Of course you would turn down 30m bid. You turned down 23m for that big skinny lump let alone Barkley who even at the moment is clearly better and more round footballer.
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Arguably the biggest English talent in the country and one of the biggest talents in the PL right now. I doubt his stock would go down if he has a poorer second half of the season as it won't be detrimental to his huge potential, plus Martinez has been managing him and the squad superbly so far.
The only way is up for him and we have no reason to let him leave so it's not silly to say it will take a huge fee for him to leave if he carries on the way he is. After all, Rooney wasn't with us for that long (obviously had first team action more than Barkley has so far though) and he went for a big fee...and the market today is much more inflated.
You'd definitely turn down 30mil but Gareth BAle size valuations? Cmon.
Everton might or might not fade away, but his quality wont be doubted because of that. He's a superb prospect. And we arent a club that can wait a few seasons to actually see a prospect turn into a proper star because then we wont be able to dish out the cash required to get them. If we want him, we have to go in early. Wait a couple of seasons and then we'd be simply priced out of a move.
It's hard to compare considering they are different players and different ages, but by the time Barkley is 24, as Bale is (assuming he hasn't left the club and reaches his potential), then a Bale valuation wouldn't be out of the question considering the inflated market. 50m+ could well be a price we see.
I really do. When Rooney came onto the scene he was a much more explosive player than Barkley is, yet had the air of maturity that the biggest of talents usually have. Barkley's game is generally calm and composed yet quick and explosive at times, but he also has the maturity of a player beyond his years.
I think it is testament to Barkley and of his talent that even though he's playing as a no.10 he drops deep and wants to make an impact onto the game and does so. He's probably our main creative outlay with Baines out of the side and although Barry/McCarthy do well at keeping possession, Barkley is excellent at creating something out of that possession, whether it be space for other players or himself.
Rooney was clearly more talented at the same age. Rooney came onto the scene at 16 wasn't it? No point comparing Barkley to 16 year old Rooney.
If you somehow manage to keep him for the next 4 years and he develops the way he's expected to, 50mil+ for sure. But I really doubt you can hold onto him that long. But even now, think he'l go for 35mil+ unless he throws a shit storm to leave.
30M + for Barkley? The footy world has really gone mental.
I can understand Everton getting excited about a young prospect coming through. It's what I like about Everton, that they give youth a chance. What I'm saying is, yes he has burst onto the scene spectacularly but I don't want you getting blinded. By the time the dust settles a little he might not be as highly regarded as the Evertonians expect him to be. I could be wrong, and I will be happy if I am from an England point of view.
Aye, it's hard not to be excited as an Everton fan right now given that everything seems to be going well for us. I'm fairly confident with Barkley though, i've followed his progress since he was about 17 and i've always thought he'd become an England international, but currently he has surpassed the hopes i had for him so i may be going a little over the top!
I think the praise is over the top at the moment, in my eyes he's nowhere near as talented as Rooney when he came through. Rooney was a one off and a talent in a generation and was standing out on the international stage let alone in the Premier League. Barkley might reach those levels but I just don't see it.
I think it appears over the top given the type of player he is. Players like Rooney/Bale etc., will always be the poster boys because they're scoring wonder-goals and are capable of those special moments on a reasonably consistent basis, whereas players like Barkley who are the ones who are more 'tidy' and have a different type of game so to speak will be overlooked.
It's like the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard argument in a way when people overlook Scholes.
It's like the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard argument in a way when people overlook Scholes.
Out of those 3 players he definitely is not a Scholes.
He has a point. It's a lot easier for goalscorers to make the headlines and get noticed.
Barkley's strengths seem to lie in his drive, technical ability and intelligence as much as anything else. He's very complete but most of his good work does come in the buildup rather than final third.
Barkley's strengths seem to lie in his drive, technical ability and intelligence as much as anything else. He's very complete but most of his good work does come in the buildup rather than final third.
I never said Barkley was like Scholes as a player.
I'm speaking of when people choose Gerrard/Lampard over Scholes as a better player due to their goals and such.
Similar to how people would regard Bale/Rooney as a bigger talent because of their 'special moments' and such.
That is my view anyway.
I'm speaking of when people choose Gerrard/Lampard over Scholes as a better player due to their goals and such.
Similar to how people would regard Bale/Rooney as a bigger talent because of their 'special moments' and such.
That is my view anyway.
He's definitely not Gerrard or lampard either given his ability on the ball.
He's a very different player really. Toure is a decent comparison. A less physically dominant and defensively sound but more flashy and attack minded version.
It's a fair point. What has impressed me about Barkley so much doesn't even have to do with any goal related moments.nits his general quality and ability on the ball that I think is quality.
Whatever price we buy Barkley for will be inflated due to us paying 27.5m for Fellaini.
Maybe...but I don think so. Fellaini is not young and British - Barkley (assuming he continues to fulfil his promise) will be compared to Bale.
It is well said by Martinez but let's be honest. 40-50m and he's gone. That's not a slight on Everton.
A lot will depend on what Barkley has to say at the end of the season, and whether he makes it in the England team or not. Knowing Hodgson, it'll be Lampard and Gerard in midfield so that could work in our favour.
No worries. Barkley will be doing his usual which is improving and collecting solid performances on Premier League level.
The decisive power is in our manager's hands who has clearly underused budget from previous window and will have even more resources in 2014. Pretty much everyone in United's staff knows Barkley more than anyone which should also help and I'm sure it will.
If he's really willing to go Rooney's way, club's door should be already opened for him.
I wonder what sort of relationship Moyes has with Barkley -- if he could persuade Barkley to come to United over any other suitors? I also wonder if United and Moyes thought so highly of him why he wasn't bought this past summer? Is it because Moyes didn't think Barkley was ready for United?
I think Barkley's overall deal will be, with add-ons, in the £40m range. Just a feeling, mind...
I think Barkley's overall deal will be, with add-ons, in the £40m range. Just a feeling, mind...
Okay he is definitely not Gerrard but then you compare him to Toure?
His very much Gerrard out of that bunch and he is not an exceptional passer to make me think he should be out of this Gerrard category.
Way better than with Rooney who's already adapted to his new 'old' boss.
The reason why Barkley playing so well after tragic injury was mainly David Moyes and his method how to deal with pressure on teenage footballers. The reason why Everton is such good and stable side is also not a coincidence.
Around £40m with a portion as add-ons would be about right.
Can't we just give the Fellaini back and 20m
Can't we just give the Fellaini back and 20m
I think there is an error with your equation. Here, let me fix it for you:
Barkley = 40m = Fellaini + £39 999 999 (plus minus £1).
Are people in this thread insinuating that Gerrard and Lampard are or were not quality on the ball, or have I got that wrong?
There are fairly big comparisons to Gerrard, in my opinion.
There are fairly big comparisons to Gerrard, in my opinion.
Barkley will be a target for Moyes and because he an english product he will.pay over the odds for him
Anyone who thinks this is a possibility in January is going to be disappointed. No chance in hell.
summer target for sure.
The acquisition of Barkley would surely mean the end for Kagawa, right?
Well, well club that doesn't finish in the top four with fans very quickly getting above their station insisting that their star player won't be sold for all the tea in China because of comments made by manager and/or chairman.
....what a completely unique situation. I cannot think of a single precedent, including a similar scenario that definitely didn't happen a few months ago.
....what a completely unique situation. I cannot think of a single precedent, including a similar scenario that definitely didn't happen a few months ago.
He'll go for 50m when he decides to leave Everton. Reminds me of Gerrard, but I think he has a better footballing brain. He makes some youthful errors but you can see the intelligence behind his play.
He has better dribbling, close control, doesn't mean he has a better brain, he makes the same mistakes that Gerrard did at his age, Gerrard didn't have the benefit of having a manager who would put him behind a striker though till later in his career.
if there was a time for us being after Barkley it would have been this summer instead of Fellaini.
Not once he's become a regular and showing flashes of genius, and the fee trebles!
Not once he's become a regular and showing flashes of genius, and the fee trebles!
Nah. Look at Ferdinand and Carrick mate.
Not so much striking when irons hot as when it's fully established it's scotchers.
If Everton are willing to sell Barkley for 50 million in the summer than we should simply snap their hands off and maybe offer a couple of fringe players too....I feel that if we got Barkley then it would instantly exorcise the Pogba demons in the same way CR7 exorcized the Ronaldinho demons in the past
We probably could be lining up with a Barkley-Carrick-Pogba midfield this year had we played our cards right. Would have been beautiful Definitely wouldn't be disappointed to see us splashing big money on this guy, exactly what we need and has huge potential. Also seems a lot more realistic than the Thiago transfer saga in the summer. Don't think we'd get him in January but the summer perhaps... though it would be sickening if he chooses an oil club over us due to us missing CL footy.
Definitely wouldn't be disappointed to see us splashing big money on this guy, exactly what we need and has huge potential. Also seems a lot more realistic than the Thiago transfer saga in the summer. Don't think we'd get him in January but the summer perhaps... though it would be sickening if he chooses an oil club over us due to us missing CL footy.- Status