I see The Daily Star are linking him with a 38 million move to Liverpool today 
I'd be more inclined to believe it if I read it in the Beano.
I'd be more inclined to believe it if I read it in the Beano.
Ross Barkley
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Boyhood Red I think.
Numerous sources have described him as a 'boyhood blue'.
Much more likely to join us than he is Liverpool. We can call him 'Wayne II'.
He's not worth £38m.
I've heard both being claimed, but more predominently that he's a boyhood blue.
I think Barkely's future lies as a CM and he is a cracking talent, not sure we could tempt him right now though, or if we can afford the extra time to develop him as a CM given the price he'd cost, he is very much a classic United signing though.
Does he want to play for a footballing dinosaur or Rodgers? That's if he leaves at all. I can see him staying if Everton get CL.
He definitely should stay. Martinez is a great tutor and he'll be a mainstay of a team who are on the up. Leave now for the wrong team and he could just as easily end up as a Rodwell than a Rooney.
I highly doubt he would join Liverpool anyway when Everton will have plenty of suitors for his signature that aren't their local rivals.
When questioned about Barkley's future, Martinez said: "Well according to speculation, we turned down £50m from Man Utd so we certainly wouldn't accept £38m from Liverpool.
“In terms of the speculation, we already turned down a £50million bid from United so we're not going to take £38million from Liverpool,” Martinez said tongue-in-cheek.
That last bit, tongue-in-cheek, in the Independent report.
Surely we did not bid 50m for him. If we honestly did Moyes will blow through the reported 150-200m budget in five minutes for 3 players.
Promising, but not world class. Would be worth somewhere around what Fellaini wasn't worth.
That last bit, tongue-in-cheek, in the Independent report.
Surely we did not bid 50m for him. If we honestly did Moyes will blow through the reported 150-200m budget in five minutes for 3 players.
Promising, but not world class. Would be worth somewhere around what Fellaini wasn't worth.
I agree. There again we've got more chance of signing this guy then the likes of Kroos.
I think Martinez is implying that both stories are rubbish, or at least nothing more than 'speculation'.
He's the standout English talent, and by some distance, IMO. If Carroll at 22 (Who had done nothing) went for £35 million 3 seasons ago, how much should a player like Barkley at 20 go for? £50 million would seem like an appropriate fee for what is often inflated prices for English players but if any English talent is going to be rated at that fee it'd have to be Ross.
If Martinez & Everton have any ambition, which they clearly do, they couldn't possibly entertain selling the player. If nothing else, that statement from Roberto is either going to force clubs to up the offers or stay clear
You can't really compare the Carroll transfer. It was ridiculous and the only reason that it happened is because Newcastle knew that Liverpool had recently come into some money from the Torres sale.
Barkley is worth 30m tops and even then, I'm not sure I would pay that, if I were the Glazers. There are players who are more suited to our needs out there, possibly for less money.
Even an English talent at a massively inflated price should not fetch 50m. 30m would be a lot. The Carroll thing was a one-off. Possibly the worst decision ever by a club (in terms of transfers). At least Torres had played superbly for Liverpool when Chelsea spunked 50m on him.
I don't think Barkley will leave, but if he wants to leave, they'll do well to get more than what they got for Fellaini.
I've got a weird feeling he'll get a big move abroad. United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City are pretty stocked up in his position and I can't see him going to Liverpool. I could see him forging a great career somewhere elsewhere I. Europe.
You can't compare the Carroll deal. It was just phenomenally stupid.
He'd be crazy to leave Everton right now, on the cusp of Champions League football and a manager who's brought him into the side and shown faith in him, and at 20? Anyway If the Everton fans put pressure on the chairman not to let Baines go last summer, then Kenwright will know if he even so much as picked up the phone from a liverpool call over Barkley he'd be a deadman 
so whatever happens the Liverpool story is balls.
so whatever happens the Liverpool story is balls.I think it's unfair to compare the Carrol fee as both parties quite cleary dropped Acid shortly before entering the negotiating room.
As for Barkley I can't see him going anywhere soon, especially so if Everton make it into the Champions League, & even more so after reading this:
Sterling, Shaw, Chamberlain?
If Everton make the cl I cant see him leaving... But if they dont make the cl the season after and he has a decent cl campaign and world cup then he could fetch 50m
id break the bank for him this summer if Everton dont qualify and I said so in the kroos thread where I was shot down for suggesting an alternative to kroos but honestly out of all the midfielders we could potentially get he is top of my wish list
id break the bank for him this summer if Everton dont qualify and I said so in the kroos thread where I was shot down for suggesting an alternative to kroos but honestly out of all the midfielders we could potentially get he is top of my wish list
Would love to see Barkley at United, great prospect, but he's not an 'alternative' to Kross, an established German international and CL winner.
Because United need to turn things around fast, there are massive financial stakes involved.
To turn things around they need some experienced players of high quality(Mata, Kroos).
Barkley would be a great acquisition in addition to Kroos, but not as an alternative.
No foreign teams would want to cough up 50M for him, he's good, but if he's not British, he's just another hot prospect. People won't pay for an unproven British lad, not for 50M. 10-15M and Everton won't sell for that price. He'll have to go to overpaying Manchester United, Chelsea, or City
He'd be crazy to leave Everton right now, on the cusp of Champions League football and a manager who's brought him into the side and shown faith in him, and at 20? Anyway If the Everton fans put pressure on the chairman not to let Baines go last summer, then Kenwright will know if he even so much as picked up the phone from a liverpool call over Barkley he'd be a deadman
Not if Barca / Madrid / Juve / Chelsea / City comes calling, Everton for all their bravado this season is still a tier bellow the mentioned club, and it's not a shame for a footballer to want to play in the best club.
For 50M, I'd say Martinez will send him to the airport himself. Barkley might be very good, but 50M is alot of money and will improve Everton more than having a Barkley in the team, imagine how many good players they can buy with 50M
2 wingers & a LB in comparison to the holy grail of English footballers, a complete CM?
Well some will argue with you that Chamberlain isn't a winger, he's probably played more times in CM than Barkley has. Sterling has also played very well centrally in the diamond too, certainly not players restricted to being played out wide.
Who are you talking about because its definitely not Barkley. Iniesta?
But could never run an offense from the middle, both those wingers rely on their pace as much as anything whereas Ross has a wider range of skills directing an attack. There's a reason why he's so sought after
He's got a really weird head. I hope we buy him in the summer.
Rivalries, transfer speculation, and general banter aside, there really is some great young English talent in the pipeline. It'll be interesting to see if England can emulate the German model.
Is Rodgers a footballing genius now he's had one cracking season with Liverpool? In a league where the standard has really dropped. Liverpool have went out both cups early not been in Europe and had only to play in the league. We'll see how well he does next year. Got a feeling they will slide back into mediocrity (without their 15pens this season)
Chamberlain did excellently against, while a poor and complacent Milan a while back. Barkely is very good but has played CM on the odd occasion for Everton this year. Clearly will be a good no.10 but I think it remains to be seen whether he'll be a 'complete midfielder'.
They all look like they're going to be top players. Each of them will have their abilities skewed by bias. On current ability i'd have them 1. Sterling 2. Barkley 3. Shaw 4. Chamberlain, but that's not putting any disrespect to the latter who aren't far behind at all. It's great to have a large number of good English talent, and it doesn't feel like this will be a generation which will fall flat like past ones. The best thing about them is that they're playing, and they're playing under the right managers. Rodgers - Sterling/Henderson etc., Martinez - Barkley/Stones etc., Pochettino - Shaw/Lallana etc., Wenger - Chamberlain/Wilshere etc. Probably the best choice of managers in the league to work under with promising English youth.
Even without the 11 pens this season Liverpool would comfortably outscore every other team in the league apart from City. Plus, the vast majority of those pens are pretty nailed on as has been shown in a video reel on this forum.
As for drop in standards, only United have had a poorer season of the top 7. Liverpool, City, Chelsea and Everton are all better to varying degrees based on point accumulation. Spurs and Arsenal are very similar to last year.
In truth, many in the Caf have been talking about Liverpool's slip back to mediocrity since the early part of this season. It seems to be the more it's talked about the better Liverpool do. Like an inverse kiss of death.
Looks to be starting CM tonight.
It's not the point total that change its the standard of teams in the league. And the standard of team is lower without doubt (we have seen this in Europe) kudos to Liverpool thus season but imo the top teams have regressed as much if not more than Liverpool progressing. United (shocking) Chelsea (no striker) City (best team in league) Arsenal (gutless) Spurs (poor) the league was there this season for either City or Chelsea and both stuttering. When have you ever in recent memory seen or thought Arsenal or Liverpool with these squads challenging? Never! Arsenal should have run away with it a their bum cheeks collapsed. Liverpool have taken advantage of being out of both cups early and no Europe (plus an unprecedented number of pens). If Liverpool don't win it this year they will slide back down the table as they lack financial muscle of a City or Chelsea and even a United or Arsenal. Money talks at the end of the day. You get an exception now and again for a season like Dortmund, Valencia or Athletic Madrid but its usually short lived. Look at the last 8 in the champs league majority of the big money teams.
Is he in central midfield today? If so, how's he doing?
Chelsea ARE undoubtedly stronger this season to last. Hazard is better, Willian is a v good signing and defensively they are more solid. Terry has been excellent. Reached CL semi - or is that comp much weaker as well?
City were a mess last season with in-fighting and very inconsistent. They have been stronger this season, no doubt. Much more fluid. Did better in the CL as well.
Arsenal gutless? So exactly the same as last season and the one before that and the one before that and...etc
Spurs poor? But very similar season to last so status quo there.
Liverpool have been very impressive as 93 goals, the best player in this league and 10 straight wins would testify.
Everton are so much better to last season with their new style of play and astute loan signings.
United...well, obviously weaker.
As for your "we have seen this in Europe" comment to show how teams have dropped: in 2012/13 two English teams failed to get out their group. In 2013/14 all four progressed with one team getting to the semi final at least. Facts suggest you're wrong there as well.
There is no doubt that the quality of the top PL teams is a lot higher this year. Standards have risen not dropped. Empirical evidence backs this up.
I can't wait for next season because all I'm reading about is how all these terrible top teams will buy lots if players and be excellent again. It's going to be such a high standard. It's a shame Liverpool have no money, cache or a coach able to adapt as it was getting promising there for a while. The inevitable decline next season may lead to Rodgers being exposed as a one hit wonder who managed a team that scored 93 penalties all of which were freebies from the refs...Now I think about it I'm not sure why Liverpool are bothering. It'll all be for nothing come August.
No need to go over dramatic but what English team would you have fancied for the European cup? Liverpool have 2 top players Suarez and sturridge the rest are average. This Liverpool team would have got wiped from Rafas team. As for saying the quality is higher I think your on drugs it's quite clearly at an all time low in last 10 years.
The only difference is Chelsea can do well in the CL because of Jose style of play. The rest of the Pl got easily beaten in Europe. United,City and Arsenal were well beaten. City only got out of their group because they got an easier draw this year. Unfortunately when the PL teams have come up against anybody of note the last few years they have been outclassed. No real improvement on last year in terms of beating quality.
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