Ross Barkley

[Fortitude]

I think it appears over the top given the type of player he is. Players like Rooney/Bale etc., will always be the poster boys because they're scoring wonder-goals and are capable of those special moments on a reasonably consistent basis, whereas players like Barkley who are the ones who are more 'tidy' and have a different type of game so to speak will be overlooked.

It's like the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard argument in a way when people overlook Scholes.

Don't think that's true. People have been going crazy over someone like Wilshire ever since he held his own vs a Barcelona midfield at the peak of its powers. I'm not sure he has more goals in his career than Barkley does to date, but he is extremely highly regarded for what he brings to the table.

Barkley clearly has talent and potential, but he has also been overrated a fair bit in relation to his performances to date. He's been good thus far, not stellar.

 

[#07]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/manchester-united-want-ross-barkley-6452643

The MEN reporting we want him in Jan. He's not what we need ffs. We need CM's. Not yet another player who plays best behind the striker.

Stuart Mathieson saying we will bid £50m for him. Brainless madness if true. £50m.

Let me get this straight: The maximum we were willing to bid for Cesc Fabregas was, if you believe the newspapers, something in the region of around 35 mil but we are willing to go to 50 mil to get Ross Barkley.

I think brainless madness is understating the case if that is indeed true.

 

[Giggsforever]

Let me get this straight: The maximum we were willing to bid for Cesc Fabregas was, if you believe the newspapers, something in the region of around 35 mil but we are willing to go to 50 mil to get Ross Barkley.

I think brainless madness is understating the case if that is indeed true.

For the talent and age, I would say it's logical that Barkley would be more expensive. We are talking about a player that could be the best midfielder in the PL for 12-15 years. If he stays injury free, it would not be a bad investment at all in todays market (with City, Chelsea, PSG, Real and Monaco artificially inflating prices by at least a quarter of the normal market).

 

[Ash_G]

For the talent and age, I would say it's logical that Barkley would be more expensive. We are talking about a player that could be the best midfielder in the PL for 12-15 years. If he stays injury free, it would not be a bad investment at all in todays market (with City, Chelsea, PSG, Real and Monaco artificially inflating prices by at least a quarter of the normal market).

Hmm not sure I agree, Barkley could be the best midfielder but certainly will take him a couple of years to get there and then maintain in, 12-15 years is very generous plus there's no guarantee, look at how Wilshere's career has somewhar stalled. Fabregas if he had come would have been the best midfielder in the league probably at least for another 6 years or so and definitely a player who could take a deeper role with his range. Wouldn't need any bedding in either.

 

[lysglimt]

Barkley is not what we need in January - but it is also a case of not letting the biggest talent in this position slipping away. I would feel pretty darn annoyed if Barkley was sold to Chelsea for £30 million (he will be more expensive but...) - and we didn't make a bid because he was not what we needed right there and then.

If there is a slight chance of getting Barkley we need to try to sign him regardless of how much we need him then and there

 

[lysglimt]

Hmm not sure I agree, Barkley could be the best midfielder but certainly will take him a couple of years to get there and then maintain in, 12-15 years is very generous plus there's no guarantee, look at how Wilshere's career has somewhar stalled. Fabregas if he had come would have been the best midfielder in the league probably at least for another 6 years or so and definitely a player who could take a deeper role with his range. Wouldn't need any bedding in either.

as for Fabregas - if we had received any kind of encouragement from Barca - we would probably have spent £10 million more to sign him. But if they told us no way regardless - there was no point in going any higher

 

[2 man midfield]

A £100m triple raid for Fellaini, Baines and Barkley!

 

[Red Dreams]

Barkley is not coming in Jan...summer? yes.

 

[Freak]

I think any deal for Barkley can wait till the summer. We need to get someone established in this winter window. Gundogan would be my choice.

 

[Nighteyes]

Barkley is not what we need. Full stop.

A CM or two, a LB and a winger should all be priority ahead of Barkley

 

[Red Dreams]

I think any deal for Barkley can wait till the summer. We need to get someone established in this winter window. Gundogan would be my choice.

do you think they will sell him in Jan?

 

[Ash_G]

as for Fabregas - if we had received any kind of encouragement from Barca - we would probably have spent £10 million more to sign him. But if they told us no way regardless - there was no point in going any higher

Maybe, tbh I have no idea what was going on there, all I can say is that it's pretty shocking that we thought that a bid of under £30m was worth their time let alone our time. We may have been led along by Fabregas's people, there may actually have been some potential there, but our bid was a waste of time imo in either scenario.

As for Barkley I don't think he's what we need either, and would be a secondary signing, we need someone to go in the middle who will be a star now or purely needs the platform to show their talents. Barkley would be a project.

 

[Getsme]

Barkley is not what we need. Full stop.

A CM or two, a LB and a winger should all be priority ahead of Barkley

I'd take Barkley in a second, he's young, English and full off talent. Yes we have to strengthen other areas but if we got him for a decent price then it would be stupid to turn it down.
We can improve other areas if you believe all the rumours that we have a shit load off money to spend.

 

[Freak]

do you think they will sell him in Jan?

Everton or Dortmund?

I think Dortmund will sell gundogan as he's been injured and they have lived without him, he hasn't signed a new contract and it seems he does not intend to. For the right price yes.

I don't think Everton will sell barkley.

 

[Nighteyes]

I'd take Barkley in a second, he's young, English and full off talent. Yes we have to strengthen other areas but if we got him for a decent price then it would be stupid to turn it down.
We can improve other areas if you believe all the rumours that we have a shit load off money to spend.

He plays in a position we already have plenty of players in including our own young players in Powell and Januzaj. And besides he won't come for decent money.

 

[Getsme]

He plays in a position we already have plenty of players in including our own young players in Powell and Januzaj. And besides he won't come for decent money.

I understand where you're coming from. While it would be good to get Powell back and playing well for us he still has a lot too prove, maybe the loan move to Hull will help us see if he has a future at the club. He has great potential and from what I've seen so far is getting better but as I said he still has it all to prove.

Barkley would greatly improve our team, he might not have a massive impact straight away but he would have an impact, over the coming years he will be quality player who will walk into any team.
If we can get him into our squad, training with better players on a daily basis then he will be an exceptional addition to the team, you just don't turn down English quality like that.

 

[gza the genius]

At the very least he's more of a midfielder than Rooney which will give us a better option if we decide to play a 4-5-1. Moyes will know Barkley best, if he thinks Barkley has the potential to be top class and is the type of midfielder we need then we should go for it. That said, I can't see it happening in January.

 

[Red Dreams]

Barkley is such an enormous talent. To let him go elsewhere would be criminal. He can play in midfield or as a forward.

Whether the club is willing to pay crazy money is another matter.

 

[Ringo 07]

So Everton make a statment to stress that Barkley will 100% not be sold for even 100 million quid in January as they have a major chance of getting into the top 4 this year and would definitely not sell one of their best players to their biggest top 4 rival.....Yet good old MEN deicide that the deal is on for 50 Million quid....Good one MEN.....Out of curiousity? Have MEN ever been accurate with anything? They seem to be a bit of a Daily Star level tabloid

 

[Giggsforever]

Barkley is not what we need in January - but it is also a case of not letting the biggest talent in this position slipping away. I would feel pretty darn annoyed if Barkley was sold to Chelsea for £30 million (he will be more expensive but...) - and we didn't make a bid because he was not what we needed right there and then.

If there is a slight chance of getting Barkley we need to try to sign him regardless of how much we need him then and there

I think he is what we need. He is just as good as a central midfielder and is really strong and has great presence. He has fantastic ability and passing as well. Look at how Pogba is playing at Juve, I think Barkley is even better than him. He would really give us something special together with Carrick and it would be hard to play us for any team with them in the middle of the park.

 

[Amir]

So Everton make a statment to stress that Barkley will 100% not be sold for even 100 million quid in January as they have a major chance of getting into the top 4 this year and would definitely not sell one of their best players to their biggest top 4 rival.....Yet good old MEN deicide that the deal is on for 50 Million quid....Good one MEN.....Out of curiousity? Have MEN ever been accurate with anything? They seem to be a bit of a Daily Star level tabloid

They had good contact with Fergie earlier on, but that was lost years ago. When it comes to United and transfer speculation, they are utterly worthless.

 

[Will Absolute]

At the very least he's more of a midfielder than Rooney which will give us a better option if we decide to play a 4-5-1. Moyes will know Barkley best, if he thinks Barkley has the potential to be top class and is the type of midfielder we need then we should go for it. That said, I can't see it happening in January.

He knew Fellaini quite well too.

In any case, if Moyes thought Barkley was a great midfield prospect, why didn't he go for him in the summer?

 

[Giggsforever]

Barkley is not what we need. Full stop.

A CM or two, a LB and a winger should all be priority ahead of Barkley

Barkley is just as much central midfielder as a attacking midfielder.

 

[Giggsforever]

He knew Fellaini quite well too.

In any case, if Moyes thought Barkley was a great midfield prospect, why didn't he go for him in the summer?

Well, he was still not playing regular and he was looking for a player that could play from the word go. You really think he dosen't rate Barkley, the player he has mentioned that several times since august when he names the great talent he has given their debut (with Rooney and Januzaj being the others)?

 

[Mister Ed]

Barkley is not what we need. Full stop.

A CM or two, a LB and a winger should all be priority ahead of Barkley

Barkley is exactly what we need, not because Everton plays him as a nr10 that he couldn't play anywhere else at United. The guy has all attributes to be a great CM for us, in fact he is the exact kind of midfielder that we need at United. Somebody with a good pass, the technical skills and a football brain to link up our midfield with the attack and up the tempo of our game.

---------------Carrick----------------
---------Rooney------Barkley---------
Valencia-----------------------Januzaj
-----------------RVP----------------

Would play some very sexy football !

We don't need a stopper or defenisve mid, we have got plenty of players that can do a decent job for us there: Fletcher, Carrick, Fellaini, Jones. We need a midfielder who can up the tempo, somebody who links up in attack, somebody with a good pass that thinks forward instead of backward or sideways without losing possession. Somebody that is physicaly strong enough for the midfield battle and plays with alot of energy. Barkley can do exactly that.

Koke, Cabaye, Herrera, Llana, Gundogan could also play that role. However I would prefer Barkley for his raw talent and potential and for the fact that he is english and really adapted to the type of football from the PL.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

35m + Zaha (1 1/2 years) + Barkley (6 months back to Everton)

 

[Barney]

The caf is hilarious sometimes. In the summer people were saying Suarez was worth £35m and some of the same people are now saying Barkley is worth more. No way he goes for more than £30m if he even goes. Rumour has it that Gerrard had a word with him and told him that he should stay.

 

[Shane88]

35m + Zaha (1 1/2 years) + Barkley (6 months back to Everton)

Not sure why, but that image of Essien with the calculator came to mind when I read that.

 

[Red Dreams]

The caf is hilarious sometimes. In the summer people were saying Suarez was worth £35m and some of the same people are now saying Barkley is worth more. No way he goes for more than £30m if he even goes. Rumour has it that Gerrard had a word with him and told him that he should stay.

and the word of a Liverpool player is worth what to an Evertonian? Most Everton supporters have no problem with Manchester United...we see each other as the second club. Of course Everton supporters would not want to lose Barkley...just like they were not happy about losing Rooney. If Barkley does leave...and most think he will, it would be to United for all the obvious reasons.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It is way too soon for Barkley to make the step up and move, in my opinion. He's only had his first half season.

 

[Buchan]

He'll sign a new deal with Everton within the next few weeks. Nothing surer.

 

[thegregster]

Their is no way Barkley will stay at Everton for the rest of his career just because Gerrard "had a word with him".

 

[Crumpsall Red]

and the word of a Liverpool player is worth what to an Evertonian? Most Everton supporters have no problem with Manchester United...we see each other as the second club. Of course Everton supporters would not want to lose Barkley...just like they were not happy about losing Rooney. If Barkley does leave...and most think he will, it would be to United for all the obvious reasons.

are you taking the piss?

 

[thegregster]

It is way too soon for Barkley to make the step up and move, in my opinion. He's only had his first half season.

Sometimes you have to act to secure the player you want. Fergie was perfectly happy for Rooney to stay at Everton for season 2004/5 but his hand got forced. I think we are in the same situation again. We probably are in no rush to go for Barkley till at least next summer(or maybe even summer 2015) but we have to factor in things such as other clubs sniffing about.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Sometimes you have to act to secure the player you want. Fergie was perfectly happy for Rooney to stay at Everton for season 2004/5 but his hand got forced. I think we are in the same situation again. We probably are in no rush to go for Barkley till at least next summer(or maybe even summer 2015) but we have to factor in things such as other clubs sniffing about.

The other factor with Barkley that some seem to be ignoring is the position that he's played all season. £35 odd million would be too much to spend on someone we haven't seen too much of in centre mid, where we could fit him in.

 

[Red Dreams]

and the word of a Liverpool player is worth what to an Evertonian? Most Everton supporters have no problem with Manchester United...we see each other as the second club. Of course Everton supporters would not want to lose Barkley...just like they were not happy about losing Rooney. If Barkley does leave...and most think he will, it would be to United for all the obvious reasons.

are you taking the piss?

have several Everton supporting mates who have no problem with Manchester United and other way round. For me growing up it actually was United...then Everton and Celtic.

 

[Sixpence]

 

[Red Dreams]

I'm shocked....


well not really.

 

[Barney]

have several Everton supporting mates who have no problem with Manchester United and other way round. For me growing up it actually was United...then Everton and Celtic.

Most Evertonians are enjoying seeing youse struggle almost as much as us.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

I'm quite amused that Martinez actually responded to questions about Barkley. Anyone with a functioning brain knows he's not available any time soon, especially in January!