Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

DJ_21 said:
Oh absolutely. There in like a win-win situation. If he doesn’t get of to a good start they’ll be like ‘I knew it’ but if we get of to a flying start then they’ll be happy to be proved wrong.
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Robbie Boy said:
I have a feeling some of the "oh I can't be excited because I've been burned before" types of posts are strategic. They'll be reeled out and used as receipts if he fails as 'told you so's'.
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I am one of the group you both mention, I really don’t feel any excitement or great expectations of change. I don’t expect him to fail either, it’s just an apathetic feeling of de ja vu. Nothing strategic about it, it’s just being honest about how I feel.
Obviously I hope it goes well for Amorim, and maybe the excitement will build as we see his development of the team but I certainly won’t be crowing about being right if he doesn’t work out.
 
romufc said:
This is why I dont get why people are like It doesnt matter if we lose, as long as we see signs of improvement..

Bollox to that, I want us to do both, win and show a style of play.

We have hired a coach that has history of doing this, he goes into clubs and has an instant impact.
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I’d like us to win too. And play well! If I see signs of that, seeds and saplings, I mostly enjoy football.
 
Bo_devil said:
How can you not be intrigued or excited about a change of formation, cmon really?
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LVG had a philosophy, Mourinho had footballing heritage, Ole had vibes, Rangnick was going to revolutionise our pressing game, Ten Hag was going to make us the best transition team in the world etc etc… let’s see it on the pitch before we wet our collective pants. Thats where I’m at.
 
Plant0x84 said:
LVG had a philosophy, Mourinho had footballing heritage, Ole had vibes, Rangnick was going to revolutionise our pressing game, Ten Hag was going to make us the best transition team in the world etc etc… let’s see it on the pitch before we wet our collective pants. Thats where I’m at.
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Sure, but they all played with back 4's. You can go back through history and every United manager has predominantly played a back 4.
Therefore, Amorim is the odd one out, no matter how people are trying to dress it up. This is a clear shift, never seen before in United's history. It's intriguing and exciting !!
 
Bo_devil said:
Sure, but they all played with back 4's. You can go back through history and every United manager has predominantly played a back 4.
Therefore, Amorim is the odd one out, no matter how people are trying to dress it up. This is a clear shift, never seen before in United's history. It's intriguing and exciting !!
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Back three is just a formation on paper. It's how you approach the game that matters.
 
Bo_devil said:
I mean, when have United ever had a manager who's primary formation is 343? We are actually reverting to a back 3 with wingbacks, after playing a back 4 with fullbacks for decades without change.

It's not new to other teams who've had continental managers. For us it's a new era and new beginning, the new formation alone is definitely something to be excited about.

Im intrigued, excited, It's not been done here! In that respect also, it's even more different from the Eth appointment, Eth didn't bring anything new in terms of set up.

We are somewhat venturing into the unknown, if you can't get excited about that!
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I'm excited about the new chapter in United's history, but for me football is a lot less about formations and tactics than it is the ability and the desire to seize the moment. With some rare exceptions, such as the Mainoo goal in the FA Cup final, we''ve seen very little craft and guile and intensity of spirit during the post-Ferguson era.

We shall see what the Amorim era brings us. Fine, bring us a 343 but I'm looking for a manager who instills belief in each other and execution when the half chance in attack presents itself and anticipation and courage in our third.
 
lex talionis said:
I'm excited about the new chapter in United's history, but for me football is a lot less about formations and tactics than it is the ability and the desire to seize the moment. With some rare exceptions, such as the Mainoo goal in the FA Cup final, we''ve seen very little craft and guile and intensity of spirit during the post-Ferguson era.

We shall see what the Amorim era brings us. Fine, bring us a 343 but I'm looking for a manager who instills belief in each other and execution when the half chance in attack presents itself and anticipation and courage in our third.
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Yes i'm hoping for these things too. Time will tell.
 
DJ_21 said:
I’m not sure about this. Having 3 at the back gives us more advantage when building from the back and having wingbacks gives us a lot more width where they’ll probably be a lot of space out there against most teams. If we’re playing against teams that play a 4-3-3, they’ll have 3 narrow midfielders so that means there full backs will have to push up to close down our Wingbacks which then leaves space in behind them for our attackers to thrive.
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How having 3 at the back gives us advantage when building from the back? Recycling the ball between GK and CBs was never an issue for us even under Ole/ETH second season; the problem is progressing the ball to the forwards, something we struggle with massively. Having 3 at the back means that they will see plenty of the ball, and a wall of players in front of them - that means either
a) one of CBs will need to travel with the ball forward (we don't have that type of CB)
b) midfielders will need to drop back to collect the ball (I am not sure if we have midfielders suited to it)
c) we will try to progress through wings (as we always do by default anyway, because that's where the space always is)

I am not putting too much emphasis on formation, it's far more interesting what role each one plays. Shaw would be a perfect LCB in that formation because of his ability to run with the ball forward, which has been our main way to progress the ball under Ole for example (and quite effective at that). I would not be surprised to see Mazraoui at RCB at times for example, as I think we'll be missing this type of CB.
 
lex talionis said:
I'm excited about the new chapter in United's history, but for me football is a lot less about formations and tactics than it is the ability and the desire to seize the moment. With some rare exceptions, such as the Mainoo goal in the FA Cup final, we''ve seen very little craft and guile and intensity of spirit during the post-Ferguson era.

We shall see what the Amorim era brings us. Fine, bring us a 343 but I'm looking for a manager who instills belief in each other and execution when the half chance in attack presents itself and anticipation and courage in our third.
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Now I’m excited.
 
Borys said:
How having 3 at the back gives us advantage when building from the back? Recycling the ball between GK and CBs was never an issue for us even under Ole/ETH second season; the problem is progressing the ball to the forwards, something we struggle with massively. Having 3 at the back means that they will see plenty of the ball, and a wall of players in front of them - that means either
a) one of CBs will need to travel with the ball forward (we don't have that type of CB)
b) midfielders will need to drop back to collect the ball (I am not sure if we have midfielders suited to it)
c) we will try to progress through wings (as we always do by default anyway, because that's where the space always is)

I am not putting too much emphasis on formation, it's far more interesting what role each one plays. Shaw would be a perfect LCB in that formation because of his ability to run with the ball forward, which has been our main way to progress the ball under Ole for example (and quite effective at that). I would not be surprised to see Mazraoui at RCB at times for example, as I think we'll be missing this type of CB.
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Yup. Not a big fan of 3 CBs when our forwards are poor and we struggle for goals.
 
NLunited said:
Now I’m excited.
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When I watch United from the mid 90s to the late 00s I see a completely different brand of football than what we've watched over the last decade. There's no going back as the game has moved on from that era but I want to see more passion, more risks taken, and fewer square passes and walking around waiting for someone to do something.
 
lex talionis said:
When I watch United from the mid 90s to the late 00s I see a completely different brand of football than what we've watched over the last decade. There's no going back as the game has moved on from that era but I want to see more passion, more risks taken, and fewer square passes and walking around waiting for someone to do something.
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I’m waiting for the moment where the players can execute the tactics without thinking about it and fully express themselves.

When you have to think it is already too late.
 
lex talionis said:
When I watch United from the mid 90s to the late 00s I see a completely different brand of football than what we've watched over the last decade. There's no going back as the game has moved on from that era but I want to see more passion, more risks taken, and fewer square passes and walking around waiting for someone to do something.
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Statman Dave was talking about the current formations and systems were copies of older tactics from the 19th century. Perhaps every system brings forth it's antidote eventually and we will, after some considerable time, see what once was become new again.
 
Borys said:
How having 3 at the back gives us advantage when building from the back? Recycling the ball between GK and CBs was never an issue for us even under Ole/ETH second season;
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But we were playing with 3 at the back build up under Ole/ETH as well.

The biggest difference between Amorim and Ole/ETH's sytem is whether you want to the 3rd CB to be a dedicated CB or a DM/FB
 
Why do people think Garnacho won't want to play WB? What's the reasoning, other than because attackers are diva's? He is consistently one of the higher energy guys on the field, works hard and runs his arse off. If the role fits him or not is a different discussion, but I don't see why he would say no to playing there.
 
FujiVice said:
This photo is crazy.
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Portuguese Maguire there in the first one.
 
DutchSerb said:
Why do people think Garnacho won't want to play WB? What's the reasoning, other than because attackers are diva's? He is consistently one of the higher energy guys on the field, works hard and runs his arse off. If the role fits him or not is a different discussion, but I don't see why he would say no to playing there.
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I'm guessing because people would rather see him than the likes of Dalot or Malacia
 
The one thing that worries me with having Amorim in charge - if it doesn't work out this time - who can make it work out ?
 
lysglimt said:
The one thing that worries me with having Amorim in charge - if it doesn't work out this time - who can make it work out ?
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It will work out this time. And if it doesn’t at the start then INEOS need to start getting rid of players and re investing in hungry players that can play with intensity like Amorim will want.
 
lysglimt said:
The one thing that worries me with having Amorim in charge - if it doesn't work out this time - who can make it work out ?
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The next top manager candidate.

Sure there's also the possibility that all of these top footballing decision makers INEOS brought in are total frauds at their job but I doubt it. We'll bring in enough quality talent, but I've never like the mantra of "if this guy doesn't work, who will" because situations are never that cut and dry.
 
romufc said:
This is why I dont get why people are like It doesnt matter if we lose, as long as we see signs of improvement..

Bollox to that, I want us to do both, win and show a style of play.

We have hired a coach that has history of doing this, he goes into clubs and has an instant impact.
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Playing well is what makes winning sustainable in the long run. I've seen us be crap and scumbag trophies for too long, it never goes far.
 
Rozay said:
It’s not about what we have, it’s about what we’re building. In such a system, I see it as either more defensive, or a system with two subpar players in the team. Even if they are not subpar, they are made to be by a role that limits any particular prowess they may have - which is asking a great forward to defend too much or a great defender to attack too much.

Case in point can literally be seen on this page where a player who has been considered a failure in Antony is now suddenly seen as a viable option because the job has changed from winger to wing back. There’s a home in a team for average players with this role, certainly in a way that there isn’t if you just played with a full back and a winger.

Also, for continuity sake - it’s a weird formation and what happens if we sack this manager in a year? Do we now need to go and find another needle in a haystack 343 manager on the market? Or do we have to see these wing backs as they are neither good enough to play full back or winger for the next manager? What about our youth teams? Do we start developing wing backs now? After all, the message seemed to be about developing some sort of club ‘game model’, and as old school as it sounds - this is just not Manchester United’s, for me.
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Aren’t we trying to sign Alphonso Davies? He’s a pretty decent player. If Antony is backup LWB and shows desire, workrate and stamina with a sparkle of loony charisma I’ll be plenty happy enough
 
themanguydude said:
I think from the list of managers that INEOS had shortlisted and were linked to replacing ETH in the summer (Southgate, Frank, Tuchel, Nagelsmann) , a back 3 game model is how they envision the club to play moving forward, at least in the near future.

If Amorim doesn't work out, they'll probably go out and get another back 3 manager. And I don't think they're as rare as you implied.



What even is Manchester United at this point?
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Exactly.

We all love the OLD Manchester United

We’re fatigued by the current

We’re excited for the NEW Manchester United


There’s an opportunity here for someone somewhere to build a completely new legacy here and that person will eventually define the Manchester United way

I hope it’s Amorim
 
lex talionis said:
I'm excited about the new chapter in United's history, but for me football is a lot less about formations and tactics than it is the ability and the desire to seize the moment. With some rare exceptions, such as the Mainoo goal in the FA Cup final, we''ve seen very little craft and guile and intensity of spirit during the post-Ferguson era.

We shall see what the Amorim era brings us. Fine, bring us a 343 but I'm looking for a manager who instills belief in each other and execution when the half chance in attack presents itself and anticipation and courage in our third.
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Top post! :+1:
 
lysglimt said:
The one thing that worries me with having Amorim in charge - if it doesn't work out this time - who can make it work out ?
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The hope would be that the new football structure means changing the coach doesn't mean a total reset every time... so if he doesn't work out we move on to the next guy with as little fuss as possible but the general ideas stay the same.
 
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