Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Remember the geese]

One game in, and I already think we should play a system that fits our players. Amorim please prove me wrong.

What system fits this lot then? The one that took us to 8th last season? When you appoint Amorim, you appoint his desired system. Some players will be able to adapt and others won't. For those who won't, then they leave the football club and nothing is lost.

Amorim is going about it precisely the right way. Look to make changes from Day 1 and suffer the pain that comes with it. There's no point in waiting. The process will take long enough as it is, without delaying things further.

 

[Sarni]

Its all good to say now about "Short term pain for long term gain.". But patience has never been our fans' strong point.

yesterday itself we have had people questioning Amorim, his system, etc.

We will have ups and downs in the next few months, esp with 2 games a week till New years. Media will start jumping on the "Bash Amorim" bandwagon, and many of our fans will join that.

We are probably the most patient big club in Europe when it comes to managers. He’s in the right place if what he needs is time.

 

[DJ_21]

Its all good to say now about "Short term pain for long term gain.". But patience has never been our fans' strong point.

yesterday itself we have had people questioning Amorim, his system, etc.

We will have ups and downs in the next few months, esp with 2 games a week till New years. Media will start jumping on the "Bash Amorim" bandwagon, and many of our fans will join that.

I disagree. We probably have the most patient fans around when it comes to managers. Even after the draw against Ipswich the fans was blasting out Amorim’s name. Our fans aren’t stupid and are fully aware that players still need to move on and some need to adjust to a new system.

 

[romufc]

I find myself agreeing with you again. I like Amorim's interviews as you can see he was a player not too long ago, he speaks the truth without insulting or running down his players.

In his post match interviews, he mentioned the following:

1. Bruno venturing out of position and aiming too much for the long ball.

2. Evans not pressing up against Hutchinson.

3. Poor decision making.

4. Zirkzee needing to get into the box from deep more.

I agree with you that he's already probably got a good idea of which players cannot do what he needs them to do.

I dont know if that is a good thing us agreeing.... Joke

But yeah, he pulled out negatives about players positions in relation to his tactics rather than insulting his players..

The decision making is really important because you cannot coach that, the players seem to struggle with it.

I saw Hutchinson and Delap hold the ball of against our defenders time after time... Evans kept getting spun.

I mentioned in the Branthwaite chat that he is actually very crucial for us to sign because we need a strong quick CB there.. if we are expecting a CB to push to the opponents half, they need to be really good.

It will be interesting how this squad shapes up, we will know soon enough who his preferred players are. I am expecting a better showing in the Europa league as more players suited to his formation will play.

I expect Mount, Ugarte, Hojlund, Mainoo to come in.

 

[stepic]

One game in, and I already think we should play a system that fits our players. Amorim please prove me wrong.

Engagement bait

 

[dubplate warrior]

I dont know if that is a good thing us agreeing.... Joke

But yeah, he pulled out negatives about players positions in relation to his tactics rather than insulting his players..

The decision making is really important because you cannot coach that, the players seem to struggle with it.

I saw Hutchinson and Delap hold the ball of against our defenders time after time... Evans kept getting spun.

I mentioned in the Branthwaite chat that he is actually very crucial for us to sign because we need a strong quick CB there.. if we are expecting a CB to push to the opponents half, they need to be really good.

It will be interesting how this squad shapes up, we will know soon enough who his preferred players are. I am expecting a better showing in the Europa league as more players suited to his formation will play.

I expect Mount, Ugarte, Hojlund, Mainoo to come in.

Funny that, I mentioned him in a Reddevils (reddit) thread. We need centre backs who can cover ground in wide areas well, I do wonder whether in the long run Martinez's days are numbered.

Having seen Yoro a few times in France, I'd imagine he'll become a starter very quickly.

 

[romufc]

Funny that, I mentioned him in a Reddevils (reddit) thread. We need centre backs who can cover ground in wide areas well, I do wonder whether in the long run Martinez's days are numbered.

Having seen Yoro a few times in France, I'd imagine he'll become a starter very quickly.

I agree, that we need someone that can cover the ground and is imposing. Martinez days imo are numbered, we cannot have a LCB that will keep diving in and not keeping his head. He is more suited to a CCB rather than LCB. I can see us going for a LCB in the summer, this season I suspect Shaw will get game time there.

 

[saik]

He’s pretty much said he won’t do that?

Saying is very easy to actually doing that. Imagine if we are still in the bottom half of the table at the end of Jan with no sign of things improving? Is he still going to stick to his guns and stick to his system or is he going to change? I'll commend him if he sticks to his guns but it's very hard once the pressure starts to ramp up on you.

Honestly, let's ride it out. If you're in it for the long term you're going to have to be willing to take some adverse results. If by the beginning of next season the system is still looking like it doesn't work than I'll be worried, but the truth is he should play his way, and we should back him.

We said the same thing with ETH and he started to switch between systems because of the pressure of delivering results. It's why I hope we see Amorim's system work out soon.

And to be fair, if Amorim's system is good and if he is as highly rated at coaching as it seems to be, all this discussion would be pointless as we wouldn't be having any adverse results.

 

[crossy1686]

Its all good to say now about "Short term pain for long term gain.". But patience has never been our fans' strong point.

yesterday itself we have had people questioning Amorim, his system, etc.

We will have ups and downs in the next few months, esp with 2 games a week till New years. Media will start jumping on the "Bash Amorim" bandwagon, and many of our fans will join that.

We’ve given shite managers too much time, even when Ten Hag was fired there was still people asking for more time. We’re the only club in Europe who backs the manager over the players, it’s insane. Amourim will get this entire season as a free hit, but he has to win games. You can’t be the manager of Manchester United and lose games with the aim of winning games in 2 years time, no where in the world would accept that.

And Amorim only has a 2.5 year contract so he better start winning within that time frame otherwise it doesn’t matter what the fans think.

 

[GoodTimes]

He’s absolutely doing the right thing. We spent more than two years with Ten Haag kicking the can down the road trying to squeeze out results at the expense of any tangible and consistent style of play.

 

[bosskeano]

Makes you wonder how did seasoned players like Eriksen and Casemiro feel uncomfortable there? surely they had played that kind of pressing somewhere in their entire career....

simply bc they know if they get beat, they don't have the legs to recover

 

[bosskeano]

you have to put a bit of risk into learning the system on the fly and the players have to be willing to take that gamble....as a player i'd much prefer to be on the front foot then sitting back defending waiting to have a team attack us in numbers..the higher up the pitch you press and win the ball, the less you have to run


antoher thing i NEVER understood with EtH's system and Ruben mentioned it.....why the feck would a CB play a ball to the outside back and then run into midfield for a return pass??? like logically that makes ZERO sense

 

[Plant0x84]

The rumblings have started with some in the cafe wondering why a “4-2-2-2” was mentioned in a Ducker tweet. Of course if they actually listened to Amorim explain his system, they’d have the answer.

I swear some fans think this is still Sir Alex’s title winning squad and a new manager is all that is required to whip us into title contention overnight.

If you try to remind them of the damage done by the owners and successive managers to the club and the squad they start screaming about falling standards and it’s all the fans fault for allowing it.

This will be a long hard road back to the top, especially with the added complication of a system change and teaching the players new roles in the middle of the season. Results aren’t going to be what we’d like and we need a bit of resolve whilst we get good again.

As a wise man once said “your job now is to stick by our new manager..”

 

[Invictus]

Imagine you have your own vision and philosophy and then you decide to move away from it so you can adapt to that bunch of overpaid leeching undeserving cnuts, imagine if it was Pep instead. If he makes same decisions like RR, then not gonna feel sorry for him if all goes to shit.

4-2-2-2 ? What now...

Settle down, please! Amorim would do the same at Sporting CP, he is not flushing his principles down the drain or succumbing to some form of player power.

The central centerback would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the holding midfielder, leaving the left centerback and right centerback behind. The central midfielder would advance to form an impermanent pivot with one of the No. 10s. The other No. 10 would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the center forward. Depending on the positioning of the wingbacks, you could describe this “formation” during build-ups as a 4—2—2—2 or a 2—4—2—2.

10—CF
CM—10
CB—DM
WB—LCB—RCB—WB

10—CF
CM—10
WB—CB—DM—WB
LCB—RCB​

A lot of coaches do this because you get overloads and advantageous passing networks through the middle portion to quickly progress the ball up the pitch (without resorting to low-percentage long balls). They would also build-up with what could be described as a 4—2—4, a 3—2—5 et cetera.

P.S. This is what people allude to when they say you need specific profiles of players in key positions if you want to play Amorim style of football, Gasperini style of football, and so forth. If the goalkeeper is not good at splitting the wide centerbacks to form a 3 at the back, there are going to be issues. If the central centerback is not good at advancing up the pitch, there are going to be issues. If the wingbacks are not high-octane and good with their positioning, there are going to be issues. If the defensive midfielder is not good at pressing aggresively, there are going to be issues. And so on. Even small imperfections can have a domino effect, and adversely influence the team.

 

[Xaviboy]

antoher thing i NEVER understood with EtH's system and Ruben mentioned it.....why the feck would a CB play a ball to the outside back and then run into midfield for a return pass??? like logically that makes ZERO sense

yeah i noticed that alot watching us under ETH. Always wondering the CB would be out of postion if we lose possesion and we lost possesion all the time.

Brainless set up and coaching.

 

[The Firestarter]

Settle down, please! Amorim would do the same at Sporting CP, he is not flushing his principles down the drain or succumbing to some form of player power.

The central centerback would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the holding midfielder, leaving the left centerback and right centerback behind. The central midfielder would advance to form an impermanent pivot with one of the No. 10s. The other No. 10 would advance to form an impermanent pivot with the center forward. Depending on the positioning of the wingbacks, you could describe this “formation” during build-ups as a 4—2—2—2 or a 2—4—2—2.

10—CF
CM—10
CB—DM
WB—LCB—RCB—WB

10—CF
CM—10
WB—CB—DM—WB
LCB—RCB​

A lot of coaches do this because you get overloads and advantageous passing networks through the middle portion to quickly progress the ball up the pitch (without resorting to low-percentage long balls). They would also build-up with what could be described as a 4—2—4, a 3—2—5 et cetera.

P.S. This is what people allude to when they say you need specific profiles of players in key positions if you want to play Amorim style of football, Gasperini style of football, and so forth. If the goalkeeper is not good at splitting the wide centerbacks to form a 3 at the back, there are going to be issues. If the central centerback is not good at advancing up the pitch, there are going to be issues. If the wingbacks are not high-octane and good with their positioning, there are going to be issues. If the defensive midfielder is not good at pressing aggresively, there are going to be issues. And so on. Even small imperfections can have a domino effect, and adversely influence the team.

Thank you for this . It was a genuine question, I am not that familiar with the 3 at the back family of systems - I see that the nuance here is the CCB advancing up.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

One game in, and I already think we should play a system that fits our players. Amorim please prove me wrong.

The players don't fit the club.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

you have to put a bit of risk into learning the system on the fly and the players have to be willing to take that gamble....as a player i'd much prefer to be on the front foot then sitting back defending waiting to have a team attack us in numbers..the higher up the pitch you press and win the ball, the less you have to run


antoher thing i NEVER understood with EtH's system and Ruben mentioned it.....why the feck would a CB play a ball to the outside back and then run into midfield for a return pass??? like logically that makes ZERO sense

Ah the classic disappear into the crowd that our players usually do

 

[Escobar]

What system fits this lot then? The one that took us to 8th last season? When you appoint Amorim, you appoint his desired system. Some players will be able to adapt and others won't. For those who won't, then they leave the football club and nothing is lost.

Amorim is going about it precisely the right way. Look to make changes from Day 1 and suffer the pain that comes with it. There's no point in waiting. The process will take long enough as it is, without delaying things further.

True. And he also said the formation is 2nd, it is a general type of play and attitude he wants and then he is flexible to play with the formation.

 

[NLunited]

Engagement bait

Not this time, it’s my gut feeling that this won’t work. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong.

 

[NLunited]

What system suits the players?
What can you really take or grasp from 1 game and 2 training sessions?

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

 

[Cassidy]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

And what have we achieved as a club with that other the past 10 years?

Isn’t the point to move to something else? And after 1 game you’ve decided no already?

 

[ErikElevenHag]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

Yeah I'm sure it'll work eventually.

 

[The Firestarter]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

You are still on the EtH train aren't you?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[romufc]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

You do realise every team plays on the transition? From City to league 1, teams play on the transition, it is one of the best way to get goals.

Which is why, every underdog plays that way... If Counter attacking and deep block is the primary way of playing, it doesnt suit teams that want to challenge for anything because you go a goal down and that is the whole game plan out the window.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

We are probably the most patient big club in Europe when it comes to managers. He’s in the right place if what he needs is time.

Yeah I mean we still had people not wanting to sack Ten Hag and continue letting him have time to work it out. No one is more patient with managers than us.

 

[santeria13]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

Yeah and that worked brilliantly well with ETH in charge.

 

[Longshanks]

We all know the answer: a transition based system.

That's an incredibly broad church, I don't think there is a team currently playing that doesn't look to take advantage of transitions one way or another.

In fact I think one of our issues under ETH was how poor we were at transitions. And that was low-mid or high positions. Something that under Ole we were outstanding at, easily one of the best sides at taking advantage of transitions.

Jürgen Klopps Liverpool were built on transitions mostly from High positions but still they had massive success from it.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

You do realise every team plays on the transition? From City to league 1, teams play on the transition, it is one of the best way to get goals.

Which is why, every underdog plays that way... If Counter attacking and deep block is the primary way of playing, it doesnt suit teams that want to challenge for anything because you go a goal down and that is the whole game plan out the window.

Think one of our major keys going forward will be to be able to counter/transition from carrying the ball as opposed to hoofing it into the channels for runners. The former is far easier to do and harder to defend if you have the players capable (it's how Sporting shredded City recently), while the latter is much more predictable and requires almost inch perfect execution. Our goal Sunday being a perfect example with Amad being able to carry it past 3 men and getting a free run all the way into the box because of it, instead of what we've done in the past of trying to find Bruno so he can hit a hopeful ping to Rashford or something.

 

[romufc]

Think one of our major keys going forward will be to be able to counter/transition from carrying the ball as opposed to hoofing it into the channels for runners. The former is far easier to do and harder to defend if you have the players capable (it's how Sporting shredded City recently), while the latter is much more predictable and requires almost inch perfect execution. Our goal Sunday being a perfect example with Amad being able to carry it past 3 men and getting a free run all the way into the box because of it, instead of what we've done in the past of trying to find Bruno so he can hit a hopeful ping to Rashford or something.

Whilst I agree, I will also point that whilst saying Amad done well, he did find Bruno who played a short one 2 rather than hitting a long hopeful ball to Rashford.