My thoughts exactly. Give me some Ruben to warm me up!! On a serious note though he does seem like a very decent and likeable guy.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Can you give any examples, then, from the past, where you think this has happened at United, then?
ETH benched Ronaldo many times, I think Rangnick did too. Ole as well. The only thing I remember is Ferguson saying in an interview that "you should always play your best players" when Ronaldo was on the bench for a league game, if I remember correctly. But that's hardly evidence for what you are suggesting.
We've also seen Martial get benched several times, despite apparently being Joel Glazer's favorite player.
Ole played a McFred double pivot over Pogba in the middle of the pitch.
ETH binned De Gea, by all means a big name, one of the biggest among goalkeepers at the time.
And all this was under the previous regime. Can you imagine Berrada, Ashworth, etc. heading to Amorim's office to complain about a player not getting enough playtime, and that it needs to change because they're "commercially important" to the club?
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All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
Just think we like to have some positivity around the club for the moment, not sure many people are ignoring the fact that he will need to produce results as well.
He has the benefit of a footballing structure in place, so he will also get the benefit of time to implement his ideas.
ETH got the benefit of the doubt for being pragmatic in his first season, but he failed one way or another to implement his style (or it was terrible tactics) or both. So he rightly got the sack imo.
Antony's defensive stats from FBref. Would he make a really good Amorim LWB like Nuno Santos?
Boo!All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
Haha!
On a side note, has anybody heard from @FrankDrebin - slightly worried he was having a stroke when he posted that formation…..
I just don’t see him embracing the role at allAntony's defensive stats from FBref. Would he make a really good Amorim LWB like Nuno Santos?
Then he leaves, simple as that. Either he wants to be here or he doesn't.
Think he does leave. Question is for how little fee and where.
Antony pretty clearly sees himself as a main character type, I doubt he has the self awareness to realize how dire his prospects are now and embrace a completely new position and as a bit part player at that.
To be fair that's a lot more defending than Nuno Santos gets through.Antony's defensive stats from FBref. Would he make a really good Amorim LWB like Nuno Santos?
Owning and nailing the WB position in a back 3 team is pretty main character energy though, can be key in assists and clean sheets, hero at both ends, I think it could work
This photo is crazy.
If he’s good sure. I don’t think he will be to start which is sort of my point t.
I know everyone wants to find some use for the guy since we broke records for him but I just don’t see it happening.
This seems a bit of a leap.
I don’t know how so many of you have the heart to put yourselves through this all over again.
I’m hopeful Amorim will be better than the others but it’s been the Manutd way to build up hope and expectations for new managers and new signings only to be right back where we started or worse in a year or two.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t feel something with Amorim that seems different to the others but I’m not allowing myself to fall victim to that again. I really hope he does a great job but it’s all show and prove with me now. His past is the past and really of no relevance to us unless he replicates that here.
After Rangnick and ETH I don’t have it in me to be swept away by a manager and his ideology and philosophy before seeing it in effect for us.
With all that said can’t wait for Sunday to see how the team looks. It’s at least brought the excitement and anticipation back for me as a fan.
I’m hopeful Amorim will be better than the others but it’s been the Manutd way to build up hope and expectations for new managers and new signings only to be right back where we started or worse in a year or two.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t feel something with Amorim that seems different to the others but I’m not allowing myself to fall victim to that again. I really hope he does a great job but it’s all show and prove with me now. His past is the past and really of no relevance to us unless he replicates that here.
After Rangnick and ETH I don’t have it in me to be swept away by a manager and his ideology and philosophy before seeing it in effect for us.
With all that said can’t wait for Sunday to see how the team looks. It’s at least brought the excitement and anticipation back for me as a fan.
You'll be singing a different tune, vato, after we've smacked Ipswich around to a 6-0 romp.
Might be. Trust me I hope he turns into Victor Moses under Conte.
There's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic and hopeful. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, however long or short it is.
All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
If you can’t muster some excitement when a new manager comes in then what is the point of following at all? The start of something new is one of the peak times to be excited.
I ask myself that very question, yet fall for it time and time again.
Already far more excited for Sunday than I ought to be.
Think this is the key for all United fans though, because far too many get attached to managers in ways they shouldn't. The amount of comments about "aura" etc. just from one training video sort of tells the entire story.
But I'm with you, just happy to be excited and anticipating us playing again. The past year or so essentially took that out of me. I'd still watch but it would be with reluctance (can't help myself)
I just hope he has the balls to drop players when they don't perform. A lot of talk about effort and playing as a team, being proud to wear the shirt, etc. etc. in his first official interview. I love it but at the same time I've heard it all before.
I'm optimistic and I hope he succeeds, also for Ineos' sake. This is their guy, hopefully it works out great. I'm not a massive fan of the 3 CB + wingbacks playstyle usually but I'd rather have him than Thomas fecking Tuchel's boring football any day of the week.
I'm optimistic and I hope he succeeds, also for Ineos' sake. This is their guy, hopefully it works out great. I'm not a massive fan of the 3 CB + wingbacks playstyle usually but I'd rather have him than Thomas fecking Tuchel's boring football any day of the week.
He has been here a while now and still no wins, a bit worried.
Superb patter.
This photo is crazy.
Yoro must have been 6 years old when the first pic came out.
Jackson being proper negative on Talkshite, then nearly fell off chair when he said O Hara and Cundy had played at the top level.
Who says I'm not excited?
I'm very hopeful that his methods and qualities as a coach can and will improve our players and how they perform. I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table. Can't wait for the Ipswich game honestly to see even the minor changes he'll make. I just think we should let him prove himself before declaring that the way he smiles is the reason he's the right man for the job.
But beyond that I do find the boom and bust cycle of unchecked excitement to total desolation, where the manager/head coach goes from the greatest thing since sliced bread to a fraud that doesn't have any understanding of football, quite tedious and counterproductive to any actual discussion.
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Sadly I think SAF was still at the helm the last time anything at the club got me really excited. The occasional burst of very mild hope and very frequent feelings of "here we go again".
This new manager seems like as good a choice as we could possibly have made, but many thought the same about ETH (I didn't have an opinion as I didn't know him at all).
Come on.... its a little like looking for love. Just because past relationships ended in tears doesn't mean you should not look for another woman/man?
But in this case, its even better -- in sports unlike life, there are reset buttons every August.
Enjoy the honeymoon, when you have this combination of hope and fantasy with a massive dollop of cognitive dissonance.
Ultimately, everything always comes to an end, whether by choice or naturally.
2nd New Manager bounce. What's not to love and get excited over!
I’m trying to hold out a little hope that we won’t do this wing back business, at least in the long term. Specialist full backs and specialist wingers are far more likely to be world class players IMO. To play as a winger for a top club, you need to be very good, like a Salah or Diaz. A wing back will almost certainly never have their quality going forward. I fear they are likely to just be full backs who are poor at defending (but not good enough to be the wingers they probably want to be), fullbacks who are good at defending and will never have the quality to consistently be the forward wide player (someone like Mazraoui for example, brilliant full back, but will not scare full backs in his own right), or you will have ‘offensive versions’, which are wingers who are probably not good enough to be Salah in their own right.
Having two of such players in your ten is an unnecessary quality sacrifice to me, I’d much prefer to just try and get a Vinicius and a Luke Shaw in the team who are genuinely world class players, than a Dan Ndoye, who may be amongst the better options at WB.
All of the above is just personal preference of mine, but I’d rather a top class forward player constantly receiving the ball high and wide than someone like Mazraoui. I appreciate that Conte has won the PL with this system, but I see it generally as a more defensive setup with essentially 5 defenders, and even if I hear a coach wants to opt for a winger in that role, something tells me that they would never put Robben, Vinicius, Salah etc there, so the winger will be mediocre in all likelihood. I feel like it’s not a real role and not a position anyone grows up and trains for. It’s for failed players, broadly speaking.
Also, being something of a traditionalist, I like central defensive partnerships. I was hoping a player like Yoro would come in and really stake a claim and challenge Saliba as the heir to VDV in the PL, but that conversation changes as some sort of ‘RCB’ or whatever, which almost doesn’t count in the conversation.
Of course, none of this would matter more than us being successful, but yea, I’m just a man who watches football saying how I like my football, for whatever very little that’s worth of course.
Having two of such players in your ten is an unnecessary quality sacrifice to me, I’d much prefer to just try and get a Vinicius and a Luke Shaw in the team who are genuinely world class players, than a Dan Ndoye, who may be amongst the better options at WB.
All of the above is just personal preference of mine, but I’d rather a top class forward player constantly receiving the ball high and wide than someone like Mazraoui. I appreciate that Conte has won the PL with this system, but I see it generally as a more defensive setup with essentially 5 defenders, and even if I hear a coach wants to opt for a winger in that role, something tells me that they would never put Robben, Vinicius, Salah etc there, so the winger will be mediocre in all likelihood. I feel like it’s not a real role and not a position anyone grows up and trains for. It’s for failed players, broadly speaking.
Also, being something of a traditionalist, I like central defensive partnerships. I was hoping a player like Yoro would come in and really stake a claim and challenge Saliba as the heir to VDV in the PL, but that conversation changes as some sort of ‘RCB’ or whatever, which almost doesn’t count in the conversation.
Of course, none of this would matter more than us being successful, but yea, I’m just a man who watches football saying how I like my football, for whatever very little that’s worth of course.
I think it’s a pretty certain rule of life that if you get disappointed a lot, there’s something off with your system of expectations.