Ross Barkley

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Signing this lad would fit the scheme of things at United. Another young, talented English footballer to add to the payroll. Obviously he is regarded as a special talent and it is in our DNA to work with youth. Say what you will about Everton anf Martinez, they are still a club with moderate/mediocre finances and a chairman who can not turn down huge sums of profit. They ain't gonna be winning the league/champions league anytime soon and I can only assume that a young lad like Barkley would long to play against European giants inside the walls of Old Trafford.

Do I think he is ready for the step up, yes. Do I think we'd be interested, certainly. Is he somebody that we can get, of course. Should we try to sign him over a proven continental CM? Hard to say.


ISSYNAZAR said:
I'm quite amused that Martinez actually responded to questions about Barkley. Anyone with a functioning brain knows he's not available any time soon, especially in January!
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He is not playing for Barcelona man. If the right price came in, surely he'd be sold?
 
Everton surely know that he will be sold eventually. If the offer is big enough he will be sold, even in January. It's not as if their play is reliant on him anyway, they have a very good team even without him right now. With the money they would receive they could sign two or three quality players and arguably end up with a better team.
 
Keenst said:
Everton surely know that he will be sold eventually. If the offer is big enough he will be sold, even in January. It's not as if their play is reliant on him anyway, they have a very good team even without him right now. With the money they would receive they could sign two or three quality players and arguably end up with a better team.
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Your sounding very in denial....Everton could sell him in January but they obviously won't.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Your sounding very in denial....Everton could sell him in January but they obviously won't.
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I actually think he'll be sold in the summer. All I'm saying is that he could well be sold in January, much stranger things have happened. He's not even their best player.
 
Keenst said:
Everton surely know that he will be sold eventually. If the offer is big enough he will be sold, even in January. It's not as if their play is reliant on him anyway, they have a very good team even without him right now. With the money they would receive they could sign two or three quality players and arguably end up with a better team.
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Disagree with the first part of your post. We won't sell him in January and our attacking play would suffer a great deal if we lost him. He offers something different to the Baines/Pienaar combo which we have relied on in the past and he's key to us doing that.
 
SilentWitness said:
Disagree with the first part of your post. We won't sell him in January and our attacking play would suffer a great deal if we lost him. He offers something different to the Baines/Pienaar combo which we have relied on in the past and he's key to us doing that.
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Don't you think he could be replaced though given the inevitably huge transfer fee?

Edit: sorry you've only mentioned the first part of my post.. Personally I think you would cope fine without him. His potential is huge but he's not the finished article. He does offer something different all right but a replacement could potentially fill that void.
 
Keenst said:
Don't you think he could be replaced though given the inevitably huge transfer fee?
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It depends. If offers came in for both Barkley and Baines then i'd rather sell Baines. Barkley is 20 as improving with every game, he's a monstrous talent and i doubt anyone we bought would have the same amount of potential which he does. I'd rather keep him and try to get into Europe as if we do that then there is every possibility that we could keep improving and he would stay. A lot rests upon this season.
 
SilentWitness said:
Disagree with the first part of your post. We won't sell him in January and our attacking play would suffer a great deal if we lost him. He offers something different to the Baines/Pienaar combo which we have relied on in the past and he's key to us doing that.
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I cant see him moving in Jan either. Summer will be a different story. I don't know what his release clause his btw....
 
Gaeilge said:
Signing this lad would fit the scheme of things at United. Another young, talented English footballer to add to the payroll. Obviously he is regarded as a special talent and it is in our DNA to work with youth. Say what you will about Everton anf Martinez, they are still a club with moderate/mediocre finances and a chairman who can not turn down huge sums of profit. They ain't gonna be winning the league/champions league anytime soon and I can only assume that a young lad like Barkley would long to play against European giants inside the walls of Old Trafford.

Do I think he is ready for the step up, yes. Do I think we'd be interested, certainly. Is he somebody that we can get, of course. Should we try to sign him over a proven continental CM? Hard to say.




He is not playing for Barcelona man. If the right price came in, surely he'd be sold?
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Nobody is going to break records for him yet. Everton are in a good place with Barkley currently content with where he is. There's no pressure to do it.

After the world cup will be when things open up a bit. But it depends on where Everton finish. I don't think he'd move on a 4th place finish for example, not yet.
 
Is he THAT good? At 50 million quid we are talking more than Gotze or Neymar and with all due respect, he's neither.
 
Suedesi said:
Is he THAT good? At 50 million quid we are talking more than Gotze or Neymar and with all due respect, he's neither.
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We'd never pay £50 million for him imo unless he hit an unbelieveable level in say two years time.We'd be buying potential as everyone does when they invest in such a young player.Any move any time soon would require the lad pushing for a move and I aint sure that's gonna happen!
 
Suedesi said:
Is he THAT good? At 50 million quid we are talking more than Gotze or Neymar and with all due respect, he's neither.
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Of course he isn't, it's just english media hyping him up like crazy so of course his price will sky rocket. Nobody will pay over 30m for him and rightfully so, it'd be complete madness, of Bale for 100m proportions if somebody actually bid 50m for him.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Nobody is going to break records for him yet. Everton are in a good place with Barkley currently content with where he is. There's no pressure to do it.

After the world cup will be when things open up a bit. But it depends on where Everton finish. I don't think he'd move on a 4th place finish for example, not yet.
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Agreed! Should they finish in top 4, he would obviously stay to get the experience with his team. If he were to finish outside, I could see something happening sooner, rather than later (not necessarily us).

I get what you are saying about not rushing, but, if it were to be left too late, he is somebody that we could very well miss out on.
 
Kostur said:
Would you consider Bale's retarded fee something normal and something we should follow?
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Not saying you should but it's the state of affairs when it comes to British talent as even the average/good players go for quite a lot of money. All the big British talents were going for around 20-40 million in the past until the Bale fee which took it to 80m. If Barkley continues his progress then 40m+ would be what i'd expect in terms of the 'market'.

Mainoldo said:
Who's made a bigger impact out of the three?? Bale is better than them regardless of the fee anyway.
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I think Gotze and Neymar have bigger potential than Bale and will end up proving so in the future.
 
SilentWitness said:
Not saying you should but it's the state of affairs when it comes to British talent as even the average/good players go for quite a lot of money. All the big British talents were going for around 20-40 million in the past until the Bale fee which took it to 80m. If Barkley continues his progress then 40m+ would be what i'd expect in terms of the 'market'.



I think Gotze and Neymar have bigger potential than Bale and will end up proving so in the future.
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Neymar maybe... however Bale will have a better career than both and Stats wise I can only see Neymar having the potential to match him.
 
Mainoldo said:
Neymar maybe... however Bale will have a better career than both and Stats wise I can only see Neymar having the potential to match him.
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Gotze is probably a better player now and he's got way more natural talent and potential. He had a release clause though, otherwise he would have gone for over 50m easily.
 
bosnian_red said:
Gotze is probably a better player now and he's got way more natural talent and potential. He had a release clause though, otherwise he would have gone for over 50m easily.
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Not buying it... Neymar and Bale are ahead of Gotze right now and would have accommodated more money regardless of the buyout clause. He would have gone for less if he didn't have it and it wasn't Bayern buying him. He is very talented though not more natural than Neymar however.
 
Mainoldo said:
Not buying it... Neymar and Bale are ahead of Gotze right now and would have accommodated more money regardless of the buyout clause. He would have gone for less if he didn't have it and it wasn't Bayern buying him. He is very talented though not more natural than Neymar however.
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Mainoldo said:
Why? Can't Bale improve?
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There's absolutely no chance of that, I remember the year before Bayern bought him Arsenal bid 40m on the last day and Dortmund said no chance is he leaving. I'd say you're really underrating Gotze. Bale is a good goalscorer but in terms of overall play, is far away from Gotze, and isn't as talented as him.
Neymar currently isn't ahead of Gotze either, maybe one day he will but he is far less experienced at the top level. As for why Bale doesn't have as much potential, it's because Gotze has much more natural talent, is a much more intelligent player, rather then just being physically impressive and having a great shot on him (bale).
Anyways, this is the Barkley thread, don't want to derail it.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He can but I think gotze is more talented.
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I've never seen Goetze do anything of real note. Except miss a boat load of chances for Dortmund in the CL. Everyone keeps telling me what a wonder player he is. We'll see I guess. I'm not judging his talent, because I've only seen him play a handful of times and he was pretty crap every time. But there is so much hype around him I must have just been unlucky when I watched him.

A part of me can't help but hope he never lives up to the hype. Something about the way he left Dortmund for Munich kinda sickens me. If Lewandowski does the same, it will have cemented my contempt for Bayern. This despite having a good deal of admiration for the way they run their club in the past.

They look like dominating German football for a long time.

Gotze is probably a better player now and he's got way more natural talent and potential.
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Goetze might have "way" more natural talent, I haven't seen him enough to judge; but to say he's a better player than Bale right now is crazy. He's done nothing so far compared to Bale, who last year won Player of the Year. Goetze hasn't come even close to consistently replicating Bale's performances yet. Goetze might eventually surpass him but he's much further from the finished article currently than Bale is.
 
SilentWitness said:
Not saying you should but it's the state of affairs when it comes to British talent as even the average/good players go for quite a lot of money. All the big British talents were going for around 20-40 million in the past until the Bale fee which took it to 80m. If Barkley continues his progress then 40m+ would be what i'd expect in terms of the 'market'
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Let's hope that such curve is not continued then.
 
50m for Barkley.....

Oh dear.... 50m???

If we indeed have that much money and moyes pour it all on barkley, im really lost for words...

50M....

And this is barkley which cant get a game under him, seriously... 50m? He's far from worth 50m....
 
It seems that moyes only sees everton players. He's targeting baines, barkley, fellaini. Its not likw they're on bargain...

He should take more risk and go beyond marauding everton for players at a ripoff price
 
Sky1981 said:
It seems that moyes only sees everton players. He's targeting baines, barkley, fellaini. Its not likw they're on bargain...

He should take more risk and go beyond marauding everton for players at a ripoff price
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He hasn't been linked at all I don't think, it's just supporters saying that's who they would buy.
 
SilentWitness said:
It depends. If offers came in for both Barkley and Baines then i'd rather sell Baines. Barkley is 20 as improving with every game, he's a monstrous talent and i doubt anyone we bought would have the same amount of potential which he does. I'd rather keep him and try to get into Europe as if we do that then there is every possibility that we could keep improving and he would stay. A lot rests upon this season.
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The problem Everton will have in holding onto this lad is that if he continues his form this season they'll get huge offers for him in the summer.

Whether he's happy to stay becomes secondary - because owing to Everton's financial posision (well publicised by Kenwright on a regular basis) they will most likely want to cash in to keep the club financially sound and to give Martinez money to spend next summer.

This may be avoidable if they qualify for the Champions League but I dont see that happening frankly. They're a decent side but very reliant on a strong first XI. I dont think they'll have the overall quality to finish above one of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or City.

Its been likened to the Gareth Bale situation in the press, but Spurs were much better off than Everton and could afford to keep the player. The player wanted out in that scenario.

This lad may be Everton through and through but having had a serious injury once in his career may think that a big move may only come along once. For a large fee it might suit everyone involved. As it stands I dont see that Everton are likely to challenge in the near future for top honours, despite where they are now because of their financial position and the fact that six or seven clubs at least can outspend them year on year.

He looks a top prospect and I'd like to think United would be in for him if he was available.
 
BarneyLFC said:
He hasn't been linked at all I don't think, it's just supporters saying that's who they would buy.
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He was the other day in the papers - possibly just lazy journalism, but you wouldnt be surprised. Moyes will have seen him develop and will know all about him.
 
In all honesty, we probably should have tried to sign him in the summer. He would be a very good addition and isn't cup tied for europe.
 
Sky1981 said:
It seems that moyes only sees everton players. He's targeting baines, barkley, fellaini. Its not likw they're on bargain...

He should take more risk and go beyond marauding everton for players at a ripoff price
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I thought Everton were currently the best thing since sliced bread on here? Oh and Fabregas and Herrera says you're talking fecking shite as per usual.
 
RedRover said:
The problem Everton will have in holding onto this lad is that if he continues his form this season they'll get huge offers for him in the summer.

Whether he's happy to stay becomes secondary - because owing to Everton's financial posision (well publicised by Kenwright on a regular basis) they will most likely want to cash in to keep the club financially sound and to give Martinez money to spend next summer.

This may be avoidable if they qualify for the Champions League but I dont see that happening frankly. They're a decent side but very reliant on a strong first XI. I dont think they'll have the overall quality to finish above one of United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or City.

Its been likened to the Gareth Bale situation in the press, but Spurs were much better off than Everton and could afford to keep the player. The player wanted out in that scenario.

This lad may be Everton through and through but having had a serious injury once in his career may think that a big move may only come along once. For a large fee it might suit everyone involved. As it stands I dont see that Everton are likely to challenge in the near future for top honours, despite where they are now because of their financial position and the fact that six or seven clubs at least can outspend them year on year.

He looks a top prospect and I'd like to think United would be in for him if he was available.
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Like I said before, a lot rests upon this season and as it stands things are looking more positive for us than for you.
 
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