He does smile alot, articulate and cheerful. Give it sometime.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
Only here we would be having a serious discussion about the manager formation how bad or good it is, all that before he play his first match. 
I'm not sure if I get your point here.
Physical conditioning to and mental sharpness. Our two major issues.
Atleast he is working on the right issues. Though both will take a lot of time to correct.
Intensity is also the requirement of Rangnick and ETH. Both of them are failed to let some players to improve, hope that Amorim can do that.. Good Luck..
But..i don't know why some of our players lack of intensity which is the basic requirement of modern top football.
That's cause of Amsterdam elitism.
Listening to the Guardian football weekly pod today and they basically said that winning the 1st game is not an indicator of how well he’ll do. The last 4 to win their 1st game were Moyes, Mourinho, OGS and I think Sexton.
So, whatever happens v Ipswich I hope this place doesn’t go too nuts, one way or the other.
So, whatever happens v Ipswich I hope this place doesn’t go too nuts, one way or the other.
We havent played a single minute under Amorim and people are already worried about the formation.
It’s much harder to do at this level. What I think some people are saying is that if the way to success next year is through implementing a new system in which our players will inevitably make mistakes until they settle and thus lose some games we might’ve otherwise won with a more pragmatic coach, then that is what we should do. Obviously, everyone would prefer to both win everything right away, it’s just that, well, that ain’t gonna happen. What we should aim for is improvement month by month and year by year so we’ll be title contenders every year again.
Yeah, a bit stupid indeed. At the end of the day, formation is the least important. Winning games and playing exciting football is what gets most sane fans going
Both will take time but a lot also depends on leadership and the kind of support Amorim gets. If he gets backed 100%, even when there are issues with certain players, I am sure the others will follow quickly or be sold in summer latest. All he needs to do is stick to his principles, unlike ETH who did so in the first season and then things changed
Of all the criticisms of a 434, wingbacks can never be stars / great players is a new one. Why can’t you get all the star quality or offensive class from your CF and two AMs? And maybe some from a win back or CM? Post recruitment / changes obviously.
I don’t know if it’ll work but with a new manager I prefer to go in with an open kind as much as possible.
I don’t know if it’ll work but with a new manager I prefer to go in with an open kind as much as possible.
Abso-feckimg-loutelyOnly here we would be having a serious discussion about the manager formation how bad or good it is, all that before he play his first match.
Entitlement? Ego? Insecurities of various types? Minor injuries/discomfort? Laziness? Being distracted? Resentment and frustration?
What time the presser today? Might tune in for that
Maybe all included plus money is easy to earn in i-Banker era..
I have always thought our issues just tend to snowball at the club. When results don't come, players stop working as they should and the issue compound. Its very hard to get players to keep doing something that doesn't seem to be bearing any fruit. Once a few players stop putting in the work, the rest tend to follow.
Once you are at United there is generally little else to work towards. You probably won't get paid more elsewhere or be looking to show your talent to move to a bigger club so your motivations need to be internal or coming from the teams performance.
All of the top sides of the past decade in the PL have taken a little time to bed in (apart from City but Pep took over them still at the top). The difference is, Liverpool and Arsenal of late showed strong signs of progress on their way to being top sides. Players could see where they were going and where their work would ultimately lead. You need that constant feedback that things are working. You can be inconsistent but you need to see the managers vision coming alive on the pitch regularly to buy into it.
I don't know if that ever really happened under EtH. He would occasionally have a very different view of games to the fans and I don't know if that was just putting a positive spin on things or protecting his players or he genuinely liked what he saw but I can't imagine the players were overly excited if the manager told them "this was a great performance and this is what I want all the time" when it was a pretty poor performance. Who knows.
Once you are at United there is generally little else to work towards. You probably won't get paid more elsewhere or be looking to show your talent to move to a bigger club so your motivations need to be internal or coming from the teams performance.
All of the top sides of the past decade in the PL have taken a little time to bed in (apart from City but Pep took over them still at the top). The difference is, Liverpool and Arsenal of late showed strong signs of progress on their way to being top sides. Players could see where they were going and where their work would ultimately lead. You need that constant feedback that things are working. You can be inconsistent but you need to see the managers vision coming alive on the pitch regularly to buy into it.
I don't know if that ever really happened under EtH. He would occasionally have a very different view of games to the fans and I don't know if that was just putting a positive spin on things or protecting his players or he genuinely liked what he saw but I can't imagine the players were overly excited if the manager told them "this was a great performance and this is what I want all the time" when it was a pretty poor performance. Who knows.
Crazy insight that
Or he has his strengths and communication isn't among them.
Not just worried about the now but worried about what the formation means for the future of the club
I mean this is one of the few periods of time where we have nothing going on to worry about and we can at least try to get excited about maybe things going right
Gruel and fish eyes. Slim pickings for nay-sayers and trolls and doom mongers. But they still do their best, bless ‘em.Not just worried about the now but worried about what the formation means for the future of the club
I mean this is one of the few periods of time where we have nothing going on to worry about and we can at least try to get excited about maybe things going right
That too.
Cause 3 in the back isnt the United way.Not just worried about the now but worried about what the formation means for the future of the club
I mean this is one of the few periods of time where we have nothing going on to worry about and we can at least try to get excited about maybe things going right
Or something.
As long as we start to see his vision on playing style and match by match we get slightly better by it, the first few games results shouldn’t be a baton to bash him with if we lose a couple. The first few games will give Ruben an insight of who works in the system and who doesn’t and he can build from there. Let’s hope the fans see this as well and give him time to work.
Am sure Matt busby played 2-3-5 in the old days. Wasn’t that the United way?
To me, I don’t have a damn about tactics, formations. I look at HOW the player is playing. The United way is to play with passion, speed, excitement and flair.
If he gets the team pulling in the same direction and every player accountable for their individual performances regardless of status, then who he picks becomes less and less of an issue.
Ten hag started well on the player management side, but then bizarrely sunk into a Rashy and Bruno trap when he couldn't get his ideas across the pitch.
If he can sneak an extra player on to the pitch it would be a real game changer.
Exactly what I mean, fans will start this again. When Bruno and Rashford, mainly Rashford being the reason why he had a successful season 1.
So I can see fans turning on him if Bruno and Rashford continue to play.. regardless of when they say "I will back the manager"
If Ruben wears a turtle neck sweater on Sunday then he’s dead to me.
And the transfer forum broke
First real test on Sunday.
Please allow him to do what Fergie did with regards to getting rid of a lot of senior players and blooding in hungry motivated youth from the academy. I hope the new ownership forgets this nonsense about value retention and gets rid of a lot of our underperforming senior players. Give Amorim the trust and time. First time I've been this excited about watching us play.
I’m not particularly blown away by the quality of our squad, but the insinuation that there is a boatload of senior players ready to walk the plank really isn’t close to reality.
There are some older players who won’t get renewals (Evans, Lindelof, Eriksen, Maguire), and some players who we might actively look to push on elsewhere (Antony, Casemiro), but the vast majority of the first team squad is here to stay.
The floor of the squad is good and we need to raise the ceiling in the market going forward, but there won’t be a clearout. If anything, we did that in the summer.
Your post made me recall how Dani Alves was the main man in that Sevilla side of the mid 2000s (?). A fullback/wingback!
Other than him, Hakimi, Marcelo, even Evra comes to mind as being key attackers. Of course, not discounting the likes of the greats like Maldini, Cafu, Carlos. But not sure if any of them ever played in a back 5.
Another example might be Angelinho.
I’m in this boat, too. I want Amorim to do well here. Is there anyone who doesn’t? I’m not particularly excited or optimistic about that happening, though, which isn’t really anything to do with him. Like I was with Ten Hag, I’d just like to see him given a proper shot (with some smart recruitment at the top end of the club this time).
It’s amazing how a bit of charisma can get almost universal buy-in before we have kicked a ball. All for it, I’m excited
For the first time in ages I'm really looking forward to our game this weekend. Been burnt one or 5 times before, but this really does feel like the start of a new era.
Hopefully, I still feel the same way by Christmas!
Hopefully, I still feel the same way by Christmas!
I've had feelings like this too, but unless you actually believe in real life curses, we've got to get it right at some point. Be it with Ruben or the next guy. If clubs like fecking Spurs who even throughout our horrible past decade have been worse domestically, can look semi competent on the football pitch, we definitely can.