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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Funny that, I mentioned him in a Reddevils (reddit) thread. We need centre backs who can cover ground in wide areas well, I do wonder whether in the long run Martinez's days are numbered.
Having seen Yoro a few times in France, I'd imagine he'll become a starter very quickly.
I agree, that we need someone that can cover the ground and is imposing. Martinez days imo are numbered, we cannot have a LCB that will keep diving in and not keeping his head. He is more suited to a CCB rather than LCB. I can see us going for a LCB in the summer, this season I suspect Shaw will get game time there.
Saying is very easy to actually doing that. Imagine if we are still in the bottom half of the table at the end of Jan with no sign of things improving? Is he still going to stick to his guns and stick to his system or is he going to change? I'll commend him if he sticks to his guns but it's very hard once the pressure starts to ramp up on you.
We said the same thing with ETH and he started to switch between systems because of the pressure of delivering results. It's why I hope we see Amorim's system work out soon.
And to be fair, if Amorim's system is good and if he is as highly rated at coaching as it seems to be, all this discussion would be pointless as we wouldn't be having any adverse results.
We’ve given shite managers too much time, even when Ten Hag was fired there was still people asking for more time. We’re the only club in Europe who backs the manager over the players, it’s insane. Amourim will get this entire season as a free hit, but he has to win games. You can’t be the manager of Manchester United and lose games with the aim of winning games in 2 years time, no where in the world would accept that.
And Amorim only has a 2.5 year contract so he better start winning within that time frame otherwise it doesn’t matter what the fans think.
He’s absolutely doing the right thing. We spent more than two years with Ten Haag kicking the can down the road trying to squeeze out results at the expense of any tangible and consistent style of play.
simply bc they know if they get beat, they don't have the legs to recover
you have to put a bit of risk into learning the system on the fly and the players have to be willing to take that gamble....as a player i'd much prefer to be on the front foot then sitting back defending waiting to have a team attack us in numbers..the higher up the pitch you press and win the ball, the less you have to run
antoher thing i NEVER understood with EtH's system and Ruben mentioned it.....why the feck would a CB play a ball to the outside back and then run into midfield for a return pass??? like logically that makes ZERO sense
I swear some fans think this is still Sir Alex’s title winning squad and a new manager is all that is required to whip us into title contention overnight.
If you try to remind them of the damage done by the owners and successive managers to the club and the squad they start screaming about falling standards and it’s all the fans fault for allowing it.
This will be a long hard road back to the top, especially with the added complication of a system change and teaching the players new roles in the middle of the season. Results aren’t going to be what we’d like and we need a bit of resolve whilst we get good again.
As a wise man once said “your job now is to stick by our new manager..”
Settle down, please! Amorim would do the same at Sporting CP, he is not flushing his principles down the drain or succumbing to some form of player power.
The central centerback would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the holding midfielder, leaving the left centerback and right centerback behind. The central midfielder would advance to form an impermanent pivot with one of the No. 10s. The other No. 10 would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the center forward. Depending on the positioning of the wingbacks, you could describe this “formation” during build-ups as a 4—2—2—2 or a 2—4—2—2.
10—CF
CM—10
CB—DM
WB—LCB—RCB—WB
10—CF
CM—10
WB—CB—DM—WB
LCB—RCB
CM—10
CB—DM
WB—LCB—RCB—WB
10—CF
CM—10
WB—CB—DM—WB
LCB—RCB
A lot of coaches do this because you get overloads and advantageous passing networks through the middle portion to quickly progress the ball up the pitch (without resorting to low-percentage long balls). They would also build-up with what could be described as a 4—2—4, a 3—2—5 et cetera.
P.S. This is what people allude to when they say you need specific profiles of players in key positions if you want to play Amorim style of football, Gasperini style of football, and so forth. If the goalkeeper is not good at splitting the wide centerbacks to form a 3 at the back, there are going to be issues. If the central centerback is not good at advancing up the pitch, there are going to be issues. If the wingbacks are not high-octane and good with their positioning, there are going to be issues. If the defensive midfielder is not good at pressing aggresively, there are going to be issues. And so on. Even small imperfections can have a domino effect, and adversely influence the team.
yeah i noticed that alot watching us under ETH. Always wondering the CB would be out of postion if we lose possesion and we lost possesion all the time.
Brainless set up and coaching.
Thank you for this . It was a genuine question, I am not that familiar with the 3 at the back family of systems - I see that the nuance here is the CCB advancing up.
Settle down, please! Amorim would do the same at Sporting CP, he is not flushing his principles down the drain or succumbing to some form of player power.
The central centerback would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the holding midfielder, leaving the left centerback and right centerback behind. The central midfielder would advance to form an impermanent pivot with one of the No. 10s. The other No. 10 would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the center forward. Depending on the positioning of the wingbacks, you could describe this “formation” during build-ups as a 4—2—2—2 or a 2—4—2—2.
10—CF
CM—10
CB—DM
WB—LCB—RCB—WB
10—CF
CM—10
WB—CB—DM—WB
LCB—RCB
A lot of coaches do this because you get overloads and advantageous passing networks through the middle portion to quickly progress the ball up the pitch (without resorting to low-percentage long balls). They would also build-up with what could be described as a 4—2—4, a 3—2—5 et cetera.
P.S. This is what people allude to when they say you need specific profiles of players in key positions if you want to play Amorim style of football, Gasperini style of football, and so forth. If the goalkeeper is not good at splitting the wide centerbacks to form a 3 at the back, there are going to be issues. If the central centerback is not good at advancing up the pitch, there are going to be issues. If the wingbacks are not high-octane and good with their positioning, there are going to be issues. If the defensive midfielder is not good at pressing aggresively, there are going to be issues. And so on. Even small imperfections can have a domino effect, and adversely influence the team.
The players don't fit the club.
Ah the classic disappear into the crowd that our players usually do
True. And he also said the formation is 2nd, it is a general type of play and attitude he wants and then he is flexible to play with the formation.
Not this time, it’s my gut feeling that this won’t work. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong.
We all know the answer: a transition based system.
And what have we achieved as a club with that other the past 10 years?
Isn’t the point to move to something else? And after 1 game you’ve decided no already?
Yeah I'm sure it'll work eventually.
You are still on the EtH train aren't you?
You do realise every team plays on the transition? From City to league 1, teams play on the transition, it is one of the best way to get goals.
Which is why, every underdog plays that way... If Counter attacking and deep block is the primary way of playing, it doesnt suit teams that want to challenge for anything because you go a goal down and that is the whole game plan out the window.
Yeah I mean we still had people not wanting to sack Ten Hag and continue letting him have time to work it out. No one is more patient with managers than us.
Yeah and that worked brilliantly well with ETH in charge.
That's an incredibly broad church, I don't think there is a team currently playing that doesn't look to take advantage of transitions one way or another.
In fact I think one of our issues under ETH was how poor we were at transitions. And that was low-mid or high positions. Something that under Ole we were outstanding at, easily one of the best sides at taking advantage of transitions.
Jürgen Klopps Liverpool were built on transitions mostly from High positions but still they had massive success from it.
Think one of our major keys going forward will be to be able to counter/transition from carrying the ball as opposed to hoofing it into the channels for runners. The former is far easier to do and harder to defend if you have the players capable (it's how Sporting shredded City recently), while the latter is much more predictable and requires almost inch perfect execution. Our goal Sunday being a perfect example with Amad being able to carry it past 3 men and getting a free run all the way into the box because of it, instead of what we've done in the past of trying to find Bruno so he can hit a hopeful ping to Rashford or something.
Whilst I agree, I will also point that whilst saying Amad done well, he did find Bruno who played a short one 2 rather than hitting a long hopeful ball to Rashford.
when is the presser for the game on Thursday?
Oh yeah my post wasn't a dig at Bruno, moreso pointing to there being a more effective way of playing in transition or on the break that we just haven't seen at United much. Mainly because we've lacked good ball carriers for YEARS, especially in midfield. Pogba and McTominay (and now Mainoo)are basically the only two that come to mind from the last decade or so, and the latter was such a horrid passer that his carries rarely made much of an impact.
Imagine blindly backing Ten Hag for months but after one game under this new guy you’re coming out with this
I’d ignore your gut if I was you if it had anything to do with your relentlessly backing of the previous Bloke.
I always admire how much discussion can happen over so little on this forum. One match and there's so many conclusions. Many of them bonkers.
Our players lack athleticism so a system that focuses on explosiveness and pace is the way to go?
Think I disagree on Martinez.
He likes to play high, tight and aggressively on the press. Evans doesn’t, hence him not doing too well the other day.
Martinez is also not too bad defensively in the channel (see some of his LB displays this season) so I feel he’ll be the LCB with some rotation with Shaw.
No, based on the players we have we are better off playing a different system then Amorim is setting out to do. If he gets enough time it could work, but I doubt that he will get it.
In literally one fecking game, with barely any preparation. Come on.
I’m not sure you really get it if I’m honest
He didn't get a lot of info from 2-3 training sessions so he must have relied on existing personnel for input. How much input do you think Fletcher had on the squad selection against Ipswich? Not necessarily what players were selected but the info he may have provided to Amorim that ultimately decided what players he selected for the match?
Well Amorim ain’t changing and he’ll certainly get the time. It’s been one game with a make shift line up after a couple of training sessions, give the guy a chance! If ETH got over 2 years and £600m and still didn’t have an identity then Amorim will definitely be given time and money to implement his vision. It’s already visible what he’s trying to do after one game, which is already a huge difference from ETH, not to mention he’s INEOS’s guy so they’ll afford him more patience.
Well at least you're giving him plenty of time...
Any fan questioning the manager's approach after one game is either on the wind up or has taken the wrong kind of mushroom.