Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[NLunited]

Anything below 10ºC is pretty cold!

People start dieing when temp reaches 0ºC around here.

Lowest record temperature in Lisbon in November since 1981 is 4.3º C

It gets 30 below here sometimes.

 

[mav_9me]

I’m trying to hold out a little hope that we won’t do this wing back business, at least in the long term. Specialist full backs and specialist wingers are far more likely to be world class players IMO. To play as a winger for a top club, you need to be very good, like a Salah or Diaz. A wing back will almost certainly never have their quality going forward. I fear they are likely to just be full backs who are poor at defending (but not good enough to be the wingers they probably want to be), fullbacks who are good at defending and will never have the quality to consistently be the forward wide player (someone like Mazraoui for example, brilliant full back, but will not scare full backs in his own right), or you will have ‘offensive versions’, which are wingers who are probably not good enough to be Salah in their own right.

Having two of such players in your ten is an unnecessary quality sacrifice to me, I’d much prefer to just try and get a Vinicius and a Luke Shaw in the team who are genuinely world class players, than a Dan Ndoye, who may be amongst the better options at WB.

All of the above is just personal preference of mine, but I’d rather a top class forward player constantly receiving the ball high and wide than someone like Mazraoui. I appreciate that Conte has won the PL with this system, but I see it generally as a more defensive setup with essentially 5 defenders, and even if I hear a coach wants to opt for a winger in that role, something tells me that they would never put Robben, Vinicius, Salah etc there, so the winger will be mediocre in all likelihood. I feel like it’s not a real role and not a position anyone grows up and trains for. It’s for failed players, broadly speaking.

Also, being something of a traditionalist, I like central defensive partnerships. I was hoping a player like Yoro would come in and really stake a claim and challenge Saliba as the heir to VDV in the PL, but that conversation changes as some sort of ‘RCB’ or whatever, which almost doesn’t count in the conversation.

Of course, none of this would matter more than us being successful, but yea, I’m just a man who watches football saying how I like my football, for whatever very little that’s worth of course.

Very fair post. That's possibly why I'm not that excited by Amorim but still holding out hope for some pressing and pass and move

 

[Grande]

Who says I'm not excited?

I'm very hopeful that his methods and qualities as a coach can and will improve our players and how they perform. I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table. Can't wait for the Ipswich game honestly to see even the minor changes he'll make. I just think we should let him prove himself before declaring that the way he smiles is the reason he's the right man for the job.

But beyond that I do find the boom and bust cycle of unchecked excitement to total desolation, where the manager/head coach goes from the greatest thing since sliced bread to a fraud that doesn't have any understanding of football, quite tedious and counterproductive to any actual discussion.

Another matter is that I’m not all that excited about sliced bread.

 

[croadyman]

Very fair post. That's possibly why I'm not that excited by Amorim but still holding out hope for some pressing and pass and move

I can understand you feeling apprehension, however still think there should be a little excitement

 

[BaguetteBoy]

Antony's defensive stats from FBref. Would he make a really good Amorim LWB like Nuno Santos?

Didn’t he have a massive meltdown when ETH played him LB against Liverpool extra time FA cup?

 

[NLunited]

Didn’t he have a massive meltdown when ETH played him LB against Liverpool extra time FA cup?

yes

 

[JB08]

Antony's defensive stats from FBref. Would he make a really good Amorim LWB like Nuno Santos?

I think you are misusing these stats a little.

They are purely saying he does these things more often, in absolute terms, than other wingers/attackers, right? Not how well he does them, or his actual success rates etc - there is no indication he would be a good wing back from these stats alone.