Yes. From his resume, he did it twice.So you are giving him 5 months?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I think we are a lot better than where we were under ETH. Yes, it was painful to watch us again Forest but we lost because of
1) Individual mistakes. -We had 72% possession and 7 shots on target vs their 3 shots on target. The mistakes also came from our better players - Bruno, Onana and Martinez. This is different, for instance, from when we lost against Spurs or Liverpool where we made individual mistakes but also got outplayed.
2) Some players being out of position - the worst of which is Dalot who I think really cost us. He was in space for most of the 2nd half but couldn't make it count. Both our goals were solid team goals - one from the middle and another from the right wing suggesting that our attacking play is getting better.
1) Individual mistakes. -We had 72% possession and 7 shots on target vs their 3 shots on target. The mistakes also came from our better players - Bruno, Onana and Martinez. This is different, for instance, from when we lost against Spurs or Liverpool where we made individual mistakes but also got outplayed.
2) Some players being out of position - the worst of which is Dalot who I think really cost us. He was in space for most of the 2nd half but couldn't make it count. Both our goals were solid team goals - one from the middle and another from the right wing suggesting that our attacking play is getting better.
Totally agree, I can see Amorim actually improving how the team plays structurally, bit more solid overall and better in controlling the game, individual mistakes aside, we don't get dominated out ran at in midfield.
It's really important for us that Amorim somehow improves this lot, because that will mean he will be able to do a lot better with better players but first he has to prove it with this lot, a tall ask I know but we need it.
Read the article, not sure how reliable it's but the part below is interesting
It's good to see that the majority of the players support the manager in his selections and rotations, Amorim is trying to learn what the players can do, and hopefully he can settle on his strongest 11 and best options to come on as subs.
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It's not parsing stats. It's simply that it's uncommon for the team to play a top team away, managed to string passes correctly, and tried to have a bit control somehow. Usually the mode is to rely on the counter, which is not wrong, but resulted in less possession, less passes, and became a bad habit (such as players rushing to put the ball forward as we have seen). Of course, everyone knows more possession doesn't mean a bigger chance to win. However, it is very important for the players to try and control the tempo. The shift in mindset/habit is the biggest issue for me so to see them try it during a tough game away is encouraging.
The squad has crap physical level, possibly the worst in the PL, so it makes perfect sense to have this kind of rotation policy to keep players fresh.
Amorim's been dealt a very bad hand. Right down to selling someone like McTominay who has a much higher base level of fitness than the likes of Case and Eriksen.
It's going to take a long time for any manager to sort out this squad. But his manner of thinking and the strategies he's got in place make much more sense than ETH's.
Amorim's been dealt a very bad hand. Right down to selling someone like McTominay who has a much higher base level of fitness than the likes of Case and Eriksen.
It's going to take a long time for any manager to sort out this squad. But his manner of thinking and the strategies he's got in place make much more sense than ETH's.
I learned that the West applies anti-racism/ethnic/national discrimination rules very consistently and RedCafe is epitome of that consistency. Very nice! I see no difference between that movie and certain tropical fruit thrown at players as both imply stereotypes but people on here would argue with me on how a what I should feel, I guess.
The specifics are these: this place have degraded to den of fools since I started reading the forum in 2003.
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I'd say Rashford is one of the minority judging by that video of him walking away while the other players clapped the away fans against arsenal. Probably not happy at being on the bench for that game.
Based on some of his recent performances (not on all of them, though), he doesn’t even deserve being in the match day squad.
Nice article about Amorim from a Dutch football site called VI, translated with google translate:
The Poet who wants to enchant Old Trafford
Rúben Amorim (39) is from Portugal and was taught by José Mourinho at the University of Lisbon. Yet Amorim emphasized several times that he is not a second Special One. His mission? Making Manchester United the biggest club in the world again.
There were a few clubs that were on his list in case he left Sporting. Clubs for which he was prepared to leave behind what he had created. A number of escape routes were included in his contract: clauses that made a departure to another club possible. These clauses were specifically ordered. Manchester United topped the list of dream destinations. In that case, the buyout sum was ten million euros. For almost all other foreign clubs, Sporting had the right to ask ten million euros more.
What Rúben Amorim had not anticipated was that he would be faced with a very difficult choice. The problem was not so much leaving Sporting, but the timing. Wonderful things were about to happen with a team that captured the imagination. He had already been announced as the new manager of Manchester United when, by way of introduction, he won 4-1 against Manchester City. At Sporting they knew that sooner or later Amorim would spread his wings. It surprised no one that Manchester United turned to him. But for Amorim it was a difficult decision to leave behind everything he had built at Sporting.
And yet he did it. Manchester United is not just any club. It has an appeal that goes beyond football, an almost mythical allure, comparable to that of Real Madrid. That challenge appealed to Amorim. It was the push he needed to take on the challenge of his life. With his move to England and the Premier League, he took the step into a new dimension.
Whatever he has achieved in recent years, he remains a newcomer for the time being. Just like Erik ten Hag was when he was taken away from Ajax, and like Arne Slot first had to prove himself when he became Liverpool's coach. A door has opened for Amorim to the big world of trainers, a door to an imaginary room from which you can just as quickly leave if the results are disappointing. For him, that door opened remarkably quickly.
He stopped playing football at the age of 32, started as a trainer at the age of 33, and next month, on January 27, he will celebrate his fortieth birthday. Manchester United is now the second club to have paid millions for him, after Sporting Portugal, which took him away from Sporting Braga when he had just started there. In a sense, he has quickly found his way to the level at which he belongs as a trainer. And at that level, sooner or later the lure of a club like Manchester United will come.
Amorim is the tenth trainer - including the interim periods of Ryan Giggs, Michael Carrick and Ruud van Nistelrooij - who has been allowed to try since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson. The Scot had the club under his control for 25 years, and since then the supporters have been waiting for a new king, a leader who can unite the club. A wizard who turns Old Trafford into an impregnable fortress again.
The power of Manchester United lies in the magic that the club evokes: once that magic is rediscovered, the club can quickly work its way back into a football giant that captures the imagination of millions. But the right person has not yet presented himself. Amorim is convinced he is that person. Yet he will have to prove that first and before the rest of England believes it too.
As a fellow Portuguese, Bruno Fernandes knew Rúben Amorim better than the average Manchester United supporter. In an interview he emphasized how special it is what Amorim has achieved at Sporting. Fernandes described how some people can change the energy in a room, and he says Amorim is just such a person. With his appearance and qualities as a trainer, he brings a unique dynamic. At Sporting it quickly became clear that Amorim was not an average coach, despite his limited experience. This was due to his way of speaking, his genuine interest in others and the practical solutions he offered.
As a player, Amorim was nicknamed The Poet by Cristiano Ronaldo because of the way he spoke. According to Ronaldo, there was often silence when Amorim spoke. That nickname reflects his gift for touching people with words, a trait that has not escaped the notice of English journalists. Even in a foreign language such as English, Amorim knows how to express himself well. To obtain his coaching credentials, he took an accelerated UEFA course in Belfast through the Football Association of Ireland.
In recent weeks, Amorim has of course often been asked about that nickname. His answer is about the same every time: he doesn't speak often, but when he does, he speaks from his heart. This affects people, says Amorim. He further put it into perspective as a joke between him and Ronaldo, although it does illustrate his personality. His ability to inspire players and groups is one of his greatest strengths.
Jérémy Mathieu, former Sporting defender, endorses this. In an interview with So Foot, he called Amorim's personality an important weapon. “He's pretty cool in his way of being,” Mathieu said. 'In the dressing room he puts everyone at ease, but he leaves no one behind. That makes you want to give everything for him and the team. With Amorim you can lose, but cheating is not an option. During training he demanded 100 percent effort. At first I didn't, so he called me into his office. He then asked me to set an example.”
The task that awaits Amorim at Manchester United is so enormous and complex that it is difficult to imagine how he can succeed. Big names such as José Mourinho and Louis van Gaal, like Ten Hag, relished the challenge, although they each won one or more prizes.
For Amorim it is not the first time that he has found a club in crisis. He was appointed to Sporting Braga when the club needed new impetus after a disappointing start to the season. Amorim was coach of the second team at the time, but was moved to the first team. His impact was immediate: he won his first match in Portugal's top division with a whopping 7-1 against Belenenses.
Although Amorim was only head coach at Braga for two months, he managed to make an indelible impression in that short period. In the series of thirteen games he defeated the traditional top three, Sporting, Porto and Benfica, and he also won the League Cup. It was almost as if a new José Mourinho had emerged from nowhere, a new coaching phenomenon. In retrospect, the comparison turned out not to be far-fetched.
A constant in the first years of Amorim's career is his ability to immediately make an impact on the teams he joins. At Braga the turnaround was extreme, but at Sporting he also managed to transform a crisis club into a flourishing football paradise - an example club that other clubs now look up to.
Amorim took his first steps as a trainer at Casa Pia, a third division club at the time, in 2018. Although he did not yet have the correct papers and was therefore suspended by the Portuguese association, he left a lasting impression in the short period that he was active. Carlos Pires, technical director of Casa Pia, recently described him in The Athletic as extraordinary: 'He was special, like a magician. He knew exactly what to say at every moment of a match. He understood every moment both on and off the field and had an unparalleled talent for leadership. Everyone fell in love with him. He had a special aura, he was completely different.'
It has now been three weeks since Amorim gave his first press conference as head coach of Manchester United. Due to the busy schedule with competitions and press moments, it seems more like three months. During that first press conference he expressed one of his core principles: as a trainer you have to choose a certain path and believe in it one hundred percent. The Portuguese emphasized that he has confidence in himself, in the club and in the chosen approach. According to him, the players have no choice but to go along with that belief, because there is simply only one way. To be continued.
The Poet who wants to enchant Old Trafford
Rúben Amorim (39) is from Portugal and was taught by José Mourinho at the University of Lisbon. Yet Amorim emphasized several times that he is not a second Special One. His mission? Making Manchester United the biggest club in the world again.
There were a few clubs that were on his list in case he left Sporting. Clubs for which he was prepared to leave behind what he had created. A number of escape routes were included in his contract: clauses that made a departure to another club possible. These clauses were specifically ordered. Manchester United topped the list of dream destinations. In that case, the buyout sum was ten million euros. For almost all other foreign clubs, Sporting had the right to ask ten million euros more.
What Rúben Amorim had not anticipated was that he would be faced with a very difficult choice. The problem was not so much leaving Sporting, but the timing. Wonderful things were about to happen with a team that captured the imagination. He had already been announced as the new manager of Manchester United when, by way of introduction, he won 4-1 against Manchester City. At Sporting they knew that sooner or later Amorim would spread his wings. It surprised no one that Manchester United turned to him. But for Amorim it was a difficult decision to leave behind everything he had built at Sporting.
And yet he did it. Manchester United is not just any club. It has an appeal that goes beyond football, an almost mythical allure, comparable to that of Real Madrid. That challenge appealed to Amorim. It was the push he needed to take on the challenge of his life. With his move to England and the Premier League, he took the step into a new dimension.
Whatever he has achieved in recent years, he remains a newcomer for the time being. Just like Erik ten Hag was when he was taken away from Ajax, and like Arne Slot first had to prove himself when he became Liverpool's coach. A door has opened for Amorim to the big world of trainers, a door to an imaginary room from which you can just as quickly leave if the results are disappointing. For him, that door opened remarkably quickly.
He stopped playing football at the age of 32, started as a trainer at the age of 33, and next month, on January 27, he will celebrate his fortieth birthday. Manchester United is now the second club to have paid millions for him, after Sporting Portugal, which took him away from Sporting Braga when he had just started there. In a sense, he has quickly found his way to the level at which he belongs as a trainer. And at that level, sooner or later the lure of a club like Manchester United will come.
Amorim is the tenth trainer - including the interim periods of Ryan Giggs, Michael Carrick and Ruud van Nistelrooij - who has been allowed to try since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson. The Scot had the club under his control for 25 years, and since then the supporters have been waiting for a new king, a leader who can unite the club. A wizard who turns Old Trafford into an impregnable fortress again.
The power of Manchester United lies in the magic that the club evokes: once that magic is rediscovered, the club can quickly work its way back into a football giant that captures the imagination of millions. But the right person has not yet presented himself. Amorim is convinced he is that person. Yet he will have to prove that first and before the rest of England believes it too.
As a fellow Portuguese, Bruno Fernandes knew Rúben Amorim better than the average Manchester United supporter. In an interview he emphasized how special it is what Amorim has achieved at Sporting. Fernandes described how some people can change the energy in a room, and he says Amorim is just such a person. With his appearance and qualities as a trainer, he brings a unique dynamic. At Sporting it quickly became clear that Amorim was not an average coach, despite his limited experience. This was due to his way of speaking, his genuine interest in others and the practical solutions he offered.
As a player, Amorim was nicknamed The Poet by Cristiano Ronaldo because of the way he spoke. According to Ronaldo, there was often silence when Amorim spoke. That nickname reflects his gift for touching people with words, a trait that has not escaped the notice of English journalists. Even in a foreign language such as English, Amorim knows how to express himself well. To obtain his coaching credentials, he took an accelerated UEFA course in Belfast through the Football Association of Ireland.
In recent weeks, Amorim has of course often been asked about that nickname. His answer is about the same every time: he doesn't speak often, but when he does, he speaks from his heart. This affects people, says Amorim. He further put it into perspective as a joke between him and Ronaldo, although it does illustrate his personality. His ability to inspire players and groups is one of his greatest strengths.
Jérémy Mathieu, former Sporting defender, endorses this. In an interview with So Foot, he called Amorim's personality an important weapon. “He's pretty cool in his way of being,” Mathieu said. 'In the dressing room he puts everyone at ease, but he leaves no one behind. That makes you want to give everything for him and the team. With Amorim you can lose, but cheating is not an option. During training he demanded 100 percent effort. At first I didn't, so he called me into his office. He then asked me to set an example.”
The task that awaits Amorim at Manchester United is so enormous and complex that it is difficult to imagine how he can succeed. Big names such as José Mourinho and Louis van Gaal, like Ten Hag, relished the challenge, although they each won one or more prizes.
For Amorim it is not the first time that he has found a club in crisis. He was appointed to Sporting Braga when the club needed new impetus after a disappointing start to the season. Amorim was coach of the second team at the time, but was moved to the first team. His impact was immediate: he won his first match in Portugal's top division with a whopping 7-1 against Belenenses.
Although Amorim was only head coach at Braga for two months, he managed to make an indelible impression in that short period. In the series of thirteen games he defeated the traditional top three, Sporting, Porto and Benfica, and he also won the League Cup. It was almost as if a new José Mourinho had emerged from nowhere, a new coaching phenomenon. In retrospect, the comparison turned out not to be far-fetched.
A constant in the first years of Amorim's career is his ability to immediately make an impact on the teams he joins. At Braga the turnaround was extreme, but at Sporting he also managed to transform a crisis club into a flourishing football paradise - an example club that other clubs now look up to.
Amorim took his first steps as a trainer at Casa Pia, a third division club at the time, in 2018. Although he did not yet have the correct papers and was therefore suspended by the Portuguese association, he left a lasting impression in the short period that he was active. Carlos Pires, technical director of Casa Pia, recently described him in The Athletic as extraordinary: 'He was special, like a magician. He knew exactly what to say at every moment of a match. He understood every moment both on and off the field and had an unparalleled talent for leadership. Everyone fell in love with him. He had a special aura, he was completely different.'
It has now been three weeks since Amorim gave his first press conference as head coach of Manchester United. Due to the busy schedule with competitions and press moments, it seems more like three months. During that first press conference he expressed one of his core principles: as a trainer you have to choose a certain path and believe in it one hundred percent. The Portuguese emphasized that he has confidence in himself, in the club and in the chosen approach. According to him, the players have no choice but to go along with that belief, because there is simply only one way. To be continued.
The more we get to hear from him he comes across like a curious mix of our last few coaches (the good bits)
The likability and humility of Ole, the charisma and edge of Jose, the honesty and bluntness (although thankfully with more tact) of Ralf, the tactical acumen of Van Gaal, the discipline of Ten Hag.
The er… he has the letter M in his surname like Moyes?
I’m hopeful.
The likability and humility of Ole, the charisma and edge of Jose, the honesty and bluntness (although thankfully with more tact) of Ralf, the tactical acumen of Van Gaal, the discipline of Ten Hag.
The er… he has the letter M in his surname like Moyes?
I’m hopeful.
Fingers crossed. Let's give him a bit of time.
Please get it right at the weekend and pile on their misery.
Good opportunity at the weekend to give the team and club a boost against a clearly struggling city. Wouldn't expect us to take the chance all the same.
Hopefully he can get us in Europa League (I hate that league btw). And then I can judge him from the start of the new season but based on implemented style + transfers both in and out.
Very interested in finding out who those minority players are.
Bruno, Dalot and Garnacho probably
And Amad. He’s getting more game time now than he’s ever had under the previous managers.
Bruno Rashford and Garnacho
I think you misunderstood the comment you quoted. Amad is definitely happy with the new system so will not be part of the minority who don't.
Argh. Fair enough
He certainly doesn't rate Eriksen and Antony.
I actually think its Eriksen. Of all the rotation going on, he's rarely featured and personally I think he'll move in January.
Or it could just be Luckhurst shit-stirring.
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He is a good coach and you can see what he wants to do - play in a defined shape, try to play through the middle, inverting WBs creating overloads in the final third, always keep the ball on the ground rather than going long, etc.
Unfortunately, most of these players are not suited for his system. And without results, he will be under severe pressure which will impact his ability to stamp his identity on the team. I just hope for his sake, we start scraping some wins anyhow to ease the scrutiny while he tweaks his tactics. Starting tonight.
Unfortunately, most of these players are not suited for his system. And without results, he will be under severe pressure which will impact his ability to stamp his identity on the team. I just hope for his sake, we start scraping some wins anyhow to ease the scrutiny while he tweaks his tactics. Starting tonight.
way different than ETH, already see a pattern of play, it is ambitious, but we will reap rewards soon. At least its watchable. Definitely more pragmatic. there will be defensive errors, but way more chances and we should enjoy football after a while.
I dont really see where the wins are going to come from in this next lot of fixtures. We seem to have trouble scoring and we always let some in.
Unless we bring in some 1st teamers in January, or he changes system to suit the players, Amorim is going to be under immense pressure come february.
Would anybody object to him fielding half the youth team until the summer? Couldn't be any worse.
We need to see some improvement soon.
We need a different payment structure for players. Make most of it performance based bonuses. This lot feels like they are above running.
We look exactly like you should expect and it will take time.
We don't have one player that benefits from playing this formation, or look better in any sort of way. We look worse than ever.
Players show no effort. That's not exactly what you should expect.
Yeah but these cnuts had plenty of time in a 4-2-3-1 formation too. It’s not like they lit up the world. They are just that shit.
Seems like he views Mazraoui as the rcb. I want to see Amad get a run as the 10 with Maz as our rwb but, if it's out of Amad and Dalot as our rwb, I think we're better off with Amad there.
Depends what you mean by improvement. We have already improved in some areas quite clearly.
What? Did we not become great overnight trying to implement a totally different approach? Fire him! Now!
We're keeping the ball better and look more solid defensively, but we've been awful at breaking teams down for years. We move the ball too slowly and everything is to feet.
We've gotta give it time though, because going back to playing on the counter isn't the way forward.
We've gotta give it time though, because going back to playing on the counter isn't the way forward.
Oh well. It isn't going to change. The players adapt or they feck off. Their choice.
Because we looked great in the..... oh wait.
I'm willing to get behind the project and style of play because watching this makes it abundantly clear that the players are shite.
We're keeping the ball better and the structure of the team off the ball is actually quite good.
In the long run this storm is a good thing, because we will finally get rid of some crap players. Bruno, Rashford, Martinez and Dalots days are numbered.
He’s seriously got a big task on his hands.
It’s almost like the players just don’t like each other at times. Simple forward passes are played with so little precision that you think they’re must be a deep resentment there. Amad’s pass to Rashford when there was a break on was a perfect example.
It’s almost like the players just don’t like each other at times. Simple forward passes are played with so little precision that you think they’re must be a deep resentment there
. Amad’s pass to Rashford when there was a break on was a perfect example.