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Ross Barkley
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Could be a case of striking when the iron is hot. You can't always delay these things. "Give him another season here, another there". If we always did that we'd not really sign anyone as there's always going to be someone else on the horizon. He's shown he can hold his own in this league, he's been a professional for a few years now, he's played at youth intenrational level to some acclaim and he's 20 years old now.
I'm not saying definitely buy him but we have to shy away from this caution of thinking a player is still 'young' and not worth the risk yet until they're well into their mid 20s. Now's the time where if he is to kick on he needs to be exposed to regular football and doing that with better players than what a club like Everton can provide. If we sign him he'll be playing with a higher quality player, against higher quality opponents and against more competitive PL opposition (cos everyone tries harder against us innit).
I'd rather we took the punt and saw what he's made of rather than letting him remain at the level that will be ultimately limiting to any player with real ability until he reaches the age of 22/23 by which time he'll inevitably look less appealing than the new shiny up and coming 18 year old that there'll be around at that time.
I'm not saying definitely buy him but we have to shy away from this caution of thinking a player is still 'young' and not worth the risk yet until they're well into their mid 20s. Now's the time where if he is to kick on he needs to be exposed to regular football and doing that with better players than what a club like Everton can provide. If we sign him he'll be playing with a higher quality player, against higher quality opponents and against more competitive PL opposition (cos everyone tries harder against us innit).
I'd rather we took the punt and saw what he's made of rather than letting him remain at the level that will be ultimately limiting to any player with real ability until he reaches the age of 22/23 by which time he'll inevitably look less appealing than the new shiny up and coming 18 year old that there'll be around at that time.
That post is rather arrogant.
we will definitely go for him in the summer imo.
It's nothing of the kind. United have a better quality of player (despite current league situations) play teams in the league who raise their game as happens with all 'glamour' clubs and can offer him CL football, which Everton don't have and aren't odds-on to be able to provide in the near future.
Presumably you don't think you're arrogant for thinking Everton offer him a higher quality of football/footballers to work with than say West Brom or Sunderland?
I don't see where we'd fit him in. Unless his future lies in centre midfield or we intend to offload van Persie and Kagawa. A scouse partnership of Rooney and Barkley would be interesting...
Besides all that, we couldn't afford him. Everton would probably demand close to £40 million with him being English.
Besides all that, we couldn't afford him. Everton would probably demand close to £40 million with him being English.
That's the issue I have with his signing. While he has the tools to play further back on the field, if we buy him for such inflated fee it would be based on his showing as a #10, a position I don't see us playing him in. I don't want another Anderson on the cards. If we intend to buy a midfielder for a huge fee, I'd rather buy a midfielder whose huge fee is based on his time spent as a midfielder, not as a forward.
We are miles ahead of West Brom and Sunderland, as the league table and performances this season have shown. Sticking with this season as it's the first time Barkley has had the opportunity to play consistent first team football, we have also been much better than yourselves and have been playing the better football.
How can you offer him CL football? You haven't qualified for it yet and face a tough battle to do so.
I wouldn't mind us paying 40 million for him. He could easily give us 10+ years of top football so it's a worthy investment. And there is no way he won't succeed. He's just going to be a top draw player for someone and I hope it's us.
So it's fine to say of two clubs who play in the exact same division and competitions that one is "miles ahead" of the other. Yet to say that a club who plays, yes in the same division, but undoubtedly a much higher quality of continental competition than the another is "arrogant"?
Are you familiar with the "I look up to/down on him" sketch?
Where is the evidence this season that United are of higher quality than us at this current time when Barkley is playing?
Barkley will be in no rush to leave anyway. He's playing great for his club, who also happen to be having their best season in years. Why would he leave now? He seems to have his head screwed on too. Don't think the top dollar we could offer would turn his head quite yet.
We can afford that plus pretty much every season there's English players arriving here as integral part of club's tradition and if Barkley himself will be constantly improving to that certain level where he will look for a bit bigger challenge Moyes & Woody really shouldn't hesitate this time.
Rooney, Powell, Barkley and Welbeck is a huge but still reasonable English offensive line for a club that is having the same ambitions as Bayern or Barca. Collecting best domestic talents is a part of this ride.
He's at a place where he's exposed to regular football and given quite a lot of responsibility. He's playing in a team that has, so far this season, played better football than us and he's got a manager who will no doubt encourage his technical development focusing on a style of play that is very positive.
If he were to sign for us, say in January (don't get me wrong, I'm all for acquiring super promising midfielders) he may very well be put under huge pressure to deliver for a team that's been under the cosh and has yet to formalize a particular style. While he could remain at Everton and keep impressing, having a very real chance of going to the World Cup.
I can't help thinking since his coming to the fore this season, that we actually bought Fellaini (who may still prove a decent acquisition) for 28m, while we could potentially have bought Barkley for less...did Moyes not realise how good he is?
Since the start of the season I've heard that:
1. We are now less appealing to potential targets than Tottenham.
2. Are nothing better than a mid-table club.
3. Barely have the squad for a top 4 team.
4. Should be grateful for advancing to the UCL knock-out stages.
and now
5. We are potentially less appealing than Everton.
And we haven't really played half the games yet. We've really bored/pissed off non-United supporters to death with virtually constant success.
1. We are now less appealing to potential targets than Tottenham.
2. Are nothing better than a mid-table club.
3. Barely have the squad for a top 4 team.
4. Should be grateful for advancing to the UCL knock-out stages.
and now
5. We are potentially less appealing than Everton.
And we haven't really played half the games yet. We've really bored/pissed off non-United supporters to death with virtually constant success.
That's not what anyone meant though. Barkley has already got a good thing going at Everton and he's enjoying the responsibility that has been placed on him. We don't have a settled side yet, we don't even know where we'll play Barkley if we sign him. Whenever he does decide to move, and he will in the next two or three seasons, I expect us to be in the mix but he has absolutely no reason to leave Everton right now. It doesn't mean that Everton have suddenly become more attractive than us, it just means that it is the safe thing to do from his perspective.
If he has the memory and future-planning of a goldfish, then certainly. Don't want to sound arrogant but SilentWitness should know that considering football status, Everton are as bigger than West Brom as they are smaller than us and that's not gonna change overnight. It's not arrogant, right?
For the record it's not even me wanting us to steal Barkley from them as I'm yet to take a real liking to him as a player. Just a potential situation if we do decide to go for him.
I wasn't thinking in terms of past status as this is the year when Barkley has been involved in first team football. Currently we have been better than both you and West Brom, and we are the perfect club for him at this moment in time. If we manage to continue to grow and get into Europe then i'd consider us just as attractive to him as you. Obviously this argument is hypothetical.
one year or even 4 or 5 cannot change where United are as a club. Unless Moyes gets us relgated, he will have at least 3 seasons to get us a title.
The argument is bollocks. Everton don't become a "better club" because results up until December have been better. You're also above Chelsea and the same also doesn't apply there either.
Atletico Madrid are above Real Madrid yet would you think anyone who says "We (Atletico) are a more attractive option because we're above Real in the table" was anything other than a bit of a goon?
For most football fans, football is about the current season. When a team is riding on a wave of form, it's difficult for them to imagine that a bad run of form will follow as well. Just look at the caf as well, after our two consecutive draws and two consecutive defeats in four games, we didn't even know where our next win was going to come from and everything was doom and gloom. And now 4 games later we are talking about winning the next 4 games as well. Everton are playing some seriously good football since the beginning of the season, so you can understand that their fans would be starting to dream bigger.
Did i say we are a better club in general? Nope, i'm talking about this season. We have been better.
So you're basing where it's best for someone to play football on nothing but recent results?
I feel like some people don't think rationally at all when it comes to transfers. They think we can sign players like koke and Barkley based on our name, even though they're key parts of their hometown clubs and those clubs are the best they've been in years and can offer everything we can at this moment in time, other then high wages. Then again some other fans think we can only go for or sign players once they get transfer listed or want to sign for us. It's a case of being realistic, looking at the state of the club their at, how good the player is, and their roles there. Fabregas at Barca last summer? Very stupid target, no chance of ever getting him, especially considering when we actually went for him.
Why would Barkley leave now? Everton has looked better then us this season, are 4th place in the league, while we are 8th, and it's his hometown club. It's not like he's been dying to play for united his whole career that he will leave a club that he is a key part of, and go to united where he will probably be on the bench at first. If they make champions league next season then there is no chance he will leave next summer either. Depending on evertons progress, I can see him leaving 2 summers from now but no sooner really.
Why would Barkley leave now? Everton has looked better then us this season, are 4th place in the league, while we are 8th, and it's his hometown club. It's not like he's been dying to play for united his whole career that he will leave a club that he is a key part of, and go to united where he will probably be on the bench at first. If they make champions league next season then there is no chance he will leave next summer either. Depending on evertons progress, I can see him leaving 2 summers from now but no sooner really.
Part of me wishes that we could turn back time and Moyes spending the Fellaini money on him instead 
In fact add another 5 million quid more
In fact add another 5 million quid moreJuve was fecking relegated in 2006 and by the time they came back, I bet they were more appealing to any football player than good domestic clubs like Everton, Wolfsburg etc.
Had Barkley joined in the summer he may well have already played in games against Shaktar, Real Sociedad and Bayer Leverkusen. If he signs next month he may well experience a cup semi-final/final and knock-out stages of the CL. Games that would undoubtedly expanded his playing horizons and opened him up to a different/higher standard of football than Everton can provide or are very likely to provide in the near or distant future.
The idea that you discount that because Everton "also" play West Brom and Southampton and have ammassed more points thus far this season is silly
The idea that you discount that because Everton "also" play West Brom and Southampton and have ammassed more points thus far this season is silly
To make it even more ridiculous, they have the whole lot of 2 points more. That's one football game won/lost difference. Amazing that dismissal of United this season isn't it.
Nope.
1) He's a key player in a side fighting for a CL/EL place.
2) He's being managed well by Martinez and is being allowed freedom in how he plays.
3) The team in general is playing well and he's a part of this at his hometown club.
I wouldn't say 17 games is recent results either, it's half a season. He will be offered a big contract probably so money wouldn't be an incentive to join United anyway.
To your latest point, how could you be sure Barkley would be playing in those games? Unlikely IMO given how careful Moyes was with him up until this point and then he suddenly decides to use him in the CL? How could you be sure if he signed for you in the summer that he would be getting game time at all?
Pardon? We are 6 points ahead of you last time i checked.
Oh my bad, mistook your lot for Spurs. 6 points is a huge advantage, then. Good luck keeping it up, though.
I don't think you're trying to say Everton is more appealing to players now then united, which most people here seem to think you are. It's more of a case of why would Barkley leave when you guys are fighting for the same thing we are, you are his hometown club (which people seem to be disregarding just because we're interested), he's got a key role as a #10 at Everton and if he did come here, he'd probably only be a squad player at first. Another year or 2 at Everton at the very least is the way he sees it I think, as I don't think somebody throwing high wages at him will sway him too much.
It's now down to 6 points? I thought it was more than that actually. Which makes me confident we'll finish ahead of you very comfortably come May, but that's another subject though
He kissed his badge when he scored. He'll never leave Everton now.
He was very good again yesterday against Swansea, his awareness, technique and use of the ball is impressive in such a young player, plus he's big, strong and fast. I think another season as a main man at Everton would be good for him but if his form keeps up I think there will be bids in the summer, I'm not convinced we'll be in the mix though.
On one hand he fits our buying strategy to a T, but he's also likely to cost well beyond our current transfer record, as ridiculous as that is for a 19 year old with one proper season under his belt. The other issue is where we'd play him, I don't see him coming in to play as a back-up, so unless Rooney is going and we are gonna take a punt on a young replacement, or RvP goes and Rooney moves to the #9 role, I don't see us going for him.
On one hand he fits our buying strategy to a T, but he's also likely to cost well beyond our current transfer record, as ridiculous as that is for a 19 year old with one proper season under his belt. The other issue is where we'd play him, I don't see him coming in to play as a back-up, so unless Rooney is going and we are gonna take a punt on a young replacement, or RvP goes and Rooney moves to the #9 role, I don't see us going for him.
We both are fighting for a champs league place obviously, but it's not like he was a united fan in his youth and dreamed of playing for us. Players have a bit of loyalty too you know, especially when it's considering it's his boyhood/hometown club. Why would he leave this season, or even next season if Everton make it to the champions league? No reason at all.
Chelsea or City will most likely get him. Probably Chelsea as City have toure.
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