Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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When they were young sure.
yeah, both our transfer business and our coaching has been piss poor in this regard.
Thats exactly where, i hope Amorim can shake up both the players and the structure around and above him.
One game in, and I already think we should play a system that fits our players. Amorim please prove me wrong.
Did you not hear anything he said?
What?!
I know alot of people will get onto me but Amorim had only himself to blame in that game.
If as fans claim (I did as well) that he watched the previous games back on video, he would have known that a midfield of Casemiro and Eriksen does not provide legs or intensity, then complains about lack of physicality.
Well what did he expect? those ageing players who have been looking lost and outfought in midfield to all of a sudden to become more intense?
Then he talked about possession and then played Rashford and Garnacho who cannot hold a football?
He needs to realise quick and fast which of the players can play his style.
If as fans claim (I did as well) that he watched the previous games back on video, he would have known that a midfield of Casemiro and Eriksen does not provide legs or intensity, then complains about lack of physicality.
Well what did he expect? those ageing players who have been looking lost and outfought in midfield to all of a sudden to become more intense?
Then he talked about possession and then played Rashford and Garnacho who cannot hold a football?
He needs to realise quick and fast which of the players can play his style.
True but I don't think he had many options, Mainoo and Ugarte were lacking fitness. After that it's just Collyer and Gore. He doesn't seem deluded from what I can tell.
Plus wingbacks should have been positioned higher up the pitch so midfield aren't dragged out into the wide areas which is where the lack of athleticism most obvious
He has to work with what he has for now. What other options did he have for midfield? Casemiro and Eriksen trained all week. Ugarte was late back from international duty and was clearly not fit enough to start. He can't invent players.
Whilst I agree with both, I just think that it is kind of obvious that when you go with Casemiro and Eriksen you do lost alot in physicality.
Whilst I see that you mention that Ugarte was late back but so was Garnacho and he started.. both had to travel far. Eriksen was also away on international duty.
I kind of saw maybe why Eriksen started for possession but he was really bad in the game and we couldn't progress the ball.
Every manager at the start of their reign will talk a good game, Ten Hag did as well, when he spoke about control and rest defence even when we were winning games. Ole, Rangnick all spoke well because they are talking about someone else's team and players.
The only way I start believing him is on the pitch, too many managers have come and spoken a good game in the first season only to lose it in year 2.
SORRY ITS THE PLAYERS
I agree. That lineup was more down to availability and fitness. It’s a long season we don’t need to rush players into games where we really should still compete enough with rotating.
Maybe Ugarte was more tired from the Internationals than Garnacho, every player is assessed individually.
Time to hold your horses and be very patient.
Garnacho was an unused sub in midweek whereas Ugarte played 90 minutes. I think that was the difference.
4-2-2-2 ? What now...
The rumblings have started with some in the cafe wondering why a “4-2-2-2” was mentioned in a Ducker tweet. Of course if they actually listened to Amorim explain his system, they’d have the answer.Poor performance against Bodo on Thursday ought to be enough…
If there are a lot, name them then. Don't just say something and not follow up on it.
Different energy to what you gave the previous boss, why is that?
Great idea, let's revert to playing a low block and counter with a mish mash of players after bringing in a manager to help establish a defined style of play!
Well we should hope he picks up results with his preferred system otherwise he's going to end up like ETH and switch systems up to chase results.
Imagine you have your own vision and philosophy and then you decide to move away from it so you can adapt to that bunch of overpaid leeching undeserving cnuts, imagine if it was Pep instead. If he makes same decisions like RR, then not gonna feel sorry for him if all goes to shit.
He’s pretty much said he won’t do that?
Honestly, let's ride it out. If you're in it for the long term you're going to have to be willing to take some adverse results. If by the beginning of next season the system is still looking like it doesn't work than I'll be worried, but the truth is he should play his way, and we should back him.
Maybe, Ifs, buts and maybe's.... Eriksen played both games and we have seen over the year that he struggles.
Exactly. I don't understand how some people after one game have decided they'd rather abandon the system the manager utilises.
What's the point of signing a manager if we're not willing to implement his vision? We would have been better of keeping Ruud if that's what you wanted. Madness.
Yep, after all these players have helped us win multiple PL and CL titles!
I believe he had one session with Ugarte. I wouldn't read too much into line ups just yet. Let's see what happens in a month.
The good thing is it seems he has the full backing of the hierarchy. The way he is speaking, they have told him, it is your way of playing, the reason why you are here.
It is quite clear to see that the players are lacking, they cannot pass the ball to each other and they are very bad at duels.
I think the point that really stuck with me was when Amorim said something with the lines of.. the players dont need to be coached decision making, they should have it.... which is a clear sign that some of the players do not have a future here.
What system is that? There is no system that suits some of these players.
Alot of players are lacking in many things.. most are those of a core footballer.. intensity and ball control.
What system suits the players?
What can you really take or grasp from 1 game and 2 training sessions?
I find myself agreeing with you again. I like Amorim's interviews as you can see he was a player not too long ago, he speaks the truth without insulting or running down his players.
In his post match interviews, he mentioned the following:
1. Bruno venturing out of position and aiming too much for the long ball.
2. Evans not pressing up against Hutchinson.
3. Poor decision making.
4. Zirkzee needing to get into the box from deep more.
I agree with you that he's already probably got a good idea of which players cannot do what he needs them to do.
Decided long time ago that any new manager that comes with "everyone will get a clean slate to prove themself" or drops his way of play or fav formation because of those cnuts aint gonna get sympathy from me.
What system fits this lot then? The one that took us to 8th last season? When you appoint Amorim, you appoint his desired system. Some players will be able to adapt and others won't. For those who won't, then they leave the football club and nothing is lost.
Amorim is going about it precisely the right way. Look to make changes from Day 1 and suffer the pain that comes with it. There's no point in waiting. The process will take long enough as it is, without delaying things further.
We are probably the most patient big club in Europe when it comes to managers. He’s in the right place if what he needs is time.
I disagree. We probably have the most patient fans around when it comes to managers. Even after the draw against Ipswich the fans was blasting out Amorim’s name. Our fans aren’t stupid and are fully aware that players still need to move on and some need to adjust to a new system.
I dont know if that is a good thing us agreeing.... Joke
But yeah, he pulled out negatives about players positions in relation to his tactics rather than insulting his players..
The decision making is really important because you cannot coach that, the players seem to struggle with it.
I saw Hutchinson and Delap hold the ball of against our defenders time after time... Evans kept getting spun.
I mentioned in the Branthwaite chat that he is actually very crucial for us to sign because we need a strong quick CB there.. if we are expecting a CB to push to the opponents half, they need to be really good.
It will be interesting how this squad shapes up, we will know soon enough who his preferred players are. I am expecting a better showing in the Europa league as more players suited to his formation will play.
I expect Mount, Ugarte, Hojlund, Mainoo to come in.