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The Neviller said:
... as if we're in some kind of competition. The other opposition fans at least have a trophy or two to point to when they big themselves up by slating us. Spurs haven't been relevant for years. You're a no mark and you support a no mark club...
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Wake up and smell the coffee sunshine. You are in some kind of competition with Spurs and others: it's called the dogfight for a top 4 finish. And there's a very good chance you'll lose that fight.

You're the type of poster who equates any kind of criticism of United with either a wind-up or a "bigging themselves up". But then you're rarely willing to engage in footballing discussion about said criticism, but respond instead with either a slew of silly personal insults or else inventions as to what the other poster has said.

Whether you like it or not, it's not Spurs - this "no mark" club - that's sitting in 9th place and effectively 8 points off 4th place.
 
He's good enough to play anywhere in and around the midfield area. Personally though, at this moment in time I see him as an attacking midfielder. Really intelligent player who can link up with midfield and create chances. Everton's set up means that he can drop a little bit deeper as well on occasions, and influence the game from there. Good passer of the ball who appears to have a drive to his game. The only thing missing from his performance against Arsenal was a goal. I remember one particular moment in the game where he played the ball to the right and didn't really attempt to get on the end of the cross that followed. That aspect of his game will improve with experience though.

As I say though, he could play in the middle if played correctly. Very intelligent player.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Wake up and smell the coffee sunshine. You are in some kind of competition with Spurs and others: it's called the dogfight for a top 4 finish. And there's a very good chance you'll lose that fight.

You're the type of poster who equates any kind of criticism of United with either a wind-up or a "bigging themselves up". But then you're rarely willing to engage in footballing discussion about said criticism, but respond instead with either a slew of silly personal insults or else inventions as to what the other poster has said.

Whether you like it or not, it's not Spurs - this "no mark" club - that's sitting in 9th place and effectively 8 points off 4th place.
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You'd have a point if this was the first season you'd come off with your shite. You had United dropping out of the top 4 last year. You weren't slow in fecking off. You've just had a bit of a longer run for your money this season so far, we'll see how long it lasts.

Get your trophies out on the table, Glaston.
 
Me personally, I'd like to see the lad stay at his boyhood club & help them onto greater things. The game needs a new challenge & a 'feck you' message to the cheque-book clubs. He'll no doubt go on to captain Everton for a long time, & he has the credentials to be an England great. Sitting on the bench at somewhere like City & Chelsea amongst a host of other potential top class players ain't going to help his development one bit. I hope he takes notice of Steven Gerrard's advice to stay at Everton.

However, if he wants to join Stevie at Anfield................:smirk:
 
The Neviller said:
You'd have a point if this was the first season you'd come off with your shite. You had United dropping out of the top 4 last year. You weren't slow in fecking off. You've just had a bit of a longer run for your money this season so far, we'll see how long it lasts.

Get your trophies out on the table, Glaston.
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im not neccesarily aiming this at glastonspur but i despise these type of people. spend 15 years consecutively predicting "this season will be the end of uniteds dominance"...blissfully ignore their boasts when united remain succesful and never acknowledge how impressive united have been for 20 years, and finally get smug when united do look like faltering. and even at that its complete short term smugness, refusing to acknowledge that possible united will sign well in january and summer and challenge again soon. football fecking idiots.
 
Sir A1ex said:
How did you work that out then?
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Man. City sit in 4th. You are 7 points behind them in 9th place, and their vastly superior GD means you'd need to make up 8 points to overtake them.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Man. City sit in 4th. You are 7 points behind them in 9th place, and their vastly superior GD means you'd need to make up 8 points to overtake them.
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In the process of them dropping 7 points and us gaining 7 points, I'd imagine our goal difference would improve.
 
newseasonticket said:
In the process of them dropping 7 points and us gaining 7 points, I'd imagine our goal difference would improve.
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Yep. But that 7 point net gain scenario is not likely to happen, being realistic about it.
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And even if it occurred, there's currently a 23 goals GD gap.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yep. But that 7 point net gain scenario is not likely to happen, being realistic about it.
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And even if it occurred, there's currently a 23 goals GD gap.
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No No 7 points is a gap nobody has ever made up never mind 8 especially since we're not even halfway through, have you not been watching Arsenal overtaking Spurs from similar distances with less to play in recent years ? Or do you just shut your eyes and imagine it didn't happen ?
 
gasmanc said:
No No 7 points is a gap nobody has ever made up never mind 8 especially since we're not even halfway through, have you not been watching Arsenal overtaking Spurs from similar distances with less to play in recent years ? Or do you just shut your eyes and imagine it didn't happen ?
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I didn't say it couldn't happen, or has never happened before, simply that it's not likely ... especially given the strength of Man. City and the weakness of United under Moyes.

You're already down 16 points on the same/equivalent matches compared to last season: a drop of more than 1 point per game! And there's plenty of signs that this drop-off is likely to get even worse.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say it couldn't happen, or has never happened before, simply that it's not likely ... especially given the strength of Man. City and the weakness of United under Moyes.

You're already down 16 points on the same/equivalent matches compared to last season: a drop of more than 1 point per game! And there's plenty of signs that this drop-off is likely to get even worse.
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Realistically, City are not dropping out of the top four. Even though Liverpool have more points, they're the side we'll be targeting to overhaul. At the moment, I'd still have us as odds on for the top four, though it's more uncomfortable than it ever has been. We need to put a run of results together - we've been saying that all season, mind.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say it couldn't happen, or has never happened before, simply that it's not likely ... especially given the strength of Man. City and the weakness of United under Moyes.

You're already down 16 points on the same/equivalent matches compared to last season: a drop of more than 1 point per game! And there's plenty of signs that this drop-off is likely to get even worse.
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We will be chasing City for the title, and as you already stated we are 7 back with a huge GD to make up, how many points we are down on last seasons haul has no bearing given the state of the challenges. Unless you trust Arsenal and Liverpool to maintain, it's a little early to be making glaringly ill founded predictions. City look in decent shape, Champion form ? Hmm a lot can change, Moyes is still calmly finding his best side and assessing its weakness and strengths much the same as his challengers managers are. 7-8 points is nothing and you know it better than anyone.
 
Hope he hangs about at Everton for a fair few years yet - especially after the false saviour Rodwell didn't pan out.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say it couldn't happen, or has never happened before, simply that it's not likely ... especially given the strength of Man. City and the weakness of United under Moyes.

You're already down 16 points on the same/equivalent matches compared to last season: a drop of more than 1 point per game! And there's plenty of signs that this drop-off is likely to get even worse.
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You probably think you come across as objective on here, but you really don't. Its why nobody ever takes you seriously.
 
Feed Me said:
Realistically, City are not dropping out of the top four. Even though Liverpool have more points, they're the side we'll be targeting to overhaul. At the moment, I'd still have us as odds on for the top four, though it's more uncomfortable than it ever has been. We need to put a run of results together - we've been saying that all season, mind.
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United are currently 2.62 (13/8) on Betfair. Liverpool are 2.04 (21/20). With Spurs at 3.5 (5/2) & Everton at 5.0 (4/1).

Of course, those odds change game by game. United have 4 very winnable league matches coming up, whilst we have 3 very tough away matches during the same period. It would be a miracle if United's odds hadn't come down significantly as we come to the end of the year. But if Spurs & Everton continue their good form, it's anyone's guess as to how the league will look on New year's Day.

I layed Liverpool for a top 4 finish for £250 after we beat West Ham on Saturday @ a price of 1.94. Our odds are obviously going to get a lot higher over the next few weeks, so it'll be a good opportunity to make an easy few quid. I don't know why, but I have a sneaky feeling that David Moyes pragmatic approach to football could lend itself to him doing well in the CL. United are currently 20/1 to win the trophy. It looks like you'll get a favourable draw in the last 16, so after that, if luck plays it's part......who knows ? I've stuck a tenner on United mainly as an insurance policy to ease the pain should you win it. Which of course would ensure you'd be back in next seasons CL, possibly at our expense. Now I think of it, I'm not sure the cushion of £200 would help ease the pain that much. I could see me putting my life savings on United should they reach the final :(
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Hope he hangs about at Everton for a fair few years yet - especially after the false saviour Rodwell didn't pan out.
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No-one with two brain cells to rub together ever bought any of the crap about Rodwell. He's always looked mediocre at best. Barkley's very obviously got more in his locker.
 
retardman5 said:
United are currently 2.62 (13/8) on Betfair. Liverpool are 2.04 (21/20). With Spurs at 3.5 (5/2) & Everton at 5.0 (4/1).

Of course, those odds change game by game. United have 4 very winnable league matches coming up, whilst we have 3 very tough away matches during the same period. It would be a miracle if United's odds hadn't come down significantly as we come to the end of the year. But if Spurs & Everton continue their good form, it's anyone's guess as to how the league will look on New year's Day.

I layed Liverpool for a top 4 finish for £250 after we beat West Ham on Saturday @ a price of 1.94. Our odds are obviously going to get a lot higher over the next few weeks, so it'll be a good opportunity to make an easy few quid. I don't know why, but I have a sneaky feeling that David Moyes pragmatic approach to football could lend itself to him doing well in the CL. United are currently 20/1 to win the trophy. It looks like you'll get a favourable draw in the last 16, so after that, if luck plays it's part......who knows ? I've stuck a tenner on United mainly as an insurance policy to ease the pain should you win it. Which of course would ensure you'd be back in next seasons CL, possibly at our expense. Now I think of it, I'm not sure the cushion of £200 would help ease the pain that much. I could see me putting my life savings on United should they reach the final :(
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:lol:

A classic case of a post beginning optimistically and then plumbing the depths of despair by the end. Football, eh?
 
Just don't see any way United and Moyes will be able to enter negotiations with Everton after the Fellaini/Baines mess. If they do, their fans will riot and considering how fecking rosy things are at Goodison, their board won't risk that.
 
Its up to Barkley. If he feels ready to move and is advised to do so by those around him, then its likely to happen - just as it did with Rooney at an even younger age.
 
I suppose the one advantage with Moyes is that he has a history with Ross & his family, perhaps that might translate into a negotiating edge. I don't know enough about the player but I do get the impression that he's quite settled there under Martinez & their new playing style
 
FCBarca said:
I suppose the one advantage with Moyes is that he has a history with Ross & his family, perhaps that might translate into a negotiating edge. I don't know enough about the player but I do get the impression that he's quite settled there under Martinez & their new playing style
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No need for him to move yet imo, like Martinez says, give him another season or two at Everton. If he ends up fulfilling his potential he will be too good for a club of Everton's stature though so will move sooner rather than later. When the time comes we will be in with a good shout if we are interested, he knows Moyes and we are the a big club who give him a chance of making lots of money and winning trophies.
 
If we make a serious approach we will get him.

We're three top signings off being very, very good again.
 
If we make a serious approach we will get him.

He's a teenager, it's more than what he wants to achieve by the end of this season or next.

Look at Rooney - it worked out pretty well for him? He's won everything at least once and made as much money as anyone in the sport pretty much in the last ten years.

We're two or three top signings off being very, very good again. I am sure we will ave money to spend this summer. Good money at that, especially when we clear some of the shit off our wage bill.

I doubt it's possible in January, but summer is very possible.

Kid is from Liverpool, he's not going to have forgotten the lure and pre$tige of Man United after 15 bad games.
 
He won't be sold for 18 months at least...we all thought we'd just have to offer everton enough and baines would be ours...they have no debt since we relieved them of fellaini and will have no need to sell...besides they have a real chance of finishing in the top 4...more of a chance than us right now
 
Ringo 07 said:
He won't be sold for 18 months at least...we all thought we'd just have to offer everton enough and baines would be ours...they have no debt since we relieved them of fellaini and will have no need to sell...besides they have a real chance of finishing in the top 4...more of a chance than us right now
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They won't be finishing in top 4. Also, they will finish below us as well.
 
Ringo 07 said:
He won't be sold for 18 months at least...we all thought we'd just have to offer everton enough and baines would be ours...they have no debt since we relieved them of fellaini and will have no need to sell...besides they have a real chance of finishing in the top 4...more of a chance than us right now
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They have a chance like all other 19 clubs in the league.

More of a chance than us right now ==>> We have played 15 games and not 35 games.
 
KingMinger22 said:
If we make a serious approach we will get him.

He's a teenager, it's more than what he wants to achieve by the end of this season or next.

Look at Rooney - it worked out pretty well for him? He's won everything at least once and made as much money as anyone in the sport pretty much in the last ten years.

We're two or three top signings off being very, very good again. I am sure we will ave money to spend this summer. Good money at that, especially when we clear some of the shit off our wage bill.

I doubt it's possible in January, but summer is very possible.

Kid is from Liverpool, he's not going to have forgotten the lure and pre$tige of Man United after 15 bad games.
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Rooney hasn't won an FA cup at United, has he?
 
GlastonSpur said:
The last player you signed from Spurs was well over 5 years ago. Things have changed: no bids from rival Prem clubs are entertained, only those from overseas clubs. Witness Modric and Bale.

Besides, if you don't make top 4 and Spurs do then the notion of "plucking" any Spurs player you want, when you want, becomes even more fanciful.

Last summer should have curbed the pretensions of United fans when it comes to your (much-reduced) pulling power ... but apparently you haven't yet gone past the denial stage, with much talk of 'biggest club in the world' and the like. Well, we'll see how well that works out if the Europa league is on offer.
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Making top 4 is irrelevant to a club like United. It is only a necessity for the likes of Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal because it contributes so significantly to their revenue stream. If Arsenal are pro-active about their commercial endeavors it won't even affect them massively in 4-5 years. Likewise making the top 4 is pretty irrelevant to what players you can sign - Man City proved that 4-5 years ago, as have Chelsea (as to some degree have Spurs bizarrely). If you think Spurs' best 7 player's won't hand in a transfer request at the prospect of their salary being doubled then you are mistaken. Levy might be stubborn and keep hold of a few unhappy players as he has in the past; he might even wait until the last minute to squeeze every last penny out of them, as he often does, or even get an extra season out of them before their contract starts running down. However until Spurs can offer their best player's a competitive salary they will leave, and Spurs are decades of Commercial growth away from being able to offer this competitive salary.

Last Summer was two naive and inexperienced professionals learning a harsh lesson. A lesson that if not learned will almost certainly result in their positions becoming untenable in the near future. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Would bringing Barkley hinder Januzaj's development? especially if we want to see Januzaj as a number 10 in the future..
 
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