Every players has his price........even Messi
If Barkley wants to leave Everton for a big club.......then a transfer will happen in the summer.
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Every players has his price........even Messi
If Barkley wants to leave Everton for a big club.......then a transfer will happen in the summer.
Fabregas? You call that a good target? Even in fm you cant get him to sign
Herrera? He's available if moyes wants him, but he spunk 28m on fellaini instead of him
I dont think barkley would want to move in jan. Things are lookinh great for him atm, Everton aren't willing to sell, not in january.
If we indeed bid 50m, he could probably goes, but for 50m we'll be looking at gotze, neymar, even suarez at a stretch is not too far off for 50m, not saying that we should bought him, but imo for 50m we can realistically bid for everyone bar messi ronaldo bale
If we indeed bid 50m, he could probably goes, but for 50m we'll be looking at gotze, neymar, even suarez at a stretch is not too far off for 50m, not saying that we should bought him, but imo for 50m we can realistically bid for everyone bar messi ronaldo bale
The worst decision anyone could ever make is trying to and signing this guy in January. He'd be over priced, and would only have 6 months of senior football behind him. A total gamble that could easily blow up in a clubs face.
A lot rests upon this season in terms of his immediate future - but long term who's more likely to be challenging for top honours? And its not just United who will be interested in a player like him. All the big clubs will be in for him if he continues how he is.
I like Everton, so I'm not having a dig - just pointing out the facts. Unless and until Everton are in a better financial position and financially able to compete with the bigger teams they'll struggle to put a squad together to compete year on year and retain their best players.
I must be the only one who doesn't want him. He won't solve our problems.
He plays where Rooney does and that looks his best position at the moment. Let's not sign another player who hasn't played CM or didn't for a few seasons like Fellaini.
He plays where Rooney does and that looks his best position at the moment. Let's not sign another player who hasn't played CM or didn't for a few seasons like Fellaini.
Right now with United? Who knows, you could end up doing a Liverpool for all we know. Nothing is clear cut right now in terms of your future and the future of the league in general. Maybe some nice sugar daddy will like what Martinez is doing and buy us. Nobody knows.
We can afford to offer him a nice new contract which i think he'd take and renew a deal with us. The big clubs will be in for him but if we have no reason to sell him, we won't sell him. We only sold Fellaini because we knew we had McCarthy/Barry lined up.
I don't either. He'd be a perfect replacement for Rooney mind!
You'd have to be mental to not want to sign this kid. Phenominal talent.
But we need to focus on other areas of the pitch Carl. We can't afford to spend 40m on a player when we already have 3/4 players that can play in his natural position. Don't counter that by saying "we can convert him into a CM", we've tried that before and it doesn't work. Let him develop at Everton for a season and see how he does. But it'd be utter madness to fork out 40m odd on a player that's only played in the League for 6 months.
Seriously, we need a CM and a LB. That's the immediate concern!
I'm not saying we should sign him now. I agree it would be best for him to stay at Everton for at least another season. However, if he was available this Summer and looked likely to go elsewhere we'd be daft to pass up the opportunity.
Also, we wouldn't need to "convert" Barkley, he's played in CM numerous times already.
What exactly has he done to generate this level of hype aside from being one of England's more promising talents over the last decade? I'm not sure he's shown any more than someone like Sergio Canales at the same age, for example.
Timing is essential in transfers, specially when it comes to transfer with clubs like Everton. Everton are in a good place this moment in time. It would be crazy to pry him this transfer window. I feel they will hit their rough patch soon enough and the kid will get to develop more in that time. Unless something drastic happens in Everton's fortunes, ideally it could be next transfer window if he continues developing.
Typical hype for young British player - we've been here before.
That said, Barkley does look like a top player in the making. Canales had tons of ability - injuries and picking the wrong club was his problem.
What's his playstyle when playing CM? Does he track back? Is he positionally sound? Can he carry a midfield? Playing CM numerous times and playing CM numerous times as a seasoned professional are two different beasts and frankly, I'd rather see us spend any kind of money on the latter type. Even if it means Barkley's potential ends up elsewhere.
Does doing one mean we can't do both? We're lacking numbers in CM, it would seem pretty reasonable to buy one established player and investing in another who looks like he could be the real deal with nurturing and experience.
Wrong. He's played CM once, the first game of the season. Since then Martinez has pushed him into the AM role. I still don't think we should buy any player from just 1 seasons good form. For the money it'd cost to get him here it's just not worth it considering we already have Rooney/Kagawa at the club. But if Rooney was set to leave, then I can see us going for Barkley for sure.
Looks like a very good player in the making, but he would be way overpriced at the money being talked about, ridiculously so. I'm also not keen to buy any more players from Everton while Moyes is in charge.
To me that shows the predicament Everton currently find themselves. They sold Fellaini for a big fee and replaced him with players who cost less. That's where Everton are - big offers for players will force their hand, even if they dont want to sell.
Barkley looks a very good prospect - but Everton arent a one man team and he could arguably be replaced if a club was to come in and offer silly money based on the player he might become. That might give Martinez money to go out and sign a number of players - or (for example) keep Lukaku at the club.
At the end of the day, at most PL clubs the books have to be balanced and Everton seem to accept that. Lescott is a good example - the bid was just too much to turn down.
As I said, he looks a very good prospect, but there's a difference between that and really becoming a top player. He could be a Bale, or he could be a Jeffers - depending on luck with injuries and other factors so Everton might consider any massive bids that come in and could help them move the club forward long term.
As you say, he may be happy to stay and if so, fair play to him. All this just sounds like what Glaston was on about last year with Bale.
Silent Witness has answered this numerous times already. Just look up his posts.
Yeah, I think if we buy a midfielder it should be someone who comes in and improves us drastically. Because of his age and experience I don't see Barkley even being at the level where he'd even play every week yet, so it'd be a few years before he was a really top player, presuming that even happens. Obviously the flipside is that if we don't move for him in the next year or two he'll probably move to a club we won't ever be able to sign him from and he'll be lost to us for good.
I wasn't just referring to this season.
Well which season are you referring too? He's barely played in any other seasons in the premier league? Got like 200mins last season.
It doesn't, but I question our desire and ability to clinch a £50m deal for a prospect, £20 or so for a left back and another £25m+ on any other quality midfielder.
Additionally, we lack quality, not numbers, in midfield.
This is based on what Silent Witness said. I doubt it's Premier League minutes he was referring to. Likely for Everton U21 and maybe the loan stints? You'd have to dig it out if you're interested.
Also, it's obvious from watching him play that his best position will eventually be deeper in midfield. His physical attributes and passing range are well suited for it. He'd need to work on the defensive side of his game (again, SW's words based on playing time in CM, not mine) but then what young player doesn't need work?
It's not a conversion like Nick Powell, who's never looked a midfielder IMO. Infact, I wouldn't see it as a conversion at all.
He's the sort of special talent that you don't pass up if given the opportunity. Talented English players are synonimous (sp?) with Man Utd. But as I said, ideally he stays at Everton for at least another season.
Yeah I don't know about the finances part, it's an aspect of the transfer business I don't really have an interest in, but I guess you're right.
As for the quality/quantity, not sure I agree with you totally. I think Ando is on his way out, I don't consider Jones in CM in the long run, and the Fletcher case is a bit too unsure. In any case, I'd say we lack both, for a club of our stature, especially if we want to mix things up tactically.
He also started in the QPR game in 2011/2012 in CM and was MOTM. That was his professional debut at 17/18.
McCarthy could end up being just as good as Fellaini has been for half the price of what we sold Fellaini for and less than what we paid for Fellaini in the first place. Barry has also meant that we don't miss what Fellaini provided when he was playing in CM for us.
We have actually been in control with many of the transfers. Lescott, Fellaini and Rodwell we have held out for what we think each player is worth and we've been able to get the other club to accept our terms.
I'm not saying Barkley will never be sold if things don't go our way (at the moment they are). What i am saying is that he will be sold on our terms, and we will end up getting the fee we want as we have done in the past.
EDIT: Also, people keep talking about us being able to replace him with more players etc. We could, yes. But i think that Barkley is a rare talent that doesn't come along too often. He was grown by us, he's English, he's a Blue. He's everything a football club should be about IMO so i think we would do quite a lot to keep him.
It has proved good business - but it just highlights that every player has his price. Rodwell may be a good example of what can happen when things dont quite turn out as expected. I'm sure when he burst onto the scene the average Everton fan would have imagined a transfer to Man City would have raked in more money than it did.
The players they've brought in have proved good business and that's how most clubs operate - sell high, buy lower and then maybe sell high again. Everton do it well. Selling a young player for silly money might allow you to bring in 3 players of established quality and make the team much better overall.
As I said, you may very well be right and they will not cash in - even if big money comes knocking. he may be a rare talent and may go on to do great things - as an England fan I very much hope he does.
A £100m triple raid for Fellaini, Baines and Barkley!
Throw in Roberto Martinez there as well for good measure
The guy that moyes didnt value above 20m? And bids of 25m for fabregas show how serious we were of getting them.
This at the momment
Couldn't see the game because it wasn't streamed but apparently had another cracker. Scored a good goal and set up Coleman for his with one of his driving runs.
http://www.goalsaim.com/everton-vs-qpr-4-0-highlights-2014-fa-cup/
http://www.goalsaim.com/everton-vs-qpr-4-0-highlights-2014-fa-cup/
Suspected broken bone in his foot.
Metatarsal? This'll be Wayne Rooney all over again...
Shame, he was looking extremely impressive this season.
That's quite a shame more so during a very positive spell. Barkley seems to be very unlucky with these kind of injuries happening during key moments of his development.
Shame for him but he should be back in plenty of time for the world cup... and from a united point of view it might help us close the gap on everton in the coming weeks
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