Interview with Sebastiao Sousa Pinto
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Back three is just a formation on paper. It's how you approach the game that matters.
I'm excited about the new chapter in United's history, but for me football is a lot less about formations and tactics than it is the ability and the desire to seize the moment. With some rare exceptions, such as the Mainoo goal in the FA Cup final, we''ve seen very little craft and guile and intensity of spirit during the post-Ferguson era.
We shall see what the Amorim era brings us. Fine, bring us a 343 but I'm looking for a manager who instills belief in each other and execution when the half chance in attack presents itself and anticipation and courage in our third.
Yes i'm hoping for these things too. Time will tell.
How having 3 at the back gives us advantage when building from the back? Recycling the ball between GK and CBs was never an issue for us even under Ole/ETH second season; the problem is progressing the ball to the forwards, something we struggle with massively. Having 3 at the back means that they will see plenty of the ball, and a wall of players in front of them - that means either
a) one of CBs will need to travel with the ball forward (we don't have that type of CB)
b) midfielders will need to drop back to collect the ball (I am not sure if we have midfielders suited to it)
c) we will try to progress through wings (as we always do by default anyway, because that's where the space always is)
I am not putting too much emphasis on formation, it's far more interesting what role each one plays. Shaw would be a perfect LCB in that formation because of his ability to run with the ball forward, which has been our main way to progress the ball under Ole for example (and quite effective at that). I would not be surprised to see Mazraoui at RCB at times for example, as I think we'll be missing this type of CB.
Now I’m excited.
Yup. Not a big fan of 3 CBs when our forwards are poor and we struggle for goals.
When I watch United from the mid 90s to the late 00s I see a completely different brand of football than what we've watched over the last decade. There's no going back as the game has moved on from that era but I want to see more passion, more risks taken, and fewer square passes and walking around waiting for someone to do something.
I’m waiting for the moment where the players can execute the tactics without thinking about it and fully express themselves.
When you have to think it is already too late.
There is no way in this day and age people are still this illiterate when it comes to football.
Statman Dave was talking about the current formations and systems were copies of older tactics from the 19th century. Perhaps every system brings forth it's antidote eventually and we will, after some considerable time, see what once was become new again.
I like the cut of this guys jib. Seems to relish the idea of actually COACHING (who would have thought?)
If our forwards are poor surely you'd want as few of them on the pitch as possible?
But we were playing with 3 at the back build up under Ole/ETH as well.
The biggest difference between Amorim and Ole/ETH's sytem is whether you want to the 3rd CB to be a dedicated CB or a DM/FB
Why do people think Garnacho won't want to play WB? What's the reasoning, other than because attackers are diva's? He is consistently one of the higher energy guys on the field, works hard and runs his arse off. If the role fits him or not is a different discussion, but I don't see why he would say no to playing there.
It's serious business on here, did you not know that?!?"Strategic posting"
Some of you really do take forums very seriously, one has to wonder how you function in real life.
This photo is crazy.
Portuguese Maguire there in the first one.
I'm guessing because people would rather see him than the likes of Dalot or Malacia
The one thing that worries me with having Amorim in charge - if it doesn't work out this time - who can make it work out ?
It will work out this time. And if it doesn’t at the start then INEOS need to start getting rid of players and re investing in hungry players that can play with intensity like Amorim will want.
The next top manager candidate.
Sure there's also the possibility that all of these top footballing decision makers INEOS brought in are total frauds at their job but I doubt it. We'll bring in enough quality talent, but I've never like the mantra of "if this guy doesn't work, who will" because situations are never that cut and dry.
Playing well is what makes winning sustainable in the long run. I've seen us be crap and scumbag trophies for too long, it never goes far.
Aren’t we trying to sign Alphonso Davies? He’s a pretty decent player. If Antony is backup LWB and shows desire, workrate and stamina with a sparkle of loony charisma I’ll be plenty happy enough
Exactly.
We all love the OLD Manchester United
We’re fatigued by the current
We’re excited for the NEW Manchester United
There’s an opportunity here for someone somewhere to build a completely new legacy here and that person will eventually define the Manchester United way
I hope it’s Amorim
Top post!
Think the respective owners just jizzed themselves in unison when they first heard that proclamation.
No worries. There was a series of managers between busby and Fergie too.
It's the cycle of life!
The hope would be that the new football structure means changing the coach doesn't mean a total reset every time... so if he doesn't work out we move on to the next guy with as little fuss as possible but the general ideas stay the same.
Mark Goldbridge
We do the same thing Liverpool did for 30 odd years until they got Klopp, we keep trying until we find the right person. There is no end point. It’s a continuous journey, you just have to keep going, even when you find someone who works out.
If Amorim shows he’s not up for it in a year or two, then we move on to the next highly promising candidate who might work out. If Amorim does work for a few years then he’s here for a few years but when he leaves we move on to the next candidate.
But if we move to a formation with wing back, we then play with two #10s. What you are saying is more about style preference than objective parameters. I too prefer the swashbuckling wingers but at the moment we don’t have any, so there is no loss.
Agreed about your point on continuity. Hope the United management have taken a clear choice regardless of which manger is there.
That's what I thought too! I mean Dalot was going into midfield quite a bit wasn't he? So kind of a back 3 anyway during the later part of EtH and definitely during Ruud's stint. I mean footballers at this level should be adaptable enough to learn new things.
I am worried about our boys willing to do the required running. I want to see blood and Thunder. All our recent teams have been too passive
He does smile alot, articulate and cheerful. Give it sometime.
Only here we would be having a serious discussion about the manager formation how bad or good it is, all that before he play his first match.
I'm not sure if I get your point here.
Physical conditioning to and mental sharpness. Our two major issues.
Atleast he is working on the right issues. Though both will take a lot of time to correct.
Intensity is also the requirement of Rangnick and ETH. Both of them are failed to let some players to improve, hope that Amorim can do that.. Good Luck..
But..i don't know why some of our players lack of intensity which is the basic requirement of modern top football.