I don't think he'll get far pulling that with the coach.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I think from the list of managers that INEOS had shortlisted and were linked to replacing ETH in the summer (Southgate, Frank, Tuchel, Nagelsmann) , a back 3 game model is how they envision the club to play moving forward, at least in the near future.
If Amorim doesn't work out, they'll probably go out and get another back 3 manager. And I don't think they're as rare as you implied.
What even is Manchester United at this point?
Was excited, then saw it was written by Carl Anka
I can't wait. Buzzing for his first presser, assuming that is tomorrow?
I have a feeling some of the "oh I can't be excited because I've been burned before" types of posts are strategic. They'll be reeled out and used as receipts if he fails as 'told you so's'.
No he wont. He will be playing wing back.
When we have the ball he will play as a winger but off the ball Amorim actually plays a 5-4-1.. which means the wing backs play as defenders too.
Lets be honest here, being a United fan over the past 10 years or so has mainly been an exercise in getting excited about the potential of turning a corner than it has the actual reality of our situation. If you can't get excited for a new manager or after what seems like a good transfer window then I think you have probably had a miserable time of supporting United for the most part.
I'm really excited for Amorim and until the reality tells me otherwise I will be positive about the appointment. Can't be shit forever eh
I'm really excited for Amorim and until the reality tells me otherwise I will be positive about the appointment. Can't be shit forever eh
I think wingbacks are considered like "shuttlebus" players - running up and down, but always on the same wide path. Tony Valencia - esque. This is ONE of the ways to play them, but from what I've heard wingbacks in Amorims system can play much more "sophisticated" role.
The thing is, in "modern" 4231 any wide player is supposed to do more defensive work than Rashford&Garnacho combined, so we have that problem regardless of the formation we play.
Personally I am not worried about this system with wingbacks, but I also believe if you play 3 CBs then the midfield 4 need to be very good on the ball in tight spaces as they will always be outnumbered.
For those 2 reasons above I think Rashford is finished here if Amorim sticks to 343.
Oh absolutely. There in like a win-win situation. If he doesn’t get of to a good start they’ll be like ‘I knew it’ but if we get of to a flying start then they’ll be happy to be proved wrong.
I’m not sure about this. Having 3 at the back gives us more advantage when building from the back and having wingbacks gives us a lot more width where they’ll probably be a lot of space out there against most teams. If we’re playing against teams that play a 4-3-3, they’ll have 3 narrow midfielders so that means there full backs will have to push up to close down our Wingbacks which then leaves space in behind them for our attackers to thrive.
Strategic for what? Is there some sort of special award for being right on an internet forum?
No but it helps people’s heads grow bigger.
Yeah. The Poster gets +100 aura
Exactly. the 343 actually just makes modern day formations easier. The managers that use a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 with inverted full backs, that needs extra coaching, a 343 just takes that extra coaching out.
Most clubs build in a 3 anyway, they tuck their full backs in or CDM drops.
It actually makes marking the WB;s hard because is it the full back or winger that marks ? If its the full back, the wingers have no one to mark. It also gives us a defensive advantage that we wont be done 2 v 4 as we will have 3 CB's
Other teams fans will say differentlyLets be honest here, being a United fan over the past 10 years or so has mainly been an exercise in getting excited about the potential of turning a corner than it has the actual reality of our situation. If you can't get excited for a new manager or after what seems like a good transfer window then I think you have probably had a miserable time of supporting United for the most part.
I'm really excited for Amorim and until the reality tells me otherwise I will be positive about the appointment. Can't be shit forever eh
fecking hell can I use that to buy new skins/emotes/redcafe dance moves/merch?
Being right on the internet is pretty much the internet in a nutshell.
Exactly, have to enjoy the journey. The dark days will make it sweeter when we are fighting at the top again. I have to believe this, ha.
Even if you ignore the percentiles and just compare his raw numbers to players Amorim has used at wingback (Porro, Mendes, Quenda, Nuno Santos), Antony gets through significantly more defensive work in all thirds than any of them did at Sporting.
Tomorrow, yea.
I think it’s allowed to be a little excited about a coach who, after he started his 3-4-3 after two games at Casa Pia in Portuguese second flight, was promoted three times within his next 42 games where he notched up 35 victories 4 draws and 3 losses.
We haven't played a flat 4-4-2 since before SAF left, and even after SAF when we have started with a flat back 4 they have more often than not moved in possession to a 3.
In answer to "the United way" if we are attacking at pace with flair, bringing through players from our academy who go on to be world beaters, fighting until the 95th minute, that is the Utd way and then I reckon it doesn't matter what formation we are playing.
As for specialising, as I see it our issue now is that we do not have Luke Shaw fit, if we did he would be a shoe in for LWB, if we are signing a LWB and a RWB and then we switched back to a flat back 4 we would still either have players good enough to play FB or on the wing, the issue is not having these players but finding them, if we have enough CB to play a back 3 not sure how that becomes a problem, in the fullness of time we might need to sell one or two but as long as we do not pay daft wages we should be ok, if we have 2+ midfielders capable of playing 6 then that is a massive improvement of an issue we have had for years, multiple players capable of playing 8 and 10, again cannot see the issue, I just do not get how we will end up with a team another manager will not be able to use, we might end up with excess players for some positions and need to cut some, and sign a couple more, but it will not be a wholesale change 1 - 11, and even if we signed a new manger who played the same system you would still expect at the very least a few in and a few out.
The worst case as I see it under Amorim, if he doesn't work out would be potentially losing Rashford and/or Garnacho if they do not work under his system, then not having that talent if playing with traditional wingers.... funny though how everybody wants to jump of Rashford and Garnacho for not tracking back, now we are moaning about signing/playing wing backs who will be tracking back.
If I had my way all football would go back to 4-4-2 it is just a lot better to watch, maybe it will come around again someday
Very well said. I feel like some people are now trying to go the other way in terms of fighting the excitement and forcing themselves to view everything from a pessimistic lens. I'm in the same boat as you, I'm exited for a new beginning, hoping for the best and if things once again go south, then be it, we'll just move on and start over again.
This is why I dont get why people are like It doesnt matter if we lose, as long as we see signs of improvement..
Bollox to that, I want us to do both, win and show a style of play.
We have hired a coach that has history of doing this, he goes into clubs and has an instant impact.
If Amorim is really all about Team, then you can add me in to the excited camp. Best thing is we will see it soon enough.
I certainly hope everyone who is saying they will back the manager actually does.
The reason Ten Hag was popular in S1 is he took out players that fans didnt like, Maguire, AWB etc..
Lets actually back the manager regardless of who he picks?
My energy exactly. The media will do what the media does and build our managers up and try to tear them down. But hell, getting excited about a new manager is the most football fan thing on Earth. It's a fresh start! Live a little!
Got any more of them training videos ?
?Got any more of them training videos
The club dont want to be releasing too much footage.. obviously the first one was more of a PR stunt to get fans excited and geared up for the Ipswich game.
Many are definitely afraid of being told later that they were wrong and some will stick to their guns just because they had a particular opinion in the past. Just look the end of ETH's stint, some of the pro ETH thought that it was noble to ignore reality just because they were in favor of his signing 2 years ago. Also on the internet if you adapt your opinion to new informations then you are morally bankrupt.
Yep, it seems like people forget what an opinion is and that with new facts and knowledge it can change.
Especially in football, opinions can change very quickly.
Ten Hag at the time was a very good option, based on his achievements then, the opinion was he was the guy... once we hired him and saw him for 2 years, thats 2 years worth of evidence and new facts, you can change your opinion on that.
On the internet it is used to beat people about, if their opinions are not the same as yours.
Can you show any example posts that's pessimistic?
He seems like a nice guy, but I can't really take Anka as an objective writer, particularly when it comes to questions of player power (specifically Rashford), given that he co-wrote a book with Rashy.
I mean, when have United ever had a manager who's primary formation is 343? We are actually reverting to a back 3 with wingbacks, after playing a back 4 with fullbacks for decades without change.
It's not new to other teams who've had continental managers. For us it's a new era and new beginning, the new formation alone is definitely something to be excited about.
Im intrigued, excited, It's not been done here! In that respect also, it's even more different from the Eth appointment, Eth didn't bring anything new in terms of set up.
We are somewhat venturing into the unknown, if you can't get excited about that!
It's not new to other teams who've had continental managers. For us it's a new era and new beginning, the new formation alone is definitely something to be excited about.
Im intrigued, excited, It's not been done here! In that respect also, it's even more different from the Eth appointment, Eth didn't bring anything new in terms of set up.
We are somewhat venturing into the unknown, if you can't get excited about that!
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I think the general consensus is that people are tired of greedy and lazy players, and if he's truly all about the team then those players will be shipped out - combined with wins and an actual style of football then he'll get all the backing he needs.
Sorry about North Atlantic weather, Reuben. Now you’ve signed up and done NDA, let’s chat. It only gets worse. Survival instincts may kick in (only if your ancestors were whalers or something). Three-four what? Crossing the ball around here can result in football coming to earth in next county.
Two years down the line
"But his Sporting team played so well!"
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"But his Sporting team played so well!"
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I’ve see a few. Mainly in the vein of “not sure what’s going to change if the last 6 managers didn’t work”.
Also think people are making a bit too much over formations. Modern football is so fluid that starting formations don’t matter as much as the actual build up style/patterns and out of possession approach/structure.
Someone can play 442 and be defensive as feck or be 98/99 United. Same way for 3/5 at the back formations.
Someone can play 442 and be defensive as feck or be 98/99 United. Same way for 3/5 at the back formations.
Excited, yes but with the caveat that probably things will go sideways a bit before we see results. I fully intend to enjoy our games regardless.