agree, I can't think of many of reserves that had a lot of hype but failed to live up to expectations. Gillespie, Jones, Spector maybe
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agree, I can't think of many of reserves that had a lot of hype but failed to live up to expectations. Gillespie, Jones, Spector maybe
Getting carried away with our youngsters is part of supporting United. That and loving wingers.
If the Everton kid plays well until Christmas then why not take a punt on him if Everton’s financial difficulties force a sale? I don't see the future of Morrison or Pogba being relevant. If they all have outstanding ability and become great players at United then it will be Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher that have a problem. If either or both of them don't make the grade then buying Barkley (if he is that good) would be wise move.
If the Everton kid plays well until Christmas then why not take a punt on him if Everton’s financial difficulties force a sale? I don't see the future of Morrison or Pogba being relevant. If they all have outstanding ability and become great players at United then it will be Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher that have a problem. If either or both of them don't make the grade then buying Barkley (if he is that good) would be wise move.
Fair enough - and I hope you're right.
Rossi and Pique have indeed trned into extremely good players, but I personally have my doubts whether their style of play was suited to the PL or United in general, but thats another argument for another day.
It just seems that people get all bent out of shape when I dont agree, or because I don't jump on the band wagon about this or that young player and I get accused of being negative just because I'm not shouting and bawling about what a player x or y is going to be.
Indeed the club are capable of producing top talent and long may it continue, but I'd personally be happy if one or two of the players referred to made the grade.
As I've said - my point was in response to those suggesting the club shouldnt look at emerging talents elsewhere because of players in the youth team and I simply didnt agree with that.
I've heard he is the new Bryan Robson!
I remember there was someone on here a couple years back touting Frazier Campbell as the next Eto'o. I think I remember who the poster was, but I could be wrong on that one.
I didn't see anyone suggesting we don't look at them, rather that we don't buy them for lots of money until we see how our own emerging talents in the same position (and age bracket) have progressed, particularly considering that Barkley is as unsure a thing as either of them. That's it. If you haven't seen the talents in question play, I'm not entirely sure how you can argue against that.
I just bought him on FM11 after seeing this thread, thought i should let you lot know
There were quite a few over of the years to be frank. Cooke, Curtis, Wallwork, Chadwick, Higginbottom and Gibson, to name a few more.
The last 3 were mostly hyped by the media rather than United supporters. At least not the way that players like Fletcher, O'Shea, Beckham, Giggs, Welbeck etc were judged to be certain first teamers. I agree with Curtis, can't remember Wallwork and Cookie at the start of the careers. There's not that many over the last 20 years compared with players who made it.
Grant Brebner was another - and Ben Thornley, albeit he suffered with injury.
Chadwick was going to be United's right winger for years, and played a fair few first team games but unfortunately lacked the quality to play at the top level.
As an aside I read an article in FourFourTwo a couple of months ago listing the best talents under 20 (I think). They revisited a similar article from young English players from 10 or so years ago, being players they thought were destined for the top. Very few of the many players mentioned ever did anything - most never made more than a handful of PL appearences at best and a lot of them faded completely.
Just goes to show how difficult it is top make it at the top level.
It's definitely a thing you can look at cynically and say, "oh most of these kids never make it!" But on the flip side, every single player we, or any other top team has on their books, was a youngster at some point and gained from getting the chance to play regular football and being trusted.
I remember Gibson being pretty highly rated, and David Jones was at one point expected to make the jump, but on the whole people have been more hopeful than genuinely sure about our youngsters in the last 5-10 years.
On a related note, I think probably the worst call SAF has done in the last 10 years except for selling Stam, was not giving Rossi more chances. We had him on our books at the time Ruud left and there was plenty of space in the squad for him, but for some reason it didn't happen. I think SAF might actually regret it himself, and maybe he's giving Welbeck that extra attention now because he's in a similar position. Both excelled at Reserve team level (Rossi was even better there than Welbeck IMO) and both had successful loan spells (although Rossi's was in italy with Parma).
I remember Gibson being pretty highly rated, and David Jones was at one point expected to make the jump, but on the whole people have been more hopeful than genuinely sure about our youngsters in the last 5-10 years.
On a related note, I think probably the worst call SAF has done in the last 10 years except for selling Stam, was not giving Rossi more chances. We had him on our books at the time Ruud left and there was plenty of space in the squad for him, but for some reason it didn't happen. I think SAF might actually regret it himself, and maybe he's giving Welbeck that extra attention now because he's in a similar position. Both excelled at Reserve team level (Rossi was even better there than Welbeck IMO) and both had successful loan spells (although Rossi's was in italy with Parma).
The sad thing about Rossi is that he left after Tevez arrived because he thought there'd be limited opportunities. He'd have had plenty of them that season, what with the injuries we had, and I'd have bet on him making the most of them. He was a certainty to make it somewhere.
He is supposed to be very good but the article above looks to me like adding two plus two, we might need a midfielder and he might be one of the best emerging starlets so it's logical to link us with him.
If Fergie and the club are thinking he can go the same way like Smalling and Jones then we should buy him very quick.
This guy looks good. he looks tall, solid, good touch on the ball, good confidence, likes to drive forward. Reminds me of Gerrard in younger years.
Are we looking for him? Perhaps! Still think we need another player in central midfield, but not sure he's the answer. With the way we're playing it's the responsibility of everyone to close down space high up the pitch.
We're achieving 60-70% possession which will increase as we get more familiar with playing this way so not sure if a box-to-box midfielder is what we need - more someone who can play 1-touch possession football with incisive, penetrative passing. Not saying Barkley can't do this of course!
Reports say we made an offer last season. Everton are DESPERATE for cash and were trying to offload Rodwell - so who knows!
Are we looking for him? Perhaps! Still think we need another player in central midfield, but not sure he's the answer. With the way we're playing it's the responsibility of everyone to close down space high up the pitch.
We're achieving 60-70% possession which will increase as we get more familiar with playing this way so not sure if a box-to-box midfielder is what we need - more someone who can play 1-touch possession football with incisive, penetrative passing. Not saying Barkley can't do this of course!
Reports say we made an offer last season. Everton are DESPERATE for cash and were trying to offload Rodwell - so who knows!
Let's buy him. Yes we have Pogba and Morrison waiting on the wings, but if he is a special talent like Jones, then why not.
I'd like to see us bring him in. By all accounts, he looks like he could become a top player.
I have no doubt we're watching him. I'm sure we're watching dozens of talented young footballers on the edge of premiership football.
Nothing to say it's anything more than that at the moment.
He did quite impress me in the one match I've seen him play though.
Nothing to say it's anything more than that at the moment.
He did quite impress me in the one match I've seen him play though.
In the next few years we're probably going to see the likes of Park, Giggs and even Carrick leave so having options like Pogba, Morrison and perhaps even Barkley and Rodwell isn't a bad idea. Pace, energy and technique seem to be key ingredients in Fergies next great team so these players will definitely fit the bill.
If Cleverley keeps on performing as he's currently doing (before he got injured) then I would be surprised if Carrick remains at OT in a years time. I mean he'll be 31, he won't be a first teamer, he's not a homegrown player, he's not versatile and he's hardly renowned of adding anything in particular to the team.
He's also one of our four senior midfielders who can possibly play for more than one more season (Giggs will retire at the end of this one, I'm pretty sure) which is a good enough reason to keep him.
I agree with that although I think Park can go on a bit further. I don't think Rodwell is good enough at all.
Muppet in me says United should go all out for Wilshere 
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
Muppet in me says United should go all out for Wilshere
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
I raised the same point a few weeks ago, whilst other names have been mentioned he could be a surprise target for the future.
Muppet in me says United should go all out for Wilshere
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
Would never happen. But if it did....
If Arsenal struggle along and don't make the CL for the next two years he'll definitely have the big guns turning his head.Muppet in me says United should go all out for Wilshere
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
Indeed, if he has another big season yet Arsenal don't make the CL I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea make a big bid for him come the end of this season. He'd be perfect for the position they wanted Modric for.
No chance of Wilshere whilst Arsenal are at least hovvering around the top 4. Even if they didn't get into the top 4 for a few years he'd still stay for a few years IMO.
Muppet in me says United should go all out for Wilshere
I reckon he'd be an ideal player for United. Set up United's midfield for a decade.
He'd be fantastic for us. It will never happen though. And if he does leave Arsenal if they continue their downfall, I think it would be to City. They'd blow us out of the water with a huge transfer bid for him if they had the chance. I can't see him leaving for a while anyway.
Arsenal wouldn't sell to us, they are City's feeding club.
Who's the last player to move from Arsenal to United?
I know Silvestre (old easter island head) moved there once we were done with him but i can't remember the last player they sold to us.
I know Silvestre (old easter island head) moved there once we were done with him but i can't remember the last player they sold to us.
They sold us Vieira in 2002 although he never played for us because we sold him back two hours later. It wasn't revealed by media.
I've no idea either - I do remember that Silvestre was the first player to move in that direction since we sold them Brian Kidd though...
Spurs seem to be our preferred north London feeder team, so the chances we'll get Modric (even though at this point i don't think we need him) are better then us getting Wilshere.
Still gives me shivers to think how good a midfield of Keane-Scholes-Vieira in their pomp would have been.
Viv Anderson would have to be the last player we bought from Arsenal
Two of them would fight on the training ground and the third guy would refuse to give his eyewitness account because he hates the limelight? Just a guess.
If he doesn't keep his first team place I think he will be off. Dont forget that by that time Anderson would be 24 and with ample CL/EPL experience, Cleverley would be 23, Fletch will be 28 and Park on his 30s. There's really no point in keeping a 31 yr old who struggle to keep a first team place especially if SAF adds new talent to the midfield
Oshea did better then Carrick in the past 1-2 yrs, he's homegrown and more versatile and he was sold.
You did it again devilish
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