Don't think so, Januzaj is pretty much a first choice winger at this point and Barkley would probably play further back for us rather then behind the striker. We have Rooney, Kagawa, Januzaj as #10's so I doubt we'd see Barkley there much at all if we signed him.
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Don't think so, Januzaj is pretty much a first choice winger at this point and Barkley would probably play further back for us rather then behind the striker. We have Rooney, Kagawa, Januzaj as #10's so I doubt we'd see Barkley there much at all if we signed him.
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Given his current run of good form is playing as a No.10, what makes people think he can play central midfield?
People need to remember we have Powell as well.
Resident Everton fans - what's Barkleys best position?
People need to remember we have Powell as well.
Resident Everton fans - what's Barkleys best position?
Given his current run of good form is playing as a No.10, what makes people think he can play central midfield?
People need to remember we have Powell as well.
Resident Everton fans - what's Barkleys best position?
He has all the attributes needed to be a very good box-to-box midfielder. At the moment his best position is as a no.10 due to his naivety at times but with a couple of years experience he'd have no trouble in being shifted back.
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He has all the attributes needed to be a very good box-to-box midfielder. At the moment his best position is as a no.10 due to his naivety at times but with a couple of years experience he'd have no trouble in being shifted back.
Can we stop trying to convert Attacking midfielders. This is not 1997... 4-4-2 is nolonger the only formation in England. Barkley is an AM and will probably remain that way for a good 10 years.
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Given his current run of good form is playing as a No.10, what makes people think he can play central midfield?
People need to remember we have Powell as well.
Resident Everton fans - what's Barkleys best position?
Powell could develop into a player just as good as Barkley next season, so let's wait and see.
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Given his current run of good form is playing as a No.10, what makes people think he can play central midfield?
People need to remember we have Powell as well.
Resident Everton fans - what's Barkleys best position?
We seem so desperate for midfielders that we seem to want to convert forwards into central midfielders. Same goes for Powell. He's played in midifield, off the striker and upfront for Crewe and now for Wigan, but he looks much much more comfortable as a forward. His strength is scoring goals. Barkley looks at his best playing behind a striker, though he did play a mean box to boxer on loan at Sheffield Wednesday, but I think he's more potent as an advanced player.
Let forwards be forwards, and just buy actual central midfielders.
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Every fecker and his dog is a no10 these days. Some of them must be capable of playing in midfield!
He's played as a box-to-box midfielder quite a bit throughout his whole career and it's only really this season he has taken the AM position up and made it his own. His game against QPR 2 years ago was in the CM position where he was MOTM at 17.
In Barkleys case it isn't converting an AM into a CM as he is perfectly capable of playing both positions, but due to his development stage at the moment he's better as an AM where it doesn't matter as much when he loses the ball (plus McCarthy and Barry are brilliant at keeping it/winning it back so we have no need to move him back yet, if ever).
In Barkleys case it isn't converting an AM into a CM as he is perfectly capable of playing both positions, but due to his development stage at the moment he's better as an AM where it doesn't matter as much when he loses the ball (plus McCarthy and Barry are brilliant at keeping it/winning it back so we have no need to move him back yet, if ever).
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We should buy him in January and loan him back to Everton for 1 1/2 years.
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We seem so desperate for midfielders that we seem to want to convert forwards into central midfielders. Same goes for Powell. He's played in midifield, off the striker and upfront for Crewe and now for Wigan, but he looks much much more comfortable as a forward. His strength is scoring goals. Barkley looks at his best playing behind a striker, though he did play a mean box to boxer on loan at Sheffield Wednesday, but I think he's more potent as an advanced player.
Let forwards be forwards, and just buy actual central midfielders.
Powell could have looked a world beater in midfield for all you know. I'd rather trust the knowledge of people like Alex Ferguson as opposed to your simplistic idea that a young player should just stay where they start out.
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What's the point in ever debating anything then?
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What's the point in ever debating anything then?
Yeah, whats the point in making an argument about something you've never seen before? Unless he was an avid Crewe follower that saw Powell in midfield?
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Still don't think he's what we need. Latest 'great English hope'. He'd cost a fortune, and has really only been great for a few months. And arguable how great he's been. He has enormous potential, but we're not really in the position of paying 30m for a possibly good player anymore.
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What's the point in ever debating anything then?
Well thats a bit ignorant. We could have a debate about converting Valencia to right back too.. but it has to have a little relevence. The guy has been used as an attacking point of a midfield trio for both Everton and England and when Moyes was his manager he used him in the same position. Just because we need a centre midfielder doesn't mean we have to try convert everyone into that position. He would do well here if we played him exactly where he plays now.
He seems versatile enough for either role, although I hope he develops into a box to box, goal scoring midfielder (Powell that is)
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I hoped that after Ando and Kagawa we learn our lesson not to bring a player who play behind the striker and try to play him in a deeper role.
I hoped that after Ando and Kagawa we learn our lesson not to bring a player who play behind the striker and try to play him in a deeper role.
I gather he is only playing that role at Wigan (could be wrong has I'm not fully aware where he spent most of his playing time at Crewe).
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I gather he is only playing that role at Wigan (could be wrong has I'm not fully aware where he spent most of his playing time at Crewe).
I don't mind Powell. He was bought on cheap and he was a raw talent. Unfortunately for us he's developing in the player we've already well stocked in. Tough luck. Under such circumstances if he manages to do well in a deeper role then it would be great else he'll develop as a great cover for Rooney/Kagawa in a more attacking role.
However I can't stand our constant obsession of spending millions on these type of players only to notice that we don't really them there and demand them to play out of their position or become squad players. We've wasted around 60m doing that (Fellaini, Kagawa and Ando) while players more suited to our game left for much less then that.
I don't mind Powell. He was bought on cheap and he was a raw talent. Unfortunately for us he's developing in the player we've already well stocked in. Tough luck. Under such circumstances if he manages to do well in a deeper role then it would be great else he'll develop as a great cover for Rooney/Kagawa in a more attacking role.
However I can't stand our constant obsession of spending millions on these type of players only to notice that we don't really them there and demand them to play out of their position or become squad players. We've wasted around 60m doing that (Fellaini, Kagawa and Ando) while players more suited to our game left for much less then that.
He seems veratile enough to play in both roles, which is a bonus for us. Any case, don't want to hijack this thread with talk about Powell.
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I don't mind Powell. He was bought on cheap and he was a raw talent. Unfortunately for us he's developing in the player we've already well stocked in. Tough luck. Under such circumstances if he manages to do well in a deeper role then it would be great else he'll develop as a great cover for Rooney/Kagawa in a more attacking role.
However I can't stand our constant obsession of spending millions on these type of players only to notice that we don't really them there and demand them to play out of their position or become squad players. We've wasted around 60m doing that (Fellaini, Kagawa and Ando) while players more suited to our game left for much less then that.
Can't we just embrase that he plays there. Rooney and RVP have got another 3 years.. He could well make that position his own being a 15 goal a season player.
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He seems veratile enough to play in both roles, which is a bonus for us. Any case, don't want to hijack this thread with talk about Powell.
That was my fault (the talk about Powell). I just dont see the rationale in buying Barkley (good though he is) when:
1. His best performances have come as a No.10
2. We have Powell who looks like a similar type of player.
Anyway, i like Barkley but can see him ending up in London.
I reckon Barkley is the sort of player who can adapt to a box to box role. He's young and versatile enough to do so, and shouldn't be typecast into a particular role having only just turned 20. Buying the Powells/Barkleys/Shaws of the world is a good investment for us, as they're English and likely to remain stable contributors for one club for over a decade.
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I hoped that after Ando and Kagawa we learn our lesson not to bring a player who play behind the striker and try to play him in a deeper role.
I hope that we don't bring in any player and hope he adapts to a new role. If you want cheese, buy cheese. If you want meat, buy meat.
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I reckon Barkley is the sort of player who can adapt to a box to box role. He's young and versatile enough to do so, and shouldn't be typecast into a particular role having only just turned 20. Buying the Powells/Barkleys/Shaws of the world is a good investment for us, as they're English and likely to remain stable contributors for one club for over a decade.
I like the idea of us having the best English talent. They'll want to stay with the club for a long time and you can build a strong core with them. It's something that Barca and Bayern have done albiet with superior talents. But we seem to have so far done it only in defence.
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I reckon Barkley is the sort of player who can adapt to a box to box role. He's young and versatile enough to do so, and shouldn't be typecast into a particular role having only just turned 20. Buying the Powells/Barkleys/Shaws of the world is a good investment for us, as they're English and likely to remain stable contributors for one club for over a decade.
I hope that we don't bring in any player and hope he adapts to a new role. If you want cheese, buy cheese. If you want meat, buy meat.
He wouldn't need converting. He's played that position numerous times already.
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How good a passer is he? Neat and tidy or genuinely great? I've been really impressed by his dribbling and ball control in tight spaces as well as his movement and drive. Doesn't look a midfield playmaker to me though. An AM driving forward looks his best position.
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He wouldn't need converting. He's played that position numerous times already.
But where does he play now? At his best? This is what matters not what you've seen him play before for a team that probably only played 442.
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How good a passer is he? Neat and tidy or genuinely great? I've been really impressed by his dribbling and ball control in tight spaces as well as his movement and drive. Doesn't look a midfield playmaker to me though. An AM driving forward looks his best position.
He's more Gerrard than David Silva basically.
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With Moyes at the helm, I actually think we stand a fantastic chance in getting this guy when the time comes.
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Think he could be a very good attacking midfielder, but could be a world class midfielder, possibly the best in the world. See no reason why he couldn't develop into a superior midfielder to someone like Schweinsteiger.
The reason for this is because his impact on the flow of the game IMO is a bigger strength of his than his play in the final third. While his play in the final third will improve, having a player who can bring the ball out from deep like he can with his passing range, long range shooting and his athletic capabilities which he can use in a defensive manner as time goes by is invaluable to a team.
The reason for this is because his impact on the flow of the game IMO is a bigger strength of his than his play in the final third. While his play in the final third will improve, having a player who can bring the ball out from deep like he can with his passing range, long range shooting and his athletic capabilities which he can use in a defensive manner as time goes by is invaluable to a team.
Michael Owen recently said Barkley is England's best hope of a world class player of the Rooney/Gerrard calibre.
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I hope that we don't bring in any player and hope he adapts to a new role. If you want cheese, buy cheese. If you want meat, buy meat.
my point exactly.
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Can't we just embrase that he plays there. Rooney and RVP have got another 3 years.. He could well make that position his own being a 15 goal a season player.
Can we just sort CM first? FFS we've already got 4 players who are more suited in the hole (Kagawa, Fellaini, Rooney, Powell) while our CM is in shambles. If we really want Barkley then we sell 1-4 of them and use the money to get him in.
I hope that we don't bring in any player and hope he adapts to a new role. If you want cheese, buy cheese. If you want meat, buy meat.
Exactly. I would like United to buy Barkley because English talent and all that, but I'd rather go for a proper natural central midfielder than trying to train a player in a new role. It's also one of the reasons why I don't like United, or Fergie really, trying to move Powell further back when his best attributes are as an attacking midfielder.
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With Moyes at the helm, I actually think we stand a fantastic chance in getting this guy when the time comes.
Barkley said he was very happy knowing Martinez was coming in because he knew he was going to get his chance under him. My assumption is that it sounded as if he wasn't arsed about Moyes. Just tried to look for the exact quote but gave up.
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look at the release clause in any new contract he signs. does not matter what he says...he will hardly say anything negative about his current manager.
EDIT: If Moyes wants him, he will come.
same situation as Phil Jones.
EDIT: If Moyes wants him, he will come.
same situation as Phil Jones.
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Every fecker and his dog is a no10 these days. Some of them must be capable of playing in midfield!
You're right. Barkley at this age reminds me of Keane at Forest, he played up front, centre half, midfield. Barkley like Keane looks good enough to play anywhere. Moyes should go for him and turn him into a midfield general. feck this no 10 shit.
Barkley said he was very happy knowing Martinez was coming in because he knew he was going to get his chance under him. My assumption is that it sounded as if he wasn't arsed about Moyes. Just tried to look for the exact quote but gave up.
Quite the opposite.
‘I owe (Moyes) everything. He brought me on as a player and looked after me when I had broken my leg. I was out for a while with a hernia and a broken foot, too.'
http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2013/08/barkley-i-owe-moyes-everything/#ixzz2nx6tfuOU
I don't see why anyone would expect him to hold a grudge against Moyes for loaning him out. Teenage footballer in getting loaned-out shocker! It was good for his development and he got chances under Moyes when he wasn't out on loan.
Playing him as a CM would not be playing/training him in a new role, geez, he isn't an out and out AM.
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look at the release clause in any new contract he signs. does not matter what he says...he will hardly say anything negative about his current manager.
EDIT: If Moyes wants him, he will come.
same situation as Phil Jones.
It's not the same situation as Phil Jones. Barkley is at a big club that could compete for the top 4, not relegation fodder
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