I think a fair few players will have a go at wingback. It's an intensive role to the point that Amorim's first sub at Sporting was almost always one (or both) of the wide two.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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You are correct.
And - you may be suprised - another typical substitution he made was one or both (R/L)CB. Putting in faster players or players that link better with the attack
And - you may be suprised - another typical substitution he made was one or both (R/L)CB. Putting in faster players or players that link better with the attack
Interesting if true, I do think that while we have options for the forward positions, it's somewhat up in the air who takes the two no.10 positions long term. I actually don't think it's all that suited to Bruno. I think profile wise, Mount and Amad fit the bill the best, though there are fitness (and performance questions) against Mount and we're yet to see how highly he even rates Amad.
I think it's similar with the midfield. There are some decent options but I don't think the balance is quite there with any of the pairings. Any pair that includes Casemiro needs to recognise that we shouldn't be overly reliant on Casemiro over the next season or two. It then comes down to what type of midfielder Amorim see's Kobbie as. While different profiles, he could be seen as an alternative to Ugarte rather than a partner. I think for it to be a successful partnership, he'd have to mould Kobbie in being the deeper out of the two midfielders (e.g. Jorginho = Kobbie and Ugarte = Kante). I think Kobbie has quite a lot to offer from a more advanced perspective and he'd be better off being paired with someone more like Casemiro than Ugarte.
Good luck Ruben. Thats been the case since Roy Keane left.
2 days into the job and he's already leaking stuff to UnitedDistrict...
I call bollocks.
Well I’m just going of what we seen on match days. Obviously we’re yet to see a match under Amorim. I doubt Amorim will make excuse after excuse though when we pick up injuries.
Initially he has to start with a midfield (including wingbacks) four of Mazraoui, Casemiro, Ugarte and Dalot. Make the team solid, get the unspectacular but solid results to set himself up in a new league. Then slowly start to loosen up to play more expansively as he gets accustomed to the league.
I think the midfield will end up settling with Ugarte and Mainoo but now we need Casemiro in there for his unheralded but effective creativity, goal threat at setpeices and experience. Mainoo can be restricted to cameos for a few weeks and then take over later once the team is settled and on an upward trajectory.
Obviously. If there would be any truth in it, credible journos would be first to report it.
What I like about that aswell is if we’re chasing a goal we can stick one of the attacking players from the bench in that role so we could end up with 5 attackers on the pitch.
You mean you don’t believe he has evaluated the squad already in the space of 48hrs?
Amorim's idea of the perfect midfielder is Busqutes or Xavi Alonso. A cerebral DM. It's what a lot of fans have been asking for, for years. You need one to partner Kobbie / Ugarte. Will be interesting to see who he targets for that role next summer.
Adrian Bernabe type of midfielder would be interesting, the quality metronome* type Defensive midfielders are so highly rated, that they are almost impossible to find. I don't know who we have in the academy play those roles atm, Gore? Or does is play more attacking?
How dare you question the twitter ITKs?
Are you insinuating Ruben is capable of evaluating the squad in 48 hrs. He is The One, the Lisan al Gaib. He can do anything.You mean you don’t believe he has evaluated the squad already in the space of 48hrs?
Yeah I am intrigued to see who he targets for that, do people think we need another creative CM when Eriksen leaves in the summer?
Are you expecting an answer other than "Yes"
Are you expecting an answer other than "Yes"
I don't know because you would think if it was a priority it would be mentioned in that tweet
In my view, no. Assuming Casemiro sticks around, we would have Casemiro, Mainoo and Ugarte for two positions. We would probably need one more there. That player could potentially be provided by the academy in the form of Kone or Fitzgerald. Should we deem neither to be currently good enough or ready (quite likely), we could sign a more experienced, defensive minded player as opposed to someone stylistically similar to Eriksen. If we were looking for more of a technical central midfielder for depth, then Jim Thwaites could potentially be given a shot. Perhaps Chris Rigg will be pursued?
If viewing Eriksen as a more attack minded midfielder, we could look to sign someone like Nypan, though like I say, he'd be an option for one of the number 10 positions. Ibragimov could become an option in a couple of years time too.
Or that tweet is from a dodgy source who has no clue what is happening.
After ages I am excited for a United match. Like I’ve been transported back to 2007-08 season!
Sunday can’t come soon enough. Thank you Ruben, you energy has already rubbed off on me.
Sunday can’t come soon enough. Thank you Ruben, you energy has already rubbed off on me.
Thanks for commenting. So with that said, do you see any players in the current United team that could fall short in terms of giving the 100% that Amorim craves for? If you could pick 3? Or maybe you think they'll all get on board....
Interesting, I thought Eth was pretty staunch in protecting his players too and taking accountablity, but at times he appeared delusional in talking up very poor performances, protecting players who didnt give 100%. Still selecting them without seeing improvement. Players not reciprocating his faith shown in them.
Interesting... where have you got that from? So his team 3 years ago was Ugarte and Nunes
The current team was Hjulmand and Morita and none of them are Busquets / Alonso type players.
Kobbie / Ugarte are 2 opposite profiles so how can we need someone to partner both?
Yeah I must admit that, that wasn’t quite my understanding either (Busquets, Alonso type preference). Of course no one would say no if offered anyone near the quality of either of those, but Amorim seems adaptable when it comes to that midfield profile, albeit one DM plus someone else little more box to box. Both fairly mobile.
Yeah, the thing is Busquets and Alonso were different players too, just because they played midfield and were the best in their position. Busquets and Rodri are more similar than Alonso and Busquets.
In a way, isn't Kobbie more like Busquets than Alonso? In that he can receive the ball in almost any position and get out the press. Kobbie is our most press resistant player we have.
On your last sentence, that is exactly what I thought Amorim plays, because Busquets or Rodri are not the most mobile of players, whereas Amorim wants real running power, which is why Ugarte did so well for him in the high press rather than a DM.
Somebody described Alonso and Busquets as "cerebral" earlier I think. But they were real bastards when they needed to be too. Xavi Alonso could be absolutely brutal in challenges especially; it just gets forgotten about.
I imagine Amorim just highlighted the pair as being pretty complete midfielders when asked the question. Players who can contribute big time in and out of possession - who wouldn't want that in the engine room?
I fail to see how his body temperature is relevant? Does he have a cold already?
It's complicated.
personally I don't think it was Slimani's lack of commitment in training per se, but that combined with his expectation of starting when Amorim felt he didn't deserve it, AND using the people around him (his agent and Algerian press+national team) to push the narrative that he was being punished despite his game performances.
Amorim wants team players, players that do what's best for the team, not for themselves. He doesn't like guys that put their ego in front of what the team needs, and the team/club goals.
Therefore, while he won't come out and belittle any of his players, if you don't perform according to his parameters, you'll be let go. His main focus is to protect the group and the team as a whole.
Yeah, agreed. Will be interesting to see how our midfield shapes us in the next 1-2 years under Amorim, but I’d say long term it’s probably Ugarte and Mainoo - Casemiro might continue playing next to Ugarte if his good form this season continues.
Absolutely. Like i said, it doesn’t matter the manager (Jose, Klopp etc) but if offered a player at that quality, they’ll make a way to incorporate them into their team. Their skill level is just that high.
Hoobin has United fever!
He's doing well to be extremely warm, it's fecking freezing in the North West right now!
I don't think what you are suggesting is a thing at United, or most football clubs around. Managers aren't pressured to regularly play "commercially important" players.
Nothing wrong with being a bit naive mate.
Interview earlier this week with Portuguese journalist who spoke in depth about amorim. I did link it a few pages back yesterday.
If you look from other side then Mainoo is in goal and Amad, Rashford and Dalot are back threeIf you look at it side on then a back 3 of Martinez deLigt and Casemiro makes more sense, but Onana and Hojlund on the flanks is an interesting call and Ugarte in goal isn’t why we signed him!
My thoughts exactly. Give me some Ruben to warm me up!! On a serious note though he does seem like a very decent and likeable guy.
Can you give any examples, then, from the past, where you think this has happened at United, then?
ETH benched Ronaldo many times, I think Rangnick did too. Ole as well. The only thing I remember is Ferguson saying in an interview that "you should always play your best players" when Ronaldo was on the bench for a league game, if I remember correctly. But that's hardly evidence for what you are suggesting.
We've also seen Martial get benched several times, despite apparently being Joel Glazer's favorite player.
Ole played a McFred double pivot over Pogba in the middle of the pitch.
ETH binned De Gea, by all means a big name, one of the biggest among goalkeepers at the time.
And all this was under the previous regime. Can you imagine Berrada, Ashworth, etc. heading to Amorim's office to complain about a player not getting enough playtime, and that it needs to change because they're "commercially important" to the club?
yes
All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
All these great character traits that we're told that Amorim has that will make him a success here will all be used as negatives if he doesn't succeed. And we'll then hear about how the next guy is a much better fit because he's the opposite.
Maybe it would be better to wait to see how he actually works out before evaluating how much his personality has had an affect. Just for a change.
Just think we like to have some positivity around the club for the moment, not sure many people are ignoring the fact that he will need to produce results as well.
He has the benefit of a footballing structure in place, so he will also get the benefit of time to implement his ideas.
ETH got the benefit of the doubt for being pragmatic in his first season, but he failed one way or another to implement his style (or it was terrible tactics) or both. So he rightly got the sack imo.