Viv Anderson and Frank Stapleton are the only ones I can think of during my life.
Ross Barkley
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Viv Anderson and Frank Stapleton are the only ones I can think of during my life.
What do you mean there's no point? Giggs won't hold a regular first team place this year...would it be better off if he just retired? Are experienced squad players just completely useless?
It'd be best if we released all our back-up players and signed 8-10 hyped up youngsters from across the world.
Why get rid of somebody unless you actually have someone better to replace him? It wouldn't really make any sense.
Giggs is different from Carrick. Ryan lost his first team place due to age and not because other players are better then him. Not to forget that we're talking here about an icon for the club and he's still one of the most technically gifted players around.
I have this feeling that when a player reaches age 30 SAF tend to sit down and think whether a player is worth keeping or not (I think he had said it once in one of his interviews). If Carrick doesn't hold his first team place then I won't be surprised that he'll be sold. SAF may think that Fletcher (29), Anderson (24), Park (31) and Cleverley (23) may provide the experience we need. That's all.
SAF may think that his place can be covered by a younger player with the potential to become a world class player (ex Jones vs OShea) or that his presence will block the development of younger player or simply because SAF wants to cash in and invest the money somewhere else (at age 30 its the last time you really can make good money out of a player)
Devilish, you are trying to argue something that's completely stupid here. We won't let Carrick go unless we bring someone else in, and Carrick's definitely good enough for us and offers something.
That's what I think too. Whether it would be a new signing or someone from the academy (Pogba?) is debatable though. My point is that if Carrick ends up a reserve that I won't be surprised if SAF ends up selling him and invest the money on someone else. That's all.
Not sure what you mean by this. The only reason anyone ever loses their first team place is because other players are better.
It's Devilish he regularly talks nonsense. By his special reasoning VDS's place should've been given to Lindegaard or PIG as he was old.
Or because there are a potential 60+ games in a season?
Giggs was one of the fittest players last season and played close to 40 matches last season. It's fair to say that he wasn't rotated much.
Do you actually believe this shit you talking ? So if you younger than 30 then you safe, but if you older than 30 you in trouble? Age has nothing to do with it. If you good then you good. If you shit then you shit.
We won't get good money for him, and there it'll be a couple of years before the likes of Pogba would be at such a level that they could replace such an experienced player.
Does not look like anything we don't already have.
You're not understanding my message. Read it again and then we'll discuss.
Why? Reading the posts in here he's quite a great player isn't he and he's in the prime of his years. Why shouldn't he fetch at least 10-12m? I think that there's a reason why utility players like P Neville, OShea and Wes were sold at age 30-32 and that's because that's the last time you can make good money out of them. If Carrick ends up a reserve then I won't be surprised that he ends up taking the same route as these players. SAF may think that since Fletch, Ando, Cleverley and Park provide enough experience then he may well let Carrick go and bring in some new talent in midfield who has the potential to become world class (or rely more on a kid). Its the Jones story all over again.
Or maybe some people just like to twist the argument around. My argument is that there's a big difference between Giggs and Carrick. The former lost his first team place due to not being able of playing in every game anymore. The latter would lose his place because they were better players around. I think that we all agree that if Giggs was 25 yrs old he'll be an undisputed first teamer whether if he's played in CM or on the flanks.
Villas-Boas lines up £20m January bid for Everton youngster Barkley
By Sportsmail Reporter
Chelsea will try to take advantage of Everton's financial difficulties with a £20million January bid for teenage midfielder Ross Barkley.
Barkley does not turn 18 until December but is already being touted as one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League.
The Blues made an informal approach in the summer and, according to the Daily Mirror, will up the stakes with the big-money bid when the transfer window reopens in the winter.
Barkley was discovered by scout Mick Doherty, who left Goodison Park for Stamford Bridge a few weeks ago.
Everton manager David Moyes, who has started Barkley three times this season, is desperate to keep the youngster but could do with the cash to reinvest in players.
Much has been made about the average age of Chelsea's squad and manager Andre Villas-Boas has addressed the issue by bringing in the likes of teenagers Oriol Romeu and Romelu Lukaka, while fellow new recruit Juan Mata is only 23.
Barkley is next on Villas-Boas' list and the Portuguese coach will weigh in with the huge offer knowing that Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has also been keeping an eye on the Merseyside-born player.
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By Sportsmail Reporter
Chelsea will try to take advantage of Everton's financial difficulties with a £20million January bid for teenage midfielder Ross Barkley.
Barkley does not turn 18 until December but is already being touted as one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League.
The Blues made an informal approach in the summer and, according to the Daily Mirror, will up the stakes with the big-money bid when the transfer window reopens in the winter.
Barkley was discovered by scout Mick Doherty, who left Goodison Park for Stamford Bridge a few weeks ago.
Everton manager David Moyes, who has started Barkley three times this season, is desperate to keep the youngster but could do with the cash to reinvest in players.
Much has been made about the average age of Chelsea's squad and manager Andre Villas-Boas has addressed the issue by bringing in the likes of teenagers Oriol Romeu and Romelu Lukaka, while fellow new recruit Juan Mata is only 23.
Barkley is next on Villas-Boas' list and the Portuguese coach will weigh in with the huge offer knowing that Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has also been keeping an eye on the Merseyside-born player.
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No quotes. Just a nudge to Fergie from Merseyside
20 million for a 17 year old. WTF. I hope the lad gets some good advice before he decides. Maybe chat with wright-Phillips and scotty Parker and see how life turned out for them.
Or talk to Rooney and see how life worked out for him!!
Every players different. Don't think it would be a bad move.. How he progress dependent on him and the club. Different Chelsea now too.
The guy has played one full game, and already they are talking of 20 million bids? crazy.
You only have to see him once though to see the potential. He just looks the nuts. If he turns out as good as he looks, he could complete us, and from what I hear Fergie thinks so too.
I hope he stays at Everton for a couple of seasons. Everton deserve some sort of loyalty eventhough it is in short supply these days.
Agreed. But if he's gonna go, I'd rather he came to us than went to the rent.
He'd be stupid to move to them really. Learn his trade at Everton first. Plenty of time to move eventually. Think Moyes would get the best out of him, he'll definately get game time there too.
Going off the fact that he looks like a dirty 35 year old chav, I think he'll be as successful as Rooney if he came to us.
But seriously though, from what I've seen of him, I like him. Not many players of his age just look so classy on the ball. Thought he looked decent when he played in Europe for Everton the other season.
But seriously though, from what I've seen of him, I like him. Not many players of his age just look so classy on the ball. Thought he looked decent when he played in Europe for Everton the other season.
20m quotes and will probably go for half or three-quarters that amount. We've seen this overvaluing of young players many times.
I think he definitely will not sold for less than 20 million. Henderson, Lukaku, Downing signings have shown what the going rate is for unproved in demand young players and the fact that he is English already adds about 8 Million onto his over all value.
Yeah I can see there is a trend, however we got Jones for 16 million. By far the best buy of all the youngsters during the last transfer window.
Barkley is a massive talent and like most I'd prefer if he came to us, but I just can't see us splashing out 20 mil+ if we are still clearly in the market for a more established midfielder....unless SAF believes we have filled our midfield gap with cleverly and Anderson and possibly the emergence of pogba.
I can only see us using our remaining transfer budget to get a top proven midfielder.
Btw, have we signed a player that both Chelsea and we were seriously interested in signing since Abrahmovic took over?
I was thinking that too. Were they interested in Phil Jones?
I'm not so sure. If you look at the profile of the squad now, I think he fits perfectly. And I'm not sure how much of a risk it is... it's a bit of a Rooney situation, barring major injury I can't really see him not being a 20mil player.
I think Everton probably also now feel we underpaid for Wayne, so they won't want to make the same mistake again. Especially if they can get a bidding war going... it won't take long for City to get involved as well as the rent.
According to journos and John Terry they were keen.
What's Terry said?
Yeah I think Jones is the only one. On the other hand Chelsea have taken plenty of players we were interested or supposedly interested in. And the Jones one is a special deal because he had a buyout clause inserted into his contract
Well then I'd suggest that one doesn't count because I can see loads of players preferring United but I'm wondering if there have been cases that despite their greater financial muscle, we've gotten the player.
Exactly. With the buyout clause it wasnt a bidding war with his club. We just had to offer the right wages and sell the idea of moving to United over Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and so on.
If Barkley had no buyout clause and we were both interested in him, Chelsea would more than likely offer more money than we would and if Everton made it a choice between staying and going for the highest amount being offered, most players would choose to move to the big club
If Barkley had no buyout clause and we were both interested in him, Chelsea would more than likely offer more money than we would and if Everton made it a choice between staying and going for the highest amount being offered, most players would choose to move to the big club
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