's that, for some reason, only Marcus Rashford does.
That won't get you a positive reaction. It will get no reaction or a hostile one.
There's a bit of a by when it's a league cup game and the manager is still learning about the players but in the case of Evans his lack of sharpness and juat slowness MUST be evident in training. If it isn't then our training is crap.
With a more clinical execution, MU would have scored enough to allow some brain farts in the back.
In the first half alone we had 3 clear chances inside the box (2 by Eriksson and one by Antony) and they were all blocked by a defender that was a few yards away (not close to the shooter). That is poor execution.
Improve that (with confidence/better execution), the defensive set pieces (with time to work) and the 2nd balls (better reaction) and it will be a different team.
I don´t know what more could have been done in 1 month and limited time to practice but I believe that even without new players, you´ll see a massive difference by end January
In the first half alone we had 3 clear chances inside the box (2 by Eriksson and one by Antony) and they were all blocked by a defender that was a few yards away (not close to the shooter). That is poor execution.
Improve that (with confidence/better execution), the defensive set pieces (with time to work) and the 2nd balls (better reaction) and it will be a different team.
I don´t know what more could have been done in 1 month and limited time to practice but I believe that even without new players, you´ll see a massive difference by end January
I dont care what other fans or pundit banging about. Clearly there is a massive improvement in our play. We dont have quality in our attack and the balance on the left side is missing. If we can sort these issues out we can start looking at top 4 next season. My biggest worry right now is Amorim and whether he can take the load of managing Manutd.
He’s not going to say that in an open press conference is he? The simple fact is, these players do not have the skill sets for a top team. They struggle in the final third. We won’t get top 4, that’s being realistic.
Europa league? Maybe if luck is on our side. We don’t have the consistency to do it in the league.
The problem is we’re not a big football club in terms of winning trophies or challenging for titles. We might have the attraction and the name but we’re not feared.
What the new manager is doing is good, we’re holding our own against top 4 sides but the players don’t have it in them to see it out. Whether it’s give them time or buy ones who suited, we’ll find out.
The loss against Spurs last night doesn't bother me much but a lot of positives to take away, Amorim's impact is really showing but there is a lot to work on in terms of unforced errors and consistency.
However, we gotta win the next 3 league against Bournemouth, Wolves and Newcastle, they are winnable, obviously not easy but winnable, will give the confidence and momentum the team needs to face Liverpool at Anfield
However, we gotta win the next 3 league against Bournemouth, Wolves and Newcastle, they are winnable, obviously not easy but winnable, will give the confidence and momentum the team needs to face Liverpool at Anfield
How on earth is the season a write off. We'll be going for as high a league finish as possible, and no doubt going all in on the Europa League, while we're also still in the FA Cup
Rashford has clearly been dropped due to lack of effort in both training and in games.
You're talking about something completely different which is a players ability. We know Antony and Evans aren't good enough for this club, but they aren't players you associate with a lack of effort. That's the difference and that's why the manager is willing to play them. Rashford can't even give him the bare minimum which is a 100% effort in training. You're blind if you can't see it, especially when our manager has spelt it out for you with his answers in interviews.
We are cooking. As long as we get the performance right, the results will come along.
So frustrating being on the cusp of being a good team
But at least I’m enjoying watching our games again. Crazy that’s only been like a month since he’s been on the job too
But at least I’m enjoying watching our games again. Crazy that’s only been like a month since he’s been on the job too
Nah man you don't get it. The manager has explained the "tinkering"
Obviously rotation for fitness is a factor, let's not go into how lack of rotation messed our season up with regards Injuries under Ten Hag.
However Ruben has explained before every match there are two teams, a training squad and playing squad, the team that doesn't play trains on the day of the game, it is to get his system across to the entire squad in a short space of time and to allow him and the board to see who can and who can't make it here.
But it's not a fitness test, Rashy wasn't dropped because he lost a race with Evans.
I thought it was kinda a given Rashford was dropped for having a shit attitude in training. But maybe that's just my take on the situation.
Just watching his post match press conference on SSN, and I’m still super impressed with how he deals with the press and his demeanour. He treads the line between being honest and addressing obvious issues and not throwing players under the bus very well.
I don't really understand what your point is here, Evans shouldn't have been brought on because he's slow?
Standards and talent are two different things. Standards are about working hard for your teammates, professional behavior, positive body language/belief, and knowing your role.
If Antony is working hard, pressing high, making sprints, putting in a defensive shift - those are standards we should expect of ALL United players, regardless of their talent. It’s a question of mindset and effort.
Want to be clear, we ultimately will need a team full of individuals with high standards AND talent, but we do not have that right now.
We’ve prioritized talent and sacrificed standards for far too long. This is the way forward.
I am thrilled so far. As many above have said, the team is such a better watch no matter who is out there. I personally like the rotation.
Buckling up and enjoying the ride. There will be many ups and downs of course.
Also like someone said above, my biggest worry is Amorim hates dealign with all the crap that comes with managing United. Like 25 questions about Rashford before a game vs Spurs. Please get a team around him to help manage it.
Buckling up and enjoying the ride. There will be many ups and downs of course.
Also like someone said above, my biggest worry is Amorim hates dealign with all the crap that comes with managing United. Like 25 questions about Rashford before a game vs Spurs. Please get a team around him to help manage it.
We dominated Spurs' first team minus a few players with our squad players.
To be getting that kind of tune in such a short time from what we saw from ETH is massively encouraging.
We need to provide him with the players he needs and we'll be fine.
I get Klopp vibes from when he started at pool.
It took him time to sort out that crap team and get them performing.
To be getting that kind of tune in such a short time from what we saw from ETH is massively encouraging.
We need to provide him with the players he needs and we'll be fine.
I get Klopp vibes from when he started at pool.
It took him time to sort out that crap team and get them performing.
Exactly this.
Antony can't help how talented he is, anymore than Evans can control what age he is.
Rashford can control how hard he works on and off the field. He just doesn't fancy it.
He brought on Evans due to an unfortunate injury to Lindelöf who I'd deserved a chance under the new manager (who played alongside him). Plus I'd argue that Evans had a better season this and last year than Rashford who has been horrific most of the time. With Antony: he actually showed promise in his last outings so it is understandable he was given another chance. Granted, he didn't take it.
So I don't really see the point you are making here.
It isn't something completely different. It is all aimed at the same thing which is making the team better and harder to beat, and creating a culture where team mates trust in each other.
If you choose to send a message about standards, you can't really pick and choose which standards or who they do and don't apply to. You can't be not good enough but its ok because its for a different reason than someone else who isn't good enough. That'd be like a work place deducting pay from anyone who turns up late because they want to see an improvement in overall performance, but then giving the extra money to people who turn up on time ad try hard but get next to feck all work done. In theory it might kick the latecomers up the backside. More likely you'll end up having to grovel back to them because no work is gettng done and then they'll tell you that they want more money regardless of turning up late because of how valuable you've just proven they are....and at the end you are right back where you started except with a large chunk of your authority gone.
As long as the manager sets a red line of basic professionalism then they are completely separate. You can't have different expectations of professionalism dependent on individuals, you either meet it or you're out. Not that Rashford is performing anyway.
Amorim is here to improve the team as a unit and he clearly thinks culture is more important in improving the team than individuals. The club seems to be of the same mind.
We certainly aren't getting anywhere with players thinking they can do what they like and still play. That's a rot that's held this team back for too long.